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Friday, August 28, 2020

Law School Hiring Spreadsheet and Clearinghouse for Questions, 2020-2021

I. The Spreadsheet

In the spreadsheet, you can enter information regarding whether you have received

(a) a first round interview at a school (including the subject areas the school mentioned, if any, as being of particular interest, and whether the interview offer was accepted);

(b)  a callback from a law school and/or accepted it; or

(c) an offer from a law school and/or accepted it; feel free to also leave details about the offer, including teaching load, research leave, etc. A school listed as "offer accepted" may have made more than one offer and may still have some slots open.

Law professors may also choose to provide information that is relevant to the entry-level market.  

Anyone can edit the spreadsheet; I will not be editing it or otherwise monitoring it. It is available here:

II. The Comment Thread

In this comment thread to this post, you can ask questions about the law teaching market, and professors or others can weigh in.

Both questions and answers can be anonymous, but I will delete pure nastiness, irrelevance, and misinformation. If you see something that you know to be wrong, please feel free to let me know via email, sarah*dot*lawsky*at*law*dot*northwestern*dot*edu.

You may want to take a look at the many questions and answers in the threads from 2014-20152015-20162016-2017, 2017-2018, 2018-2019, and 2019-2020. In general, there's quite a cache of materials relevant to the law job market under the archive categories Getting a Job on the Law Teaching Market and Entry Level Hiring Report.

Posted by Sarah Lawsky on August 28, 2020 at 04:32 PM in Getting a Job on the Law Teaching Market | Permalink

Comments

Anyone has news on Georgia re callbacks?

Posted by: UGA | Nov 25, 2020 12:24:44 PM

Three weeks is not an unreasonable time between a callback and a faculty vote, especially if you are the first of three or four candidates to visit the school for a callback. Most schools don't schedule more than two callbacks per week and most do only one. A callback is a lot to ask from the faculty.

It is perfectly ok to ask the chair about the timeline and when do they expect to have a vote. The first offer goes out shortly after the faculty votes.

Posted by: anon | Nov 23, 2020 10:29:20 PM

@aftercallbacks: should you reach out to the committee and ask for update on the process?

Posted by: email them | Nov 23, 2020 10:18:14 PM

When does hiring activity pause for the year? Committees stop meeting. Central admin stops processing. At some point, candidates can expect no movement until the new year, right ? When would that be?

Posted by: Holiday | Nov 23, 2020 3:35:16 PM

Which school, Careful?

Posted by: Iowa? | Nov 22, 2020 5:30:10 PM

There's information here about one school's process that I know to be at a minimum misleading and overstated. I recommend not taking everything here at face value.

Posted by: Careful | Nov 22, 2020 5:20:31 PM

How soon after a callback should you expect an offer to be made? I’ve been waiting 3 weeks on one, so I’m assuming they made an offer by now. They haven’t rejected me though, so maybe I’m still a backup while they’re waiting for their first choice candidate to confirm?

Good luck to everyone else still on the market right now. It’s nerve-wracking!

Posted by: After Callbacks | Nov 22, 2020 4:57:59 PM

Iowa is done with hiring

Posted by: Iowa | Nov 22, 2020 11:34:41 AM

How long between application and callback do people tend to wait?

Posted by: Pinocchio | Nov 22, 2020 8:34:34 AM

@Negotiations - yes salaries are mostly set in stone (with rare exceptions) at these schools — and in some cases even publicly accessible — but the dean might have some flexibility when it comes to the summer stipend or the research budget or the tenure clock or spousal hire so there can definitely be ways for you to negotiate other aspects of the offer that translate into dollar figures.

Posted by: Prof | Nov 21, 2020 7:17:12 PM

Getting back to the original question, can one really negotiate her compensation in a public university? I would imagine salaries are set in stone...

Posted by: Negotiations | Nov 20, 2020 8:37:43 PM

How are you guys hearing which schools have given offers? Through the grapevine? Or are you asking schools directly? Thanks!

