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Saturday, August 28, 2021

Law School Hiring Spreadsheet and Clearinghouse for Questions, 2021-2022

I. The Spreadsheet

In the spreadsheet, you can enter information regarding whether you have received

(a) a first round interview at a school (including the subject areas the school mentioned, if any, as being of particular interest, and whether the interview offer was accepted);

(b)  a callback from a law school and/or accepted it; or

(c) an offer from a law school and/or accepted it; feel free to also leave details about the offer, including teaching load, research leave, etc. A school listed as "offer accepted" may have made more than one offer and may still have some slots open.

Law professors may also choose to provide information that is relevant to the entry-level market.  

Anyone can edit the spreadsheet; I will not be editing it or otherwise monitoring it. It is available here:

II. The Comment Thread

In this comment thread to this post, you can ask questions about the law teaching market, and professors or others can weigh in.

Both questions and answers can be anonymous, but I will delete pure nastiness, irrelevance, and misinformation. If you see something that you know to be wrong, please feel free to let me know via email, sarah*dot*lawsky*at*law*dot*northwestern*dot*edu.

You may want to take a look at the many questions and answers in the threads from 2014-20152015-20162016-2017, 2017-2018, 2018-2019, 2019-2020, 2020-2021. In general, there's quite a cache of materials relevant to the law job market under the archive categories Getting a Job on the Law Teaching Market and Entry Level Hiring Report.

Posted by Sarah Lawsky on August 28, 2021 at 03:15 PM in Getting a Job on the Law Teaching Market | Permalink

Comments

I was on the spreadsheet when someone posted the GWU screener and several others a few weeks ago. I noticed several of the ones they posted were removed some days later.

Posted by: Anonymous | Sep 26, 2021 4:01:23 PM

I saw the GW screener on the list as well. It was there about a week ago and then quickly disappeared.

Posted by: FakeScreener2 | Sep 26, 2021 11:12:21 AM

When was it there?

Posted by: Candidate | Sep 26, 2021 10:32:27 AM

Was the GW screened removed from the list?

Posted by: Fake screeners? | Sep 26, 2021 9:37:18 AM

I received two new screening interviews this week, so things are still in play and screening interviews are definitely not done.

Posted by: Anony | Sep 25, 2021 5:16:03 PM

IF you have not heard from a school and IF you know that they have extended callbacks to people in your pool, then yes, you are likely done. Not necessarily though as the school might need to go back to the well if none of those called back work out (either because they pull out, decline the offer, or the faculty votes them unacceptable). However, I always let those who we had identified as alternates know that we could be calling them back at a later time.

Posted by: AnonHiringChair | Sep 25, 2021 2:10:27 PM

@AnxiousCandidate - Definitely not the end of the road. We had 20 screeners, we invited 8 for zoom callbacks, and we'll probably make 4 simultaneous offers. If none of our offers are taken, we will likely extend a few more callbacks in the spring. Our committee was tasked with hiring two new faculty and in all likelihood we won't stop until we succeed in doing that.

Posted by: AnonHiringComMember | Sep 25, 2021 11:37:53 AM

When a school you've interviewed with has made callback decisions and you haven't heard from them, should you assume you are out of the running with them? It's known that schools sometimes go back and do a second round of callbacks, but does that happen often or just once in a blue moon?

Posted by: AnxiousCandidate | Sep 25, 2021 10:01:32 AM

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Screening interviews are definitely still being scheduled. I've received 3 interview requests (out of 7 total, for context) in the last 48 hours.

Posted by: Anonym | Sep 21, 2021 10:36:33 AM

Thanks—would be great if it’s somewhat individualized, and I suppose it doesn’t hurt to apply and find out!

Posted by: An0nCandidate | Sep 19, 2021 6:05:45 PM

An0nCandidate, without naming the school that's hard to answer, but I'd guess it's at least somewhat targeted. I know a few other current candidates, and collectively we have gotten several of these (or analogous requests to send additional materials by email), but we don't always receive the same invites, suggesting that they are at least somewhat targeted (some maybe more narrowly than others). Thus far, some of these requests have turned into interviews and others have not.

