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Wednesday, September 28, 2022

VAPs and Fellowships 2022-2023

On this thread, comments can be shared regarding news of appointments to VAPs or similar fellowships (for example, the Climenko and Bigelow).  Here is last year's thread.

You may also add information to the spreadsheet.

Posted by Sarah Lawsky on September 28, 2022 at 03:40 PM in Getting a Job on the Law Teaching Market | Permalink


Has anyone heard of any callbacks or offers from any fellowships or VAPs, other than the ones posted in the spreadsheet? I submitted my applications relatively early in the cycle and am starting to feel worried about not hearing back from schools.

Posted by: Question | Feb 7, 2023 8:57:28 PM

Bumping to get this on the sidebar again.

Posted by: Bump | Jan 31, 2023 4:01:49 PM

Does anyone know if any of the large fellowships have started callbacks or given offers?

Posted by: Wombat | Jan 22, 2023 3:17:29 PM

Any news re Grey fellowship callbacks and timeline?

Posted by: Grey | Jan 18, 2023 3:50:01 PM

Does anyone know what the current salary is for Sharswood Fellows at Penn?

Posted by: Sharswood Q | Jan 11, 2023 1:30:49 PM

It appears that Michigan's faculty fellows program is closed. Or at the very least it's nearing the end of its selection process. I'm basing this off the fact that I received a ding in my inbox. I could be wrong, though.

Posted by: Michigan | Jan 10, 2023 2:07:45 PM

Bumping this to keep it on the sidebar.

Posted by: Bump | Dec 22, 2022 6:39:39 AM

Is it usual for the Climenko to not have any movement this late into the fall?

Posted by: Anon | Dec 12, 2022 12:03:44 PM

Just from my own experience and seeing others' - schools just outside of the elite arena (T30-T80), especially those not in highly desirable places, love the non-elite VAPs. They may not even bother bringing in the fancy fellows, because they know that these folks will have options and will go elsewhere.

Posted by: Vappola | Dec 10, 2022 2:01:36 PM


People land TT faculty jobs after non elite VAPs all the time. All. The. Time. You have to remember there are 200-something law schools. Will Stanford hire you if you went to a T-50 and then VAP at a T50-100? Probably not, unless you have other things going to you. But will schools in the T100-200 consider you seriously? Yes, likely. You’ll have the teaching experience those schools need especially. VAP at a lower-ranked school where you get solid teaching experience can mean more to some schools that care more about teaching. OTOH, this experience may mean next to nothing at higher ranked schools that only focus on scholarship. Know what you’re getting before you start a VAP. Talk to mentors who are lawprofs.

Posted by: T41 | Dec 10, 2022 11:00:46 AM

@futureprof: YMMV, but there are examples from the past few years of people who landed TT doctrinal jobs at various t100 schools who made the jump from practice with no VAP/fellowship. I know of a similar person on the market this year on track for similar success. Can’t speak to probabilities but if it’s doable to land TT with no VAP then a fancy VAP obviously isn’t necessary. That seems especially true if it remains a sellers market. I also know some people who went from government to VAP and back to government after striking out. Again not sure how common that is but I least know it has happened (I have no similar success stories for a return to big law fwiw).

Posted by: Marketgossip | Dec 10, 2022 8:14:55 AM

what are the odds of getting a tenure job from a non-top VAP/fellowship? relatedly, how difficult is it to go back to practice in biglaw for example if one does a VAP but does not get a tenure track position?

Posted by: futureprof | Dec 9, 2022 2:45:03 PM

@PhD in Law: For what its worth, my sense for the Yale PhD in law is that it is best to reach out to faculty and to secure a committee or advisor that is interested in working with you, prior to applying. If there is someone on the faculty willing to sponsor/advise you, my sense is that the application is typically successful, whereas if you apply 'cold' it is unlikely to be accepted.

Posted by: Briefly considered applying to the PhD in Law | Dec 6, 2022 11:35:57 AM

Has anyone here applied (either this year or in the past) to the Yale PhD in law? If so, care to share any details about the process and any outcomes?