Posted by: Silence | Nov 19, 2020 12:31:17 AM

Mitchell Hamline and St Johns have both sent out emails that they've successfully completed their searches.

Posted by: @Offer_talks | Nov 18, 2020 4:19:59 PM

@Offer_talks, could you share with us which schools have told you they've completed their searches?

Posted by: anonymouse | Nov 18, 2020 3:59:34 PM

@Ambiguity_Tho, that is a fair point during a healthy market. However, in this market the very small number of jobs available due to Covid, the new priorities schools might have due to this year's political climate, and the number of candidates, I suspect schools won't have trouble filling spots and likely needing to do second rounds of callbacks. I agree there is ambiguity in seeing offers extended but I think far far less than on a regular hiring cycle.

P.S. I've received emails from schools in the 100+ ranking that they've completed their search successfully, something that I understand usually doesn't happen this early (but it's my first time on the market so no direct experience)

Posted by: @Offer_talks | Nov 18, 2020 3:32:42 PM

@Offer_talks

Some schools are hiring for more than one role. Also, people turn down offers all the time. Seeing an “offer made” on a spreadsheet doesn’t mean that much. Occasionally a search will not pan out until spring (or never), if there’s never a good fit, even if a school makes multiple offers. All you can know if offers were made is that the school has completed an initial round of callback interviews, and you were not selected for an offer or selected for that round.

Posted by: Ambiguity Tho | Nov 18, 2020 3:04:19 PM

A lot of talk about negotiating offers but not much reflected on the sheet. If you already have an offer and thus reliance interest you have nothing to lose by signaling to the rest of us that a search is mostly over (unless you decide to turn down the offer). Sharing is caring particularly in this messed up market this year.

Posted by: Offer_talks | Nov 18, 2020 2:47:05 PM

From your experience, can you really negotiate your compensation in a public university after receiving an offer?

Posted by: Negotiations | Nov 18, 2020 1:50:13 PM

Has anybody heard back from Wisconsin or know if they've scheduled callbacks?

Posted by: Wisconsin | Nov 15, 2020 9:28:08 PM

There is so much advice out there on about the job talk, but almost none for the other portions of the call back interview. Does anyone have advice for meeting with student leaders and the one-on-one with the Dean?

Posted by: Aspiring | Nov 14, 2020 9:56:49 PM

"Is it reasonable in your opinion to ask the law school to take classes (related to your field) for a graduate degree with no cost to you? Thanks"

You might check with the University HR department site, as policies on tuition coverage or similar policies are often published there. If so, no need to negotiate a specific agreement on it.

Posted by: Anon | Nov 13, 2020 2:56:31 PM

Is it reasonable in your opinion to ask the law school to take classes (related to your field) for a graduate degree with no cost to you? Thanks

Posted by: More studying | Nov 13, 2020 10:45:27 AM

Wow, does that really happen?

Posted by: anonfellow | Nov 13, 2020 9:49:43 AM

"You should also be candid about your interest in the position and about other offers you have or are waiting to hear about."

Be careful about this. Some deans will move up an exploding offer window to prevent another school from taking you. Unfortunately, full transparency is not always the best strategy.

Posted by: timing | Nov 13, 2020 3:03:55 AM

Please update the spreadsheet with your offers! I can't believe schools would look down on candidates sharing information anonymously with this community.

Posted by: Anon | Nov 12, 2020 8:08:29 PM

Can you please share what your offer window is?

Posted by: offers | Nov 12, 2020 7:32:39 PM

For what it’s worth, I received an offer last week and also had a first screening interview with a different school this week. Timing is weird.