Posted by: AnotherCandidate | Sep 19, 2021 11:57:19 AM

Did other candidates get an email from a school inviting them to apply through their hiring portal (but not extending an interview offer)? I am not sure if it is just a mass email sent to everyone or an individual expression of interest.

Posted by: An0nCandidate | Sep 19, 2021 10:41:33 AM

Not be Debbie Downer (see below!) but there really is little comfort to be had in this process. There are people (e.g., me!) who got hired after having only one screening interview, but also people who averaged 10 or more screening interviews, but didn't get an offer. There will be things about you that some schools absolutely love, while those same traits will effectively end your candidacy at other schools. When people ask me what it takes to get a TT job, I tell them you have to have the basic qualifications and then, essentially, the stars just have to align. Honestly, I think sometimes the person my faculty selected for the first offer was largely a function of the day on which we voted (as some candidates lose their luster as time goes on while others are perceived to be better over time). It's a terrible process for candidates, and there's just no escaping that.

That being said -- here's the good news. Whenever I chair appointments, I keep track of everyone we interview and, almost always, every one of those folks eventually got tenure track teaching job (although some had to repeat the cycle a few times). So if you're getting interviews, that means you're doing something right -- if this ultimately isn't your year, just keep building on those things and, odds are, it'll eventually work out.

Posted by: AnonHiringChair | Sep 18, 2021 5:05:15 PM

It's so hard to find any kind of comfort in this process; how many screeners should be enough; how many callbacks should translate into at least one offer. Everything is guesswork. How are others dealing with this challenge?

Posted by: ArmChair | Sep 18, 2021 2:04:23 PM

At my school, we interview everyone by subject matter (both laterals and entry-level) and then decide on callbacks. In years with a hiring conference, we'd do laterals via Zoom in the weeks leading up to the conference and then entry-level at the conference. This year, we're doing both together via Zoom.

The only time we'd separate them out is if we're only hiring for entry level or lateral (but, of course, in that case wouldn't even interview the other group).

Posted by: AnonHiringChair | Sep 17, 2021 5:17:50 PM

Based on the spreadsheet, looks like most appointments committees start with entry-levels before moving to laterals. Right interpretation? Not sure if silence at this point means lateral-ing unlikely this cycle.

Posted by: lateralcurious | Sep 17, 2021 4:53:39 PM

Based on the spreadsheet, looks like most appointments committees start with entry-levels before moving to laterals. Right interpretation? Not sure if silence at this point means lateral-ing unlikely this cycle.

Posted by: lateralcurious | Sep 17, 2021 4:53:39 PM

@anon - "Has anyone gotten new screener invites in the last few days?"

I just got screening invites from two T30 schools on Wednesday, several days (perhaps even a week) after other candidates had listed both schools on the spreadsheet. So that leads me to believe that some schools are organizing interviews according to subject area, or committee members are reaching out at different times. Or other factors are at play. All that is to say keep the faith and that I don't think we should over-interpret the spreadsheet (even though it's hard not to!).

Posted by: An0n4 | Sep 17, 2021 1:02:20 PM

FWIW - last year I had a dozen screening interviews, but they were as early as August and as late as (I kid you not) March. Hopefully this year won't be quite as disorganized but...who knows. This year I only have one interview scheduled so far, but I'm also not competitive for a first-tier position, so I'm not too concerned...yet.

Posted by: khan | Sep 17, 2021 12:32:23 PM

I'm sure there are some committees who have not gotten their act together enough yet to schedule first round interviews, but I would hope that number is quite small. Without a hiring conference and so many schools already interviewing (some even scheduling callbacks already), schools that haven't started yet are very much at risk of missing out. I would be shocked to learn that there's a committee out there that has consciously decided to wait.

Posted by: AnonHiringChair | Sep 17, 2021 10:55:20 AM

@An0nCandidate I mean, if the spreadsheet is accurate, UCLA, Michigan, Alabama, Boston College, Georgetown, Penn just to name a few T30 schools, have all sent out their screeners. I have to believe we are getting down to the last few schools in terms of screening interviews. I know people don't want to hear that (I know I don't).

