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Wednesday, December 11, 2024
Law school applications are way up! Let's wait on the parade
[republished from my Substack. Subscribers welcome!]
Let the bells ring out during this holiday season . . . for American law schools. Especially those schools who fret about enrolling a sufficient number of students and, further, students whose hard and soft measures promise that they will have a good chance of succeeding. Applications are up thus far, way up, and signs point to an abundance of riches for law schools more or less across the board. Moreover, concerns about minority student enrollment, concerns turbocharged by the Supreme Court’s decision restricting the use of racial preferences, are ameliorated by the evidence (at least thus far) that minority applications are up by a considerable margin.
While this is not the space to throw cold water on what is good news for law schools in their business objectives, I urge a pause to at least warn the collective us in legal education not to fall into the too-familiar trap of seeing the currently bullish market as an excuse of complacency, as an opportunity to eschew innovation because business-as-usual apparently is meeting the tenor of the times. Let’s be clear that a run up in applications doesn’t make any serious headway in addressing persistent problems, including:
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Sticky and mainly ignored is the traditional financial aid models of law school, models that invest greatly in merit-based aid for high flyer applicants on the idea that such students will be subsidized by below-median score students who will pay full freight. More applicants might mean larger classes, greater revenue, and therefore some incentive to ameliorate the equity effects of this common form of financial aid engineering. Yet, experience tells us that law schools do not ordinarily expand meaningfully the size of their classes in order to accomplish these goals. And nowhere should this comment be read as urging law schools to necessarily do so. Size matters, and the objectives of law schools to keep their educational program sensibly organized around a certain size so as to improve faculty-student ratio and job prospects for students in a legal marketplace that, while not unpromising these days, is still basically flat at best, should be maintained to the extent possible. However, the challenge is how to address the brute inequities of a system that incentivizes these familiar cross-subsidies from the “bottom” to the “top.” Increasing law school applications shouldn’t blind law schools to the fact that current financial aid problems raise problems to be solved, not excused by the claim that “all schools basically do the same thing” and such;
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Efficiencies and innovation in pedagogy should be important goals, in both rainy and sunny times. Law school curricula continues to remain largely static. The rise of clinical education was, to be sure, an extraordinary development in legal education. But that development is a half century old and the traditional model that puts experiential education as an important complement to, but never really a substitute for, classic doctrinal instruction persists. Perhaps that is how it should be, for innovation doesn’t necessarily mean scrapping the status quo for something altogether different. Disruptive innovation isn’t measured by how many plates are broken immediately; rather, it begins with serious, intentional scrutiny — that is ideologically eclectic and evidence based — of current educational programs and structures, taking account of the rapidly changing demands of the legal marketplace. Such scrutiny should be ongoing; and it is a misnomer to put it into the bucket of episodic curricular “reform.” Reform follows assessment, and deep and broad assessment should be a core element of the ceaseless strategic planning that law schools and universities of which most are a part ought to do — not occasionally, but always. This is as true when application patterns are rosy, as when they are dire. True, big innovations in law school curricula are less necessary as part of advertising campaigns to recruit students from “boring” competitors when the applicant pool is nicely robust. But, after all, public relations is not the primary reason for reassessment and reform; the reason is that law schools aspire to be the best possible engines of coherent, socially and economically relevant, progressive, and efficient legal education. The centrality of this goal ought not to turn on one or two-year revenue projections;
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Viewed overall, law schools should not make the mistake of tying applicant eagerness (is it the Trump bump? is it economic opportunity? is law now a “hot” profession? Who knows!) to agnosticism about what they are getting from their law schools, in terms of curriculum, services, career support, ambition, etc. Two things can be true at once: More young people are motivated to apply and attend law school and, second, these same young people have high expectations and of the law schools they hope to attend. There is at least some ambient evidence that students of the present and near-future are demanding more of their educational institutions. An innovation-minded law school may not viewed best as a school that merely caters to a limited set of student expectations, but, rather, as a school that deeply considers how to create educational schemes and structures that are designed to educate in holistic, pluralistic, and pragmatic ways students who will leave and take roles and positions in the legal marketplace broadly defined, and who will, we should hope, will be attentive to the outsized influence of lawyers in the world. They will be protectors of the rule of law, instruments of justice in the trenches as well as in the meta-design of institutions and constitutional guardrails. Moreover, they should learn well in our law schools about the persistent access to justice crisis that inflicts the U.S. and should think about creative ways in their own careers to address the A2J crisis;
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All of these goals (and others that could be listed) must be considered and hopefully achieved in an ecosystem made up of individual law schools which are relentlessly innovation-minded. A temporary applicant boom should not be an excuse to take the pedal off the metal. On the contrary, while this welcome increase helps shine a spotlight on the state of law schools and, in the minds of deans and others, enables these schools to shine more brightly at least for a while, this is a golden opportunity to consider our predicaments and our promise. An innovation mindset is what is required at the very least.
Posted by Dan Rodriguez on December 11, 2024 at 02:13 PM in Daniel Rodriguez, Life of Law Schools | Permalink
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Posted by: tita | Dec 18, 2024 4:53:24 AM
Well, that didn't take long: Forbes has an article up today on Virginia Foxx's plan to repeal loan forgiveness on all loans made on or after July 1, 2024, and to ram it through conciliation so it doesn't need 60 votes in the Senate. How many law schools are warning about this, eh? No more 20 or 25 year payoff; now you will have to pay until you run out of principal and interest to pay off. Which for many will be... centuries.