Posted by: Both Sides | Nov 12, 2020 5:23:31 PM

I know of some schools who have made offers. My school who is looking to hire this year is finishing screenings this week and offers should come out in early December. Traditionally, a significant portion of offers are made between now and winter break and I think that that general timeline will not change. As for exploding offers the timelines range from a month to two. You can sometimes delay the process by making a request that requires further internal conversation at the law school (say asking about a position for your partner). You should also be candid about your interest in the position and about other offers you have or are waiting to hear about . The dean that offered you a job is your prospective employer and you don't want to start your career with an awkward negotiation phase. From my experience most deans have been to this rodeo before and none will take offense if you share candidly where you are in the deliberation process.

Posted by: AnonProf* | Nov 12, 2020 9:32:43 AM

What is a typical deadline for an offer? A week? Two weeks? With some schools sending out offers and others only beginning interviews, what should one expect?

Posted by: offers | Nov 11, 2020 11:24:23 PM

Kentucky has made offers.

Posted by: AnonProf | Nov 11, 2020 2:20:04 PM

Yes. Some schools are only now starting to send out screening invites.

Posted by: anon | Nov 11, 2020 2:12:09 PM

We are well into the callback and offer phase of the cycle, though this year may throw some timing off.

Different question: Does anyone know of schools who are hiring but have NOT started giving offers yet

Posted by: Offers | Nov 11, 2020 1:40:21 PM

At this stage it's probably easier to share information in the thread than in the spreadsheet. I have heard of offers from several schools but I don't know that the information can be shared in the spreadsheet as some may have made only a single offer so far.

Posted by: Anon | Nov 11, 2020 1:10:16 PM

@Aspiring -- At least in my law school there has not been an increase in the number of call backs (which remained consistent with previous years: 4 callbacks for entry level, 2 callbacks for lateral). The reason has less to do with the cost of flying, but rather with the challenge of scheduling and availability of faculty who are asked to read papers and meet with applicants. These things take time and Human Resources -- so there are still plenty capacity limitations that keep that part similar to the pre-corona numbers.

Posted by: Insiderlook | Nov 10, 2020 4:22:29 PM

If one does get invited for a call-back, what are her chances of getting an offer? That is, how many candidates to schools typically invite back--are we talking 1/3, maybe 1/5? And are schools giving more call-backs this year given the reduced costs resulting from conducting them over Zoom?

Posted by: Aspiring | Nov 10, 2020 3:27:19 PM

I have heard that South Dakota Law has given offers.

Posted by: SDLaw | Nov 10, 2020 12:13:26 PM

Does anyone know if Pacific (McGeorge) has scheduled callbacks?

Posted by: Pacific | Nov 9, 2020 10:53:21 PM

It has been too quiet here. Anyone has heard of recent offers??

Posted by: Anon | Nov 9, 2020 9:01:22 PM

Can I just say it sucks to have no sense at all of the hiring timeline this year? Some schools have already given offers, but others haven’t even started screening interviews. I have no idea if schools I applied to are rejecting me or haven’t finished evaluations for screeners. I have no idea if schools hated me after screeners or haven’t started callbacks yet. I have no idea when to expect calls after callbacks or how to navigate offers when some schools haven’t even started the process.

If any hiring committee members are out there, please give your candidates more timeline clarity!

Posted by: Timing | Oct 30, 2020 4:06:28 PM

@anon_MSU I heard they are already having call backs (or at least are scheduled)

Posted by: anan | Oct 29, 2020 11:09:46 AM

How many people do schools typically invite for call back?

Posted by: call back | Oct 28, 2020 10:15:17 PM

A few people on this have interviewed recently with MSU. Anyone has heard of any callbacks?

Posted by: anon_MSU | Oct 27, 2020 12:46:31 PM

@callbacks_no I’ve had 10 screeners and 2 callbacks. Number doesn’t really matter though. Every year there are people with dozens of interviews and no good offer. Or 3 interviews and a great offer. You never know.

Posted by: Just one | Oct 22, 2020 7:05:01 PM

I understand the market this year is very unusual but does anyone have a sense of what is considered a good number of callbacks to have (perhaps from past years experience)? Also, if any people have received callbacks, would they be willing to share how many they've got?