Of course, the spreadsheet may be inaccurate. Cornell is listed as entry, but I have reason to believe they are focusing on laterals only this year. But you know, there are hiring chairs that pop into this conversation and watch the spreadsheet too. At this point, I think it's unrealistic to expect to receive more than one or two more screening interviews, which sucks (for me too), but that's life.

Posted by: anotheranoncandidate | Sep 17, 2021 10:44:35 AM

Also, the meat market wouldn't even normally start for about another 3 weeks. Yes, the timing of the market is a bit different this year because it is all virtual, but I think we are still in early days (...I hope at least!)

Posted by: An0nCandidate | Sep 17, 2021 10:25:45 AM

@anon, no, I don’t get the feeling that all initial interviews have been scheduled. Particularly at T30 schools, who have the luxury of waiting to schedule interviews since they know applicants will wait for them (if they can).

Posted by: An0ncandidate | Sep 17, 2021 10:18:02 AM

My school is interviewing between 15-20 per slot this year given that the absence of a conference frees up more time (but normally it would be in the 6-10 range). Also, for the two positions we have, we have contacted everyone we'd like to interview for one of the subject areas, but not the other one just yet (although we have identified those folks -- we're just trying to find time to schedule the interviews). To my surprise, none of those 15+ people we've already contacted has reported their interview on the spreadsheet. This leads me to believe there are many more schools that have scheduled interviews than are being reported here (as I am sure most of the people we are interviewing have multiple interviews, and if they aren't sharing news of ours, they probably aren't sharing news of any).

Posted by: AnonProf | Sep 17, 2021 9:00:13 AM

No, not all screening interviews are scheduled. I am sure of this.

Posted by: InartfulDrafter | Sep 17, 2021 8:56:55 AM

So, do folks get the sense that all initial screeners have now been scheduled? I'm lucky to have had some interest, though I had hoped to get a few bites from T30 schools, which I gather are probably not coming this late in the game. Has anyone gotten new screener invites in the last few days?

Posted by: anon | Sep 17, 2021 8:32:25 AM

"At mine, it's about 6-10 per opening."

I'm at a T30 school and we invited 20 for preliminary screeners. We will invite more later in the fall if we feel it necessary to secure two hires as we plan to do this cycle. We are doing them via zoom and have simply crammed 10 interviews each day in two days, with the interviews being a week apart. We have already started to invite some for job talks, which will also be via zoom. Hopefully this information is helpful to some on here.

Posted by: T30ApptComMember | Sep 17, 2021 7:09:38 AM

@AnonymouSouth - so now the ultimate meta question, does your thank you post here requires a response? I guess I just gave one.

Posted by: ThankYouResponses | Sep 17, 2021 7:05:18 AM

@anon thank you.

Posted by: AnonomouSouth | Sep 15, 2021 2:33:20 PM

@AnonymouSouth - no, not at all. Some folks are really overwhelmed. Some folks are really flaky. Some folks just might not think that a 'thank you' email needs a response. There are a lot of reasons why a chair might not respond to your thank-you email, and feeling disfavor to your candidacy is probably relatively low on that list.

Posted by: anon | Sep 14, 2021 9:16:33 PM

Is it a bad indication of the prospects if the Chair does not respond to your email of thanks, after the screening interview?

Posted by: AnonymouSouth | Sep 14, 2021 7:21:25 PM

"At mine, it's about 6-10 per opening."

That is the same range for our school. In days of the Marriott Wardman in DC first round numbers may have been a bit bigger because might as well interview the full days if you are in DC anyway and they are too. Now its harder to find times committee is free, and you can always interview more if the initial set doesn't work out so some committees can think of it as more rolling interviews and less 1 and done the way DC happened.

Posted by: Confirming Numbers | Sep 14, 2021 7:11:34 PM

"At mine, it's about 6-10 per opening."

I wonder how common that is. It seems low. If this is true and schools invite 3-4 candidates per opening for a callback, then that's one callback for every 2 or 3 initial interviews. I thought callbacks are harder to come by than that, are they not?

Posted by: AnotherCandidate | Sep 14, 2021 6:55:36 PM

No no, my fault - sorry, it's a stressful process. Thank you, truly, to those on the inside who are sharing insights

Posted by: Anon with the Wind | Sep 14, 2021 4:18:43 PM

I’m sorry for my lack of clarity. I meant the spreadsheet listing the hiring committees. I just meant we have a committee but haven’t made any calls yet. We aren’t listed on this spreadsheet. I was just trying to say some schools are moving slowly.

