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Monday, October 29, 2018

VAPs and Fellowships: Open Thread, 2018-2019

On this thread, comments can be shared regarding news of appointments to VAPs or similar fellowships (for example, the Climenko and Bigelow).  Here is last year's thread.

You may also add information to the spreadsheet.

Posted by Sarah Lawsky on October 29, 2018 at 09:00 AM in Getting a Job on the Law Teaching Market | Permalink


Waiting sure is fun.... no news on Climenko or NYU?

Posted by: Anonn | Jan 8, 2019 12:27:56 PM

Can the people who received offers please let everyone know if they accepted them?

Posted by: Anon | Jan 4, 2019 2:14:13 PM

Having gone through the Yale PhD program, I'd be happy to chat with anyone about it. It is akin to the Climenko/Bigelow fellowships, though like everything, there are pros/cons both ways.

I don't check this board often, though, so email me at rebecca dot crootof at yale dot edu.

Posted by: Rebecca Crootof | Dec 30, 2018 1:19:09 AM

Because the PhD is granted through Yale’s graduate school of arts and sciences, it would not surprise me if the LSAT is related to that admissions process, not imposed by the Yale Law faculty.

Posted by: Nanon | Dec 29, 2018 9:12:07 AM

Several people have told me that compared to the (other) VAP/fellowship programs, Yale treats people in the program as students rather than early-career academics. The LSAT requirement is consistent with that.

Posted by: Anon2 | Dec 29, 2018 12:33:44 AM

I looked at the Yale law PhD website just now. It says they require LSAT scores. Is this a joke?

Posted by: Anon | Dec 28, 2018 7:41:04 PM

Is there a thread that tracks Yale Law PhD admissions? I know it isn’t a VAP/Fellowship but I imagine that there is overlap with this population. I’m curious if anyone has heard back...or had a sense of when we might hear back...

Posted by: Curious | Dec 28, 2018 3:25:02 PM

@anon it’s either that or crying into my peppermint hot cocoa ;)

Posted by: SnaZzy | Dec 28, 2018 11:38:26 AM

snazzy, what an optimist!

Posted by: anon | Dec 28, 2018 10:50:03 AM

But there is still hope until the rejection email arrives :)
The spreadsheet doesn’t yet indicate that the offers were accepted.

Posted by: Snazzy | Dec 28, 2018 10:22:32 AM

Idk but I would think they make all their offers at once. I bet they made more than 2

Posted by: Anon | Dec 27, 2018 4:47:11 PM

How many spots does NYU have to fill? Would they even know at this point?

Posted by: Anonnn | Dec 27, 2018 2:13:11 PM

If they have made 2 offers, my guess is that they have made all their offers, but I could be wrong

Posted by: Anon | Dec 27, 2018 12:19:08 PM

I see someone posted on the spreadsheet that NYU has made another offer (2 total)

Posted by: Anonnn | Dec 27, 2018 11:46:45 AM

Can I ask who deleted the 4 AIL offers and why? Was it actually a mistake?

Posted by: anon? | Dec 19, 2018 8:01:59 PM

Didn't realize the spreadsheet has content when you click on the link! I don't think it's been reported in the thread, but the spreadsheet indicates that Columbia has made 4 offers.

Posted by: anon | Dec 19, 2018 4:26:56 PM

The Information Society Project at Yale Law School is currently accepting applications for four positions: Executive Director, ISP Resident Fellow, Wikimedia/YLS Fellow, and Communications Fellow. I've added them to the spreadsheet, along with a link to the calls (which will also note when the positions are closed): https://law.yale.edu/isp/join-us

Posted by: Rebecca Crootof | Dec 19, 2018 1:29:18 PM

Right. Even the previous poster did not disclose where the received this interview. How can we blame people when there is no information. Like everything else in law hiring, the process is hard to make sense of

Posted by: Anon | Dec 19, 2018 10:51:02 AM

I think the problem is that these processes are so opaque and unclear we resort to the blind leading the blind. I know that I place probably undue importance on what is posted here due to a lack of anything else to rely on

Posted by: Anonnn | Dec 19, 2018 10:13:09 AM

I completely agree with anon interviewee. I follow this tread as well as the one on law school hiring. There, one person said: "If you haven't received any AALS screening interviews yet, you shouldn't go to DC." This was quite depressing for me, as at that moment I only had one interview. 5 days later, I had 7 interviews in total. So don't believe everything you see written here.

