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Sunday, October 04, 2020

VAPs and Fellowships: Open Thread, 2020-2021

On this thread, comments can be shared regarding news of appointments to VAPs or similar fellowships (for example, the Climenko and Bigelow).  Here is last year's thread.

You may also add information to the spreadsheet.

Posted by Sarah Lawsky on October 4, 2020 at 02:29 PM in Getting a Job on the Law Teaching Market | Permalink


yes it is not uncommon not to get rejections. I did not get rejections even from On campus interviews and AALS ones.

Posted by: anon | Jul 14, 2021 1:47:09 PM

Did anyone ever hear back from Climenko? Clearly they’ve finished hiring, but it seems odd that they didn’t even send out form rejection emails. At least every other program notified applicants. Is that their normal practice?

Posted by: Anon | Jul 13, 2021 9:37:07 AM

I see that the Grey website has not been updated with application dates for the next year (2022-2023). Does anyone know if this means that there aren’t any spots open and they won’t be accepting applications this year (August 2021) or if the website is usually not updated yet at this time of the year?

Posted by: Anon | Apr 17, 2021 9:30:16 PM

To the person who posted about the Climenko interview/offer in March, that seems like a speedy turnaround. Did you have an offer elsewhere? And any update from the December interviewer? Wondering if they're generally making offers or if this was some kind of special situation.

Posted by: anon | Apr 13, 2021 2:19:46 PM

@anon: Grey poster here. I accepted; I believe a second spot is still unfilled.

Posted by: Grey poster | Apr 12, 2021 9:47:48 PM

To the poster who got the Grey offer in March, did you accept? Have all open positions now been filled?

Posted by: Anon | Apr 12, 2021 9:32:51 PM

Anecdotally know of at least one Climenko offer being extended, and accepted, in the last month or so.

Posted by: anon | Apr 6, 2021 8:50:41 AM

Still no updates from the Climenko or the Grey? Any idea what the hold-up might be?

Posted by: anon | Mar 31, 2021 8:53:35 PM

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Posted by: Maryland Carey Law | Mar 23, 2021 5:17:15 PM

Have we still heard of no Climenko offers?

Posted by: Anon | Mar 11, 2021 8:31:39 AM

Not the same person who wrote the below message, but I don't think you should assume that no word yet = no. In past years, some of these fellowships have waited until this late before sending first interview invitations. And this year is likely even slower both because of slow/delayed hiring of current fellows (as already mentioned) and also because of the added stress and time constraints the professors and administrators are under dealing with this covid semester and planning for whatever the next school year is going to look like. It's fair to feel a bit less optimistic, but it's completely possible that schools are just delaying/going slower on conducting interviews and that more interviews are coming.

Posted by: anon | Feb 23, 2021 4:10:26 PM

a non below - that makes sense, but we can assume if we haven’t had an interview that it’s a no in any event, yes?

And while the point about patience is well-taken, unfortunately for all candidates patience isn’t equally an option; that requires a degree of privilege and flexibility that all folks simply don’t have. I get that the process (especially this year) is not the typical job application process, but the notion that there could routinely be six months between application and virtually any news - even a courtesy “no” - is a bit shocking for the uninitiated, I think.

Posted by: Anon | Feb 23, 2021 6:54:02 AM

Most of these fellowship and VAP applications are managed by the school's legal writing supervisor or by some professor tasked to chair a committee. I do think it's fairly standard for programs to send out rejections, but the nature of their management means this side of things tends to be pretty ad hoc and can vary widely from program-to-program and year-to-year.

This year, my strong suspicion is that the pandemic has dramatically uprooted the hiring plan at most schools. There are numerous fellows who have not gotten tenure-track jobs but who may still, and numerous schools looking at hiring freezes and other issues with hiring even for those spots that are available. It's too early to give up on a fellowship/VAP. In a standard year, there will generally be several spots filled after this point, and this is not a standard year. Given that law school applications look good, my expectation is that there will be some Spring tenure-track hiring and, separately, some Spring loosening of hiring freezes for fellows/VAPs. Together, I would expect these to result in a somewhat higher number of Spring VAP/fellow hires than is typical.

This process is crappy. I know it's not easy, but my advice to aspiring candidates is for patience.

Posted by: a non | Feb 22, 2021 4:32:55 PM

Is it normal for these fellowships to never send out a mass rejection letter to let everyone know they've heard, because that appears to be what's taking place this year...