Posted by: PhD in Law | Dec 5, 2022 9:47:12 AM


I have to imagine most don't place special value on having a PhD in and of itself. These programs are looking for prospective legal academics, and having a PhD doesn't inherently make someone more likely to excel in legal academia. Being that someone with a JD/PhD will typically have more academic writing under their belt than someone with just a JD, they may be more successful applicants when applying to fellowships/VAPs. But I don't think it's the PhD on its own that gets them there. I'm just one data point, but I only have a JD, and I've gotten interviews for multiple fellowships thus far. I have a decent number of publications, to be clear, but no PhD on my CV.

Posted by: Non PhD | Dec 4, 2022 11:40:11 AM

Do the fellowships/VAPs differ in the type of candidates that they are interested in? For example, does it seem like some are more interested in candidates with the PhDs?

Posted by: Elephant | Dec 3, 2022 3:02:41 PM

There's been movement with the Duke VAP. Looks like interviews have been scheduled.

Posted by: Duke | Dec 2, 2022 5:26:04 PM

Oh, gotcha! Thanks @ Quick A

Posted by: Quick Q | Nov 30, 2022 5:55:11 PM

@ Quick Q, I could be wrong, but I believe "BJB" is someone's initials, and they're using it to track which entries are theirs. I know people do this with the law review submission spreadsheets. I'd actually debated adding an initials/user column, but figured most people wouldn't want to include such information in a spreadsheet pertaining to hiring (since you never know who's viewing it).

Posted by: Quick A | Nov 30, 2022 4:47:36 PM

What does BJB stand for? (in the columns corresponding to Climenko on the spreadsheet)

Posted by: Quick Q | Nov 30, 2022 4:38:50 PM

The app is open for Liman In-Residence Fellowships at Yale: https://law.yale.edu/centers-workshops/arthur-liman-center-public-interest-law/fellowships

Posted by: poster | Nov 30, 2022 11:47:13 AM

Anyone got insider info on when there will be movement with the Climenko?

Posted by: AspiringLawProfessor | Nov 29, 2022 3:42:34 PM

@Dum Dum: I had my recommenders submit their letters directly to NYU and included a short note in my application with their names and that the letters would be forthcoming from them.

Posted by: NYU | Nov 29, 2022 1:29:09 PM

To the poster in the spreadsheet with an interview for NYU Lawyering, did you submit reference letters with your application?

Posted by: Dum Dum | Nov 28, 2022 4:50:20 PM

Just bumping this so it appears on the sidebar.

Posted by: AspiringLawProfessor | Nov 25, 2022 10:37:18 PM

I see in the spreadsheet that there's been movement with Sharswood. Is it safe to assume with academic fellowships that if you weren't contacted for interviews in the first round, that you're out of the running for the fellowship?

Posted by: Question | Nov 18, 2022 2:42:06 PM

@ck I very much agree. I took the initiative to clean up the spreadsheet with individual entries. I also deleted ones that didn't seem like entries but were instead just providing links to certain fellowships. This will hopefully provide a clearer illustration of what the current movement is (which seems to be little at the moment).

Posted by: Initiative | Nov 17, 2022 3:48:10 PM

My strong preference is that we do it individually as is done on the AALS sheet. It's much more difficult to understand timelines when they're consolidated.

Posted by: ck | Nov 17, 2022 3:33:52 PM

@Double Bubble From what I've heard, there's only one or two openings since they hired a lot of fellows last cycle. They've already been conducting some screeners too; not sure if they'll be doing more.

On another note, how is this spreadsheet organized? Are we putting in our applications individually per row like they're doing in the law school hiring spreadsheet? Or are we aggregating our information into one row each per fellowship, as done in the past?

Posted by: Columbia | Nov 17, 2022 8:29:29 AM

Does anyone know how many openings there are for the Columbia Academic Fellows program this year?

Posted by: Double Bubble | Nov 17, 2022 12:11:19 AM

I'm feeling hopeful that we'll hear about more movement this week, though I have nothing to premise that off of. Just seems unusually quiet for mid-November.