Posted by: InartfulDrafter | Sep 14, 2021 3:41:04 PM

Yes, I didn't read that as accusing someone of lying.

Posted by: AnonHiringChair | Sep 14, 2021 2:18:12 PM

I think HiringCommitteeMember was referring to the other spreadsheet on this website (listing hiring committees for this cycle), not the spreadsheet on this precise webpage (listing interviews).

Posted by: An0nCandidate | Sep 14, 2021 2:14:53 PM

I think the most you can do is email the hiring chair and say something like "I've been honored to receive a few invitations, but I am particularly interested in your school because . . ." I think mentioning school names is a bit gross. And if you're already appealing to higher ranked schools, the only reason you might not have been contacted by the lower ranked school is that they think you're out of their league. If so, the value in contacting these chairs will be to share your particular interest in that school (not so much who else wants to interview you). Just some thoughts.

Posted by: AnonHiringChair | Sep 14, 2021 2:11:49 PM

Thank you, members of hiring committees, for weighing in - some small light in this vast opaque process. If I read the most recent comment correctly, there are schools listed on the spreadsheet who have not actually invited anyone for an interview.... boggles the mind that anyone would be dishonest...

In any event, I'll re-up an earlier question from another poster: "Is there any way to leverage the interest I am receiving from higher-ranked schools that would be tough for me geographically to get interviews from lower-ranked schools that are hiring in my fields in locations that work better for me?"

Posted by: Anon with the Wind | Sep 14, 2021 2:06:02 PM

I'm on a hiring committee that's listed on the spreadsheet. We haven't even invited people for first round interviews yet. Some schools are moving fast, but at least some (like mine) are on a schedule that's much more similar to previous years.

Posted by: HiringCommitteeMember | Sep 14, 2021 1:42:04 PM

An0nCandidate - I can relate. I did not get any response so far either. The law schools looking to hire in my field are not on the spreadsheet, so maybe there is still hope.

Posted by: Me | Sep 14, 2021 1:37:37 PM

Would be nice if folks mentioning their callbacks in the comment thread would put them on the spreadsheet.

Posted by: Anonym | Sep 14, 2021 1:08:47 PM

Thanks for the feedback regarding initial interviews, AnonHiringChair. And point taken, Anon, regarding different schools doing different things.

Seeing people on this website who already have callbacks can be a bit nerve wracking. Just sharing that for others who might feel the same way (you are not alone!). I think some schools are really just getting started with the process though.

Posted by: An0nCandidate | Sep 14, 2021 12:36:26 PM

One school gave me a choice, and the other is only doing virtual. Personally, while I think in-person would be better, given the global pandemic, virtual is the safer option.

Posted by: Another candidate | Sep 14, 2021 12:08:11 PM

One callback so far and that school gives candidates a choice.

Posted by: AnonCandidate2 | Sep 14, 2021 11:56:04 AM

Another candidate,

Interesting that you have two virtual callback interviews. Did you have a choice? Would you have preferred in-person, or do you appreciate the convenience of virtual? I would love the opinions of other candidates as well.

Posted by: anon | Sep 14, 2021 11:25:22 AM

I have two callbacks scheduled so far, and they both are virtual. I cannot speak to what other schools are doing, of course. Also, how many screening interviews and callbacks should someone hope for? I am still doing screening interviews while also beginning to schedule callbacks.

Posted by: Another candidate | Sep 14, 2021 9:30:34 AM

Yes, individual committee members often come in to interviews with favorites, but very, VERY frequently the interviews change things.

For my group, once we've interviewed all we plan to interview, we vote on callbacks. Doesn't have to be unanimous although we talk about it a lot in an attempt to try and reach consensus. We are also mindful (as are many schools who are not T30 I would imagine) of who we can realistically get. You get a sense of who is super hot in the market (based on candidate credentials and the number of schools hiring for that subject), and we don't want too many of those folks in our pool as we could very well lose the entire pool if they all take jobs elsewhere. So we tend to invite back 3-4 for each position, only inviting back those we think are excellent, but mindful of populating the pool with folks we we could realistically hire. We tend to have a couple alternates for each position should we need to call back more folks (and, yes, we tend to let those folks know they are alternates once interviews are over).