Posted by: AnonSad | Dec 18, 2018 4:01:51 PM

I would appreciate it if commenters would refrain from posting things like, "If you haven't heard from x you're not getting an interview," unless you can provide some kind of substantiating details.

I received an interview from a big name fellowship program after reading one comment earlier. I've also spoken with an individual currently in a big name fellowship program who told me that this comment thread is not always well-informed with regard to the state of play at different programs.

There is no need to prop up false hopes, of course; but neither is there reason to pass off pure conjecture as fact.

Posted by: anon interviewee | Dec 18, 2018 3:22:49 PM

Regarding the comment that if you haven't had an interview by now you're probably out of the running, has anyone heard from Climenko yet?

Posted by: anon? | Dec 18, 2018 1:24:51 PM

Has Duke given out interviews?

Posted by: anonL | Dec 18, 2018 11:48:59 AM

Does anyone have information about whether NYU has made more than one offer?

Posted by: Anon | Dec 18, 2018 11:23:49 AM

I think at this point, it's fairly safe to say that if you have not had an interview, then you are out of the running except at those places where deadlines are Jan. 1 or later.

Posted by: anon | Dec 18, 2018 11:22:32 AM

Ding AIL

Posted by: anon | Dec 18, 2018 11:17:29 AM

Honestly, I was just excited to see something in my inbox :D
Good luck everyone as this process continues!!

Posted by: Sparky | Dec 18, 2018 11:16:27 AM

And yet another ding from Columbia AIL. I hadn’t heard anything until today’s email

Posted by: Anonnnn | Dec 18, 2018 11:13:14 AM

Hi Team - one more rejection from Columbia's AIL Program :)

Posted by: Sparky | Dec 18, 2018 11:09:58 AM

So far then we have at least one offer from NYU.

Interviews with Penn, Chicago, and Duke.

Anything else?

Posted by: Anon | Dec 14, 2018 12:16:21 PM

Heard from bigelow and duke

Posted by: anon | Dec 12, 2018 5:07:46 PM

I can only share that I haven't heard anything from Penn yet...

Posted by: anonymous | Dec 12, 2018 1:13:21 PM

Other than NYU and Penn all the other programs seem to be quite so far?

Posted by: anon | Dec 12, 2018 10:50:33 AM

I suspect people do not post for fear of outing themselves, primarily.

Posted by: anon | Dec 11, 2018 9:36:49 PM

I suspect it's too early for NYU (and possibly others) to know how many fellows they can hire. There may be current fellows who'll leave if they land a TT position but stay another year if they don't.

Posted by: Ann On | Dec 11, 2018 9:23:40 PM

FWIW, I haven’t heard from Harvard or Columbia. Interviewed with NYU but haven’t heard back. How many will NYU hire? When should I start losing hope?

Posted by: Anonwiththewind | Dec 11, 2018 3:51:26 PM

FWIW Columbia sent me a rejection email on Dec 22 last year. Sharswood never sent me anything. Bigelow rejected me in Feb last year.

I will say, this thread is quite silent compared to last year. Is there any particular reason for that? I imagine it's pretty tough to be a competitive candidate on the TT Market or VAP Market and not know about these threads.

Posted by: anon | Dec 11, 2018 2:31:11 PM

anon - I have heard of only one and am not sure of the timing, though it must have been at least a week ago.

Posted by: Annonn | Dec 11, 2018 10:57:33 AM


When did NYU start making offers? How many?

Posted by: anon | Dec 11, 2018 10:44:40 AM

NYU has started making offers. Has anyone heard from Harvard, Columbia?

Posted by: Annonn | Dec 11, 2018 10:37:27 AM

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Posted by: anonymous | Dec 7, 2018 4:05:43 PM

Has anyone heard back after the initial screener for an on site interview?

Posted by: anonL | Dec 7, 2018 3:28:36 PM

I think comments were down for a bit — any news?