Posted by: Unemployed Northeastern | Dec 13, 2024 5:22:23 PM
One wonders, given the public and repeated statements by the incoming president, leaders of the next Congress, and 8th Circuit judges that
1) GradPLUS loans should be eliminated, leaving grad students the ability to borrow only $20,000 to $30,000 a year in federal student loans, depending on which one of Virginia Foxx's plans over the last several years is adopted,
2) loan forgiveness on income-based repayment plans should be eliminated, rendering many with de facto life debts, and
3) SAVE, PSLF, PAYE, and REPAYE should be eliminated, leaving only IBR and ICR,
how many law schools are warning potential students that their financing of law school may be significantly altered while they are in law school, and their payments may be worlds higher than expected, especially if 1) is accomplished. I cannot seem to find any law school giving any sort of caution at the moment.
As an example, I see a dean from Northwestern in the comments. Northwestern Law's cost of attendance is just shy of $115,000/year at the moment, a third of the student body pays sticker per their Form 509, and even the 75th percentile discount of $40,000 only knocks the cost of attendance down to $75,000/year. If students find in a year or two that they can only borrow $30,000 in federal student loans and have to borrow the rest from Sallie Mae or the law schools' very own private student lender Access Lex / Access Group / Law Access / whatever it is calling itself this year, they will discover their student loan payments are very much higher than current law school marketing says, and they will be rather upset, to say the least. Without going to the student loan calculators, I'd ballpark that sort of total law school cost ($350,000 in total exclusive of bar exam costs and interest building in law school) as a $4,000/month minimum private student loan payment.
Meanwhile, after we adjust for inflation, the current highest market rate starting salary as enjoyed by a fairly small coterie of NYC white shoe law firms ($225,000) is less than the fairly ubiquitous market rate of $125,000 in the year 2000 ($233k and change today), to say nothing of the $160,000 starting rate in 2007 ($249k and change).
Application bump or not, law schools have two existential threats facing them - cessation of GradPLUS, cessation of income-based repayment plans in any helpful form - that I simply do not see them addressing, just as I witnessed them ignoring what became known as the Law School Crisis for roughly five or six years after it started. Those who do not learn from history...
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Thank you, Prof. Banzhaf. Wise words here from someone who has been contributing to this work for so many years. I will also note, as an additional example, our Entrepreneurship Clinic at Northwestern Law. Also engages individuals and organizations in a more collaborative, then traditional lawyer-client, framework. There are indeed many innovations underway in the experiential learning space and I didn't want to suggest otherwise. The cost structure of law schools, as Prof. B notes, raises some challenges, but these challenges need not be insurmountable.
Posted by: Dan Rodriguez | Dec 12, 2024 10:22:20 AM
Professor Rodriguez wrote: “The rise of clinical education was, to be sure, an extraordinary development in legal education. But that development is a half century old and the traditional model that puts experiential education as an important complement to, but never really a substitute for, classic doctrinal instruction persists.”
There are other problems with largely confining clinical (or experiential) legal education to designated legal clinics, so perhaps it’s time to at least consider alternatives. Here’s some ideas and a suggestion.
Because clinic courses often severely limit the number of law students each clinical professor can supervise, the cost to the law school of providing such clinical training in separate law school clinics can be very expensive if not prohibitive; a major factor which can thus prevent the expansion of existing law school clinics, or the establishment of new ones.
The supervisor-to-student ratios for clinics are often apparently kept low because of the need – growing out of ethical obligations, best-practice guidelines, etc – to protect the rights of individual clients.
Because of concerns about having clinicians overseeing too many students, a clinical professor supervising only 10 students at a time may be much more costly to the law school than a professor teaching a traditional substantive class of 100 – even if the latter’s salary is 2-3 times higher.
So why not provide clinical training which engages in real legal activities, but without the limitations of representing individual clients?
The University of Chicago Law School, for example, has established what it calls its “corporate lab” where law students work with corporation on real corporate problems and current issues. Overseen by only a small number of supervisors, some 70 law students learn how to provide client services to real clients. They also get to make invaluable contacts with many lawyers, but interact with them as legal collaborators, not as clients to be interviewed and represented.
For many years I taught a course in public interest law where I often supervised more than a dozen students a term in bringing real legal actions in their own names which often proved to be remarkably successful. The students didn’t need – and probably didn’t want – the very close type of supervision and guidance they might get in a clinic.
Instead, knowing that they were largely responsible for their own success or failure, they worked harder – as real lawyers are often forced to do – familiarizing themselves with new legal areas. The resulting feelings of satisfaction and accomplishment from their successes were all the stronger because the students proved to themselves that they were able to work largely on their own without constant oversight.
It also meant that, in addition to supervising more than 10 students in a clinical course, I was able to also teach a 4-hour substantive course in Torts during the same term; classes which could exceed 100 students.
In short, it’s apparently possible to give many more law students real world legal experience, with much lower costs because of higher supervisor-to-student ratios, simply by not having the students represent individual clients in clinics.
Posted by: LawProf John Banzhaf | Dec 12, 2024 10:06:57 AM