Posted by: Silence | Feb 22, 2021 3:21:41 PM

I interviewed with Climenko in December but still haven't heard back so not sure if they're still interviewing or if I didn't make the cut.

Posted by: anon | Feb 22, 2021 11:00:58 AM

I just added info about my Bigelow ding after a screener and callback. For what it's worth, I've heard nothing from Climenko.

Posted by: better late than never | Feb 22, 2021 9:19:14 AM

I find it very hard to believe that no one has heard anything from Climenko and Bigelow. If you’ve heard anything, please speak up. I’m assuming it’s a ding at this point but would prefer to know more concretely.

Posted by: anon | Feb 21, 2021 11:26:27 PM

Grey rejection anon: permission to fill in the "interview" cell on the spreadsheet with the info you provided? (for posterity when future generations want to learn about the great hiring freeze of 2021)

Posted by: anon | Feb 21, 2021 8:05:06 PM

Anon below - the Grey rejection was after a faculty interview in January. The screening interview was before the New Year.

Posted by: Anon | Feb 21, 2021 2:19:58 PM

Grey interviewee anon—if I may ask, was the rejection after a screening interview? A faculty interview?

Posted by: Anon | Feb 21, 2021 1:04:43 AM

has anyone had an interview for Climenko or Bigelow?

Posted by: anon | Feb 20, 2021 5:21:10 PM

Anon below - thanks for confirming re: Grey being post-interview. Looks like they just haven't sent out mass rejections yet, then.

Posted by: anon | Feb 20, 2021 5:03:24 PM

I’m yesterday’s Grey rejection. It was post-callback. Interview was in January. Rejection was in response to a follow-up email.

Posted by: Anon | Feb 20, 2021 4:33:58 PM

The Yale PhD in law program is at a standstill right now. Not typical PhD enrollment rates. One student every couple of years at this point (even though it’s new).

Posted by: Yale PhD | Feb 19, 2021 10:37:28 PM

It says Grey Fellowship in the spreadsheet...

Posted by: anon | Feb 19, 2021 4:58:09 PM

Stanford has several more specialized fellowships. Was this rejection definitely for the Grey? (It doesn’t say).

Posted by: Anon | Feb 19, 2021 4:42:57 PM

Anon below - I'm the first anon asking about the Grey rejection today - and yes, that was exactly my question, as it does seem odd for rejections to go out before reports of any interviews or callbacks.

Posted by: anon | Feb 19, 2021 4:32:53 PM

Has Grey Fellowship had callbacks or even first interviews?

Posted by: anon | Feb 19, 2021 4:21:28 PM

Was the Grey rejection today pre or post-callback?

Posted by: anon | Feb 19, 2021 2:46:51 PM

I've had some developments to my resume since I applied in October (a different live in COVID world) including a publication being finalized and a new one being picked up at a flagship. Is it worth emailing the big fellowships that appear to maybe still be hiring?

Posted by: Anon | Feb 16, 2021 1:26:29 PM

I don't think it could hurt.

Posted by: Fellow | Feb 12, 2021 12:59:53 PM

I've started applying broadly to non-academic positions given the absolute silence I've heard from fellowships, and am coming up on interviews with those places; not to put the horse before the cart, but in the event I get an offer from some other place, does it make sense to e-mail fellowship boards and ask for the status/indicate that I've received offers elsewhere, but my first choice would be said fellowship? I'm not sure of the proper protocol -- would love any thoughts.

Posted by: anonymous | Feb 12, 2021 11:33:50 AM

Wow. I can't believe you haven't heard back even to direct e-mail responses.

Posted by: anon | Feb 4, 2021 3:11:41 PM

Has anyone on here applied to Yale's PhD in Law? If so have you seen or heard of any first or secondhand movement?

Posted by: Anon | Feb 4, 2021 12:16:17 PM

I've emailed a few and not even gotten a response back. Make of that what you will.

Posted by: anon | Feb 4, 2021 11:53:11 AM

Has anyone e-mailed committees besides NYU to see the status of hiring? Would like to know if now's a good time to start the alternative job search...

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Posted by: Current WIII Fellow - @M_Karanicolas | Jan 23, 2021 11:30:54 AM

The below poster is correct that some fellowships went well into the spring before they completed hiring last year. It is way too early to assume that if one has not heard yet, then they are not in the running for anything.

Posted by: AnonAnon | Jan 21, 2021 10:38:28 AM

I have heard that at least a few of the big name fellowships went well into the spring for hiring last year, even before COVID was a major concern. And it'll undoubtedly be even slower this year, so wouldn't get stressed out or give up hope just yet.