Posted by: Anonnnnn | Dec 7, 2018 12:44:01 PM

Thank you, TopVAP

Posted by: anon | Dec 1, 2018 3:34:51 PM

anon --

Different programs follow different timelines and procedures, and I'd refer you to my earlier post where I detailed my experience last year for a better sense of how this all can shake out from a timing perspective. There's at least one well-regarded program that makes offers without first interviewing, for example.

For my program, assuming that you applied in early October AND your application went complete around then (e.g., we received all of your LORs and accompanying materials), if you haven't heard anything from us, it's probably a negative indicator. It is, however, possible that you are in some version of "hold" -- we do have several candidates who are. And I think it's probable that we will ultimately call at least one such candidate.

Posted by: TopVAP | Dec 1, 2018 3:23:54 PM

TopVAP, thanks for that information. Can you comment on how interviewing proceeds where there is a rolling policy? For example, if you apply in early october and haven’t received a call by now, is that a roughly good indicator that you won’t receive one? Or is it possible you are on “hold” until more applications/top applicants get interviewed/receive offers? For many on the VAP market information is important to planning, and their different situations are much different than those applying to non-academic jobs. It would be helpful for programs to be more transparent about hiring practice, salary info, etc

Posted by: anon | Dec 1, 2018 3:07:23 PM

A couple of tips from someone who is currently in the process of reviewing applications for one of the often-mentioned positions here:

* It's not too late to apply. I know that my program has, in years past, made offers to candidates who hadn't applied yet at this point. We are in fairly advanced stages of interviewing, but are also still reviewing new applications. Most programs make offers in two rounds, because the number of spots available in these programs is typically contingent on how people do on the job market, which won't resolve for several additional months.

* Most of these programs make offers on a rolling basis. But also most of these programs will try to interview a couple of candidates before making an offer. So if you've interviewed and haven't heard anything, don't despair! Also, if you haven't been contacted for an interview yet (especially if you applied late), don't despair!

* I know when we've interviewed a candidate and I know when I vote with respect to an interview or an offer. I don't, however, typically know when we actually contact candidates. Sometimes, I think, it's the day after my vote and sometimes it seems to be a week or more later. I suspect that this is standard. As a consequence, the possibility of outing yourself by posting where you are in the process for a specific school is exceedingly low.

* In any event, we don't care if you post about having an interview or an offer on this board. I also suspect that this view is shared widely.

Posted by: TopVAP | Dec 1, 2018 2:12:40 PM

So word from NYU? What about Harvard interviews?

Posted by: Anon | Nov 30, 2018 8:08:10 PM

Has anybody gotten a call from Upenn yet?

Posted by: anonymous | Nov 30, 2018 6:31:53 PM

Yes, screener means an initial phone interview.

Posted by: anonym | Nov 29, 2018 7:12:53 PM

When people talk about a "screener," are they just talking about an initial phone interview? And does an invitation for a screener = initial contact to schedule time for phone interview?

Posted by: AnotherNewbie | Nov 29, 2018 1:35:38 PM

Newbie: Yes. I don't know if they have invited everyone they plan to interview, but some interviews have already been conducted and I think they plan to be finished with screeners by end of next week.

Posted by: anonym | Nov 29, 2018 12:18:33 PM

Newbie, that's the sense I got, too. Though I may well be wrong.

Posted by: Anooon | Nov 29, 2018 11:49:34 AM

I am under impression that NYU will be issuing decisions before the new year - at least based on what was said to me during interviews. But who knows!

Re Penn - have people already been invited for those screening interviews?

Posted by: Newbie | Nov 29, 2018 11:18:02 AM

Next year? Well that's a depressing thought.

Posted by: Anononon | Nov 28, 2018 6:16:58 PM

Penn Sharswood is doing screeners this week and next

Posted by: anonym | Nov 28, 2018 4:24:40 PM

I haven’t heard anything from NYU, but I only interviewed a few weeks ago. I’d be surprised to hear anything before the new year

Posted by: Anon and on | Nov 28, 2018 3:16:53 PM

Has anyone heard from NYU post-interview?

Posted by: Anononon | Nov 27, 2018 6:46:26 PM

Chicago is in the midst of screeners.

Posted by: anon? | Nov 27, 2018 6:38:20 PM

It's been a couple of weeks (almost). Any news from NYU, Columbia, Chicago, etc.?

Posted by: AnonAnon | Nov 27, 2018 1:07:41 PM

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