The people who stand out for us are those who seem to enjoy scholarship and are good it, but who are also passionate and thoughtful about teaching. On that topic, some schools will spend the entire time discussing your scholarship, but others schools (like mine) will have 1-2 questions about your articles -- thus, don't expect to just give your job talk for the entire 30 minutes. A good personality certainly goes a long way, and we are super sensitive to those who appear arrogant or elitist. We are also paying a lot attention to whether the candidate seems to have a genuine interest in us. Also, appearing disrespectful to any member of the committee (including the student rep.) will be an instant dealbreaker no matter how great the credentials of the candidate (I've seen quite a few male candidates consistently interrupt the female members of the committee and, in answering questions, only look at the male committee members). Oh, and subject matter fit is key -- if the interview reveals that your interests lie somewhere other than the thing we're hiring for, that typically will result in a no vote (thus make sure you know why they are interviewing you beforehand).

And I would imagine schools will do different things with call backs. I get the impression most are planning in-person though (we are), but of course in these times things can change quickly.

I'm sure others do things differently and/or will disagree, but I present this as what one school does in an attempt to be helpful.

Posted by: AnonHiringChair | Sep 14, 2021 9:24:33 AM

Are schools doing in-person or virtual callbacks? If in-person are they requiring vaccines if school otherwise has a vaccine mandate?

Posted by: Anon Candidate | Sep 14, 2021 8:29:03 AM

The answer is yes. There are so many ways that schools work, that votes fall, and that define who gets hired that trying to game it is futile. Just do the best you can do, present your ideas the best you can, and let the chips fall as they may.

Posted by: Anon | Sep 13, 2021 10:06:02 PM

Would love to hear about that, too.

Posted by: AnonCandidate2 | Sep 13, 2021 8:10:18 PM

For those on hiring committees: It would be great to hear some of you explain the process from your side. Do you typically come into interviews knowing who your "favorite" candidates are? Do candidates typically need a unanimous vote to progress to the callback stage? What makes a candidate stand out (either in a good or bad way) during a screener interview?

Posted by: An0nCandidate | Sep 13, 2021 7:09:07 PM

Hiring chair here. Due to logistics we are not scheduling all the interviews at once. We are doing in waves by subject area. So at least in some places not hearing anything doesn't mean you won't. Our interviews will likely be a few weeks apart just for logistics. AALS used to be second week of October, so spreading out interviews between now and then. Hope that helps.

Posted by: Anon | Sep 13, 2021 6:52:05 PM

And then, what, about 3 callback candidates per opening?

Posted by: Anon Candidate | Sep 13, 2021 6:07:53 PM

Thanks for responding. That is a smaller number than I expected.

Posted by: AnonCandidate2 | Sep 13, 2021 6:07:09 PM

At mine, it's about 6-10 per opening.

Posted by: AnonHiringChair | Sep 13, 2021 5:56:17 PM

How many candidates do schools typically invite for initial screeners?

Posted by: AnonCandidate2 | Sep 12, 2021 7:22:54 PM

I'm just a candidate, so what do I know, but in one instance I got an interview with a school and heard that a whole separate round of invites went out about a week later. I think in that case the hiring committee looked separately at groups of candidates in different fields. I don't know how typical that is.

Posted by: AnonCandidate | Sep 12, 2021 5:48:15 PM

There is no way to answer that question as different schools will do different things (especially this year). I would imagine that most schools will identify a pool and then contact all those folks, hopeful that they'll have a critical mass of folks in there that they feel good about pursuing (typically, schools call back 3-4 people for each opening). But some committees don't have the same person contact everyone, instead dividing up the group among the committee. If so, some committee members are faster than others to reach out to those assigned to them. I would guess that if you see a school listed on the spreadsheet, and you haven't heard back within a week or so, you are likely done there.

However, all bets are off this year given the lack of an actual conference to anchor timelines.

Posted by: AnonHiringChair | Sep 12, 2021 3:42:35 PM

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