Posted by: anon | Jan 20, 2021 6:26:34 PM

I know that at least one Sharswood rejection was received via email, unsolicited. Has anyone emailed Climenko/Bigelow/Grey/etc. and heard anything? I can understand not sending out the mass rejections yet, but total silence seems odd (even for COVID times).

Posted by: Anon | Jan 20, 2021 12:53:08 PM

Any details on how the sharswood and georgetown rejections were received? Were these unsolicited emails or responses to direct inquiries?

Posted by: anon | Jan 19, 2021 2:29:56 PM

Does anyone know if Columbia has any plans to lift their hiring freeze this year? Or is that a lost cause?

Posted by: Anon | Jan 15, 2021 9:29:48 AM

I’ve heard radio silence on the Grey. No idea if they’re actually hiring.

Posted by: Anon | Jan 15, 2021 7:02:20 AM

I'm the one that updated the spreadsheet re NYU. And yes, what happened is that I emailed asking for a status update, and they said they were done hiring...the usual stuff about many great candidates and only a few slots etc. etc. So apparently they're not informing unlucky applicants en masse, or just haven't gotten around to it yet. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

Posted by: nyu_sadness | Jan 15, 2021 12:17:58 AM

in same boat with NYU. Thinking either that info is wrong or that person emailed directly and was told they're done, but they just haven't sent a mass email.

Posted by: anon | Jan 14, 2021 11:42:47 PM

Has anyone heard back from Stanford about the Grey fellowship? Are they even hiring this year?

Posted by: anon | Jan 14, 2021 10:18:50 PM

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Posted by: Andrew Jennings | Jan 13, 2021 2:28:54 PM

From the spreadsheet NYU appears to have finished hiring but having applied I have yet to receive any indication that's the case. Is anyone else in that boat?

Posted by: Anon | Jan 13, 2021 1:41:04 PM

I just wish we had any idea of *how* delayed things will be — would love some guidance as to when it’s time to pack up hope and find alternative plans!

Posted by: anonymous | Jan 13, 2021 1:29:52 PM

TT hiring is happening later this year than in previous years. This is likely going to push back the timelines for fellowship hiring because they can only replace the fellows who get jobs or otherwise leave the fellowship.

Posted by: AnonAnon | Jan 11, 2021 1:14:58 PM

At what point should those of us waiting on the usual suspects (Climenko, Bigelow, etc.), who have heard nothing, assume it's a no? I would assume that in the normal course, that would be about now (if not earlier), but does anyone know if the pandemic has changed the calculus? The status of the board -- with nothing reported yet for any of these except the Sharswood/NYU lawyering -- is also throwing me off...

Posted by: anonymous | Jan 11, 2021 12:17:55 PM

Anon - I’ve only gotten the what I assume is an auto-email referenced below for the Climenko and haven’t heard anything from Bigelow. Not that it means interviews haven’t begun, but if they have, I’m in the dark, too.

Posted by: Anonymous | Dec 26, 2020 1:35:37 PM

Any word on Climenko/Bigelow?

Posted by: Anon | Dec 23, 2020 5:38:58 PM

At this point, should we assume nothing will move until spring on the Climenko/Bigelow/etc. front?

Posted by: anon | Dec 14, 2020 3:48:32 PM

NYU has done some interviews, but I don't know if they have made any offers.

Posted by: NYU | Dec 8, 2020 3:39:15 PM

FWIW, I received and email from Climenko at the end of October saying that the application was missing some document (that I don't think was required in the online application) and that "We are in the process of reviewing applications and will be conducting interviews throughout the fall. We hope to have the process completed by early 2021." Otherwise radio silence on all fronts.

Posted by: SoBad | Dec 8, 2020 3:01:52 PM

Anyone heard back from the NYU program?

Posted by: nyu_curious | Dec 7, 2020 11:32:58 AM

Fellowship folks who are waiting, or anyone remotely connected to the process: does anyone have any sense, even the vaguest idea, of when we can anticipate things may start moving?

Posted by: Anon | Dec 1, 2020 10:42:02 AM

Anon below - FWIW, I haven’t yet heard from sharswood/bigelow/Climenko.

Posted by: Anon2 | Nov 27, 2020 2:45:52 PM

Still silence from Bigelow, Climenko and Sharswood, or is the spreadsheet just not being updated?

Posted by: anon | Nov 24, 2020 2:26:57 PM

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