Posted by: callbacks_no | Oct 21, 2020 4:56:22 PM

@Aspiring I’ve experienced all day Zooms. Multiple interviews plus job talk presentation to faculty, all in one day. .

Posted by: callback zooms | Oct 20, 2020 6:24:21 PM

No offense, but if you don’t know the meaning of “doctrinal,” you’re probably not ready to be on the market to become a law prof.

Posted by: AnonProf | Oct 17, 2020 11:36:56 PM

Can anyone who has had one comment on what call backs are looking like this cycle? Is it a full day of Zoom meetings with various faculty members as if you were there on campus, or is it just the job talk?

Posted by: Aspiring | Oct 17, 2020 11:12:35 PM

@suckstobeus Doctrinal = not clinical or legal writing. Could be the school didn’t specify a topic, or the poster didn’t want to specify. Still more useful than no info.

Posted by: doctrinal | Oct 17, 2020 6:07:20 PM

Is Colordao hiring??

Posted by: question | Oct 17, 2020 11:19:13 AM

Wtf is a "doctrinal" interview that folks are posting? Is that just meant to clarify it's not for a clinical position? Doesn't seem very helpful.

This year totally sucks. I know, I know, COVID etc...still...it sucks.

Posted by: suckstobeus | Oct 16, 2020 8:29:28 PM

Someone got an entry-level, tenure-track, faculty interview for Yale?! I can’t imagine the insane CV and references you must have.

I haven’t heard of any offers among my friends, but Lieter blog post suggests all my friends and I are just failing this year, so that’s good to hear.

Posted by: October Surprise | Oct 16, 2020 6:09:07 PM

Has anyone heard from FSU after the screener?

Posted by: impatient | Oct 15, 2020 9:38:32 PM

Did Lewis & Clark provide a timeline re decisions on callbacks to people during or after screeners?

Posted by: lewisandclark | Oct 15, 2020 8:42:01 PM

Wow! So updates to the spreadsheet today. There is a lot to digest. Has anyone heard from Richmond, Wake Forest or Pepperdine?

Posted by: Anon | Oct 15, 2020 7:09:39 PM

I've had several screeners too and waiting on any news: one school reached out to say they are getting delayed but with no timeline indication. No word from anyone else. I'd be interested to know which search areas are getting callbacks. My main areas are in crim/crim pro.

Posted by: waiting | Oct 15, 2020 3:08:51 PM

I've had several screening interviews so far but I've also had comittee charis telling me that I should not expect to hear back from them for the next couple of months (indicating that their hiring process this year is exceptionaly lengthy).

Posted by: fish | Oct 15, 2020 2:18:48 PM

Leiter's post today is suggesting that callbacks have happened as early as September and some schools have already extended offers. What's the temperature in this room? The spreadsheet is quiet but have people been getting callbacks and offers? (here the relevant post https://leiterlawschool.typepad.com/leiter/2020/10/the-timing-of-this-years-job-market.html)

Posted by: anon_offers | Oct 15, 2020 12:22:58 PM

Does anyone know if Cardozo has scheduled callbacks yet?

Posted by: Cardozo | Oct 12, 2020 5:51:50 PM

@anon_Tulane: When they told me their callback timeline, they said they'd make decisions "around" the second week in Oct., which is a pretty squishy way of putting it...so I wouldn't freak out if you haven't heard yet, this being only the first day of the second full week. And I haven't heard back from them, though I'm fully expecting a ding any day now... :)

Posted by: SmoothCriminalAtty | Oct 12, 2020 4:05:52 PM

@firsttimelateral

I could be mistaken, but my impression was that people don't really apply for laterals....rather they get a tap on the shoulder...

Keep us updated on how things work out for you

Posted by: Anon | Oct 12, 2020 11:54:16 AM

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