Posted by: Hopeful | Nov 14, 2022 11:34:39 AM

Hello everyone, I am chairing the selection committee for the Karsh Fellowship at the University of Virginia law school. Although the fellowship is affiliated with Karsh Center for Law and Democracy, it does not have any subject-matter focus (the research interests of our past two fellows have been internet governance, administrative law, and civil procedure). The committee will start reviewing applications next week, so please send your applications soon if you are interested. A description of the fellowship is here with application instructions: https://prawfsblawg.blogs.com/prawfsblawg/2022/09/uva-karsh-center-for-law-and-democracy-fellow-2023-2024.html
Feel free to email me if you have any questions.

Posted by: Bertrall Ross | Nov 8, 2022 11:00:07 AM

Does anyone have any information or insight as to when Climenko or Bigelow will be reaching out to applicants for interviews? Or have they done this already and I just haven't heard anything?

Posted by: AnxiousForInfo | Nov 8, 2022 10:35:27 AM

@anon Apparently they hired five last year. And so they're kinda packed at the moment.

Posted by: Followup | Nov 6, 2022 10:31:14 PM

Doesn't Columbia usually only have 2 a year?

Posted by: anon | Nov 6, 2022 9:49:51 PM

I heard through the grapevine that Columbia only has one or two academic fellow positions available this cycle.

Posted by: Marvin Gaye | Nov 6, 2022 9:31:11 PM

Apologies for the double comments earlier.

@Anon: I received the invite for a "meeting" yesterday, and I submitted my application in early September. Truthfully, I'm very unsure about what this meeting entails. Since it's not called an interview, I'm not getting my hopes super high yet. Also, Columbia says on their website that they plan to pick the academic fellows by February, so it seems like it's still very early in the process.

Posted by: ColumbiaApplicant | Oct 29, 2022 8:53:38 AM

When did the invite for the Columbia Academic fellows interview go out, and would you be able to share around when the application was submitted?

Posted by: Anon | Oct 28, 2022 8:39:07 PM

There's been movement with Columbia's Academic Fellows Program. They've invited some applications to "meetings." Seems equivalent to a screener, but who knows?

Posted by: Columbia | Oct 28, 2022 4:36:59 PM

There's been movement with Columbia's Academic Fellows Program. They sent out invites for a "meeting." Seems equivalent to a screener, but who knows?

Posted by: Columbia | Oct 28, 2022 4:35:16 PM

ALP, NYU typically starts interviews in November, but often continues to interview throughout the academic year. It's not unusual for some of the fellows in this three-year program to go on the market in their second year, but to stick around for a third year if that doesn't work out. As more of them secure their next jobs, additional fellow spots open up. With some fellows pursuing clinical or LRW careers, this process can stretch well into the spring semester.

Posted by: Former fellow | Oct 28, 2022 2:11:24 PM

@Commenter Both happy and sad to hear of no movement. I wish I understood when movement generally occurs, but resources and information are sparse. I heard some claim it begins in October but evidently that's not the case. I see last year the Climenko Fellowship did interviews in December. At this point, I regret having rushed my applications when I could have apparently spent much more time on them.

I hope more participate in this thread, despite all the spam!

Posted by: AspiringLawProfessor | Oct 27, 2022 4:20:05 PM

Hi Sarah, thanks for making and moderating this page! @AspiringLawProf, I haven't heard of any movement yet personally. Happy to post here if I do.

Posted by: Commenter | Oct 26, 2022 9:21:06 PM

Now that comments are reopened, I'll reinvoke my question below. Has anyone heard of any movement with fellowships/VAPs thus far?

Posted by: AspiringLawProfessor | Oct 25, 2022 4:22:47 PM

Sorry Sarah Lawsky, I hope my comment wasn't taken as a passive aggressive request for this thread to be posted!

I suppose I'll repeat my question here: Generally when do fellowships start reaching out to applicants about interviews? I'm trying not to be anxiously neurotic but my brain keeps telling me "Oh, you submitted a few weeks ago and have heard nothing? Rejected." However, I'm guessing hiring committees don't really look at fellowship/VAP stuff until faculty hiring is over?

Posted by: AspiringLawProfessor | Sep 28, 2022 3:47:59 PM

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