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Saturday, July 28, 2018

Submission Angsting Fall 2018

This is the post to share information or ask questions about submitting to law reviews.

The comments can be used to share information, complaints, praise, etc. about which journals you have heard from, which you have not, and so forth.

Additionally, a spreadsheet to gather information is here (and embedded below).

I won't update or watch the spreadsheet. You can go ahead and add your own information by going to the spreadsheet here. The spreadsheet is editable by anyone, except that a few columns and a row (the ones highlighted in yellow) are locked, either because they auto-calculate or because tampering with them has caused a problem in the past. (If something about them needs to be changed post a comment, and I will change them.) As more information is added, I will do some pointless data calculations on subsequent sheets.

Entering information in the column entitled "Username" is of course totally optional, but a way to make keeping track easier. For example, if you pick a username, you will easily be able to sort by your entries and update them, instead of trying to remember what day you submitted and sorting that way. This also adds information -- showing, for example, that all of the entries on the spreadsheet come from one person, or from lots of people, etc. At any rate, totally optional, and simply a way to add more information.

Rostron & Levit's extremely helpful guide to submitting to law reviews is available here (this is the July 2018 version). The article now also includes hyperlinks to law review websites.

Comments now appear from newest to oldest.

Posted by Sarah Lawsky on July 28, 2018 at 07:07 PM | Permalink


Georgetown has 2 offers on the spreadsheet. Does anyone know how long Georgetown typically gives an author to accept? You would think that might prompt some movement out there in the ether.

Posted by: losinghope | Sep 7, 2018 7:56:45 AM

Kayfabe, that makes sense in theory, but the large numbwr of non-responders, as well as variation in review times (what is “shortly after”?) makes any effort to figure out this process unlikely to work.

Posted by: Mt | Sep 7, 2018 7:24:21 AM

anon1.5. Did you hear from Vandy? If so, when? Off Expedite?

Posted by: anon | Sep 7, 2018 1:32:57 AM

I really appreciate this group.
I also have heard nothing from Arizona, Boston College, Columbia Law Review (Essays), Harvard, Harvard CRCL, Hastings, NYU Rev. L& Soc. Change, Chicago, Georgetown, Texas, Penn, Washington, Washington Univ., Wisconsin, USC . . . Does this mean they are still deciding?

Posted by: anon1.5 | Sep 7, 2018 12:41:26 AM

4non, presumably such an article would be rejected shortly after someone bothered to read it. It's not like they would have any incentive to hold onto the dummy article until the review is full, because it's something they wouldn't publish even if all their other submissions were withdrawn. If journals are rejecting actual articles off of expedite requests but the dummy is still not rejected, then that's a sign they are only reading expedite requests.

Posted by: Kayfabe | Sep 6, 2018 10:44:26 PM

Glad to know I have company, especially the Cal datapoint, which has confused a lot of us. I, too, am waiting on Wash U, but I had heard they had closed out so was never optimistic. Got rejected by Florida recently, alas. Didn't apply to one top 20 school because they published me this summer and I figured they were unlikely to give me another look so soon. Am finding this process hard. It's always hard. I am losing hope. But then again, it just takes one, and last year, I got that one.

Posted by: losinghope | Sep 6, 2018 10:10:57 PM

Waiting on same 14 as losinghope, as well as UCLA, Wash U., Florida, Arizona, and several others.

Rejected by 13 so far (Yale, Stanford, NYU, Mich., Va., NW, BU, NC, Wake Forest, Utah, and Florida State). Average time between submission and rejection: 10.7 days.

Posted by: NotLosingHope | Sep 6, 2018 9:53:19 PM

How would that show who was and wasn’t reviewing? Nothing happens in this process until everything happens. There is little way to discern what is happening behind the scenes.

Posted by: 4n0n | Sep 6, 2018 8:51:17 PM

It's too bad someone can't submit an Lorem Ipsum dummy article to every journal in the T-100 to see who isn't reading submissions at all. Bonus points if that someone has nice letterhead and gets the article accepted.

Posted by: Kayfabe | Sep 6, 2018 2:04:51 PM

I am still waiting to hear from all of these schools on an 8/10 - 8/13 submission. (Also waiting on Columbia, Penn, Cal, Georgetown, and Washington & Lee.) (And Harvard, haha.) I think the spreadsheet reflects some response from Vanderbilt, but only on expedites. Wisconsin and Cal have been very active in the past, including on non-expedites, but they don't seem to have done anything recently. Penn doesn't seem to have surfaced on the spreadsheet at all, so I suspect they, too, are non-responders.

Posted by: losinghope | Sep 6, 2018 1:18:23 PM

Vanderbilt, Hastings, and USC are the only ones I have not heard from on that list. My guess is that they are non-responders this cycle.

Posted by: anony | Sep 6, 2018 11:50:57 AM

Has anyone heard recently from Wisconsin, Washington, Vanderbilt, Chicago, Texas, USC, Hastings, Boston College?

Posted by: anon1 | Sep 6, 2018 11:23:41 AM

NYU ding, no expedite, 9/1 submission.

Posted by: late submitter | Sep 5, 2018 7:25:57 PM

Let's not give up on the spreadsheet. Something happened overnight and a bunch of entries were deleted. No clue why. This morning, I filled in journals I was certain of (like GW, where we all commented about our "strong contributions" and the most recent UVA/Columbia/Northwestern entries -- two of these entries were mine, so I recall what was around them). We may lose some data if others don't re-input their information, but that doesn't mean it's not valuable to keep plugging in information on a going-forward basis.

Posted by: Anon | Sep 5, 2018 11:11:34 AM

So it seems like the spreadsheet is irredeemably messed up, so I'm just going to blog my results here, since it might be helpful for future late submitters. Maybe next year the spreadsheet should be a bit simpler, or more limited in how folks can edit it, or something.

I submitted on 9/1 to open online and paper journals in the T50. I have been rejected by Columbia-Articles (but not Essays or Online), and William & Mary Online.

Posted by: late submitter | Sep 5, 2018 11:01:28 AM

tenureangst, for what it's worth, I don't think I've ever had an article published on time (perhaps once). Most of the time, it comes out months and months late.

Posted by: AnonProf---- | Sep 5, 2018 10:05:06 AM

Thanks for your feedback. @anonanon, relieved to hear I'm not alone! @4n0n, yes they accepted the piece in August, said it would be published in October, and I still haven't worked with them on the edits. That's why I was worried (that, and the fact that I've contacted them repeatedly as I need to hear from them for my tenure application)

Posted by: tenureangst | Sep 5, 2018 8:09:51 AM

Somebody is deleting names from the spreadsheet, presumably accidentally. It may be worth double-checking if you've entered info.

Posted by: anonanon | Sep 5, 2018 7:59:11 AM

spreadsheet seems to have lost a lot of recent data. if you have updated in past few days, please try to go in and add back the journal names. this is such a valuable resource for us, and it would be great to have the missing inputs back.

Posted by: anon | Sep 5, 2018 7:58:17 AM

4n0n: Don't worry, this happens a lot. Happened to me with my first major publication, a T14, and I was worried for weeks that they were going to go back on the offer. They were just busy.

Posted by: anonanon | Sep 5, 2018 7:56:23 AM

tenureangst, do you mean the issue with your piece is due out next month and you haven’t been editing it with the journal?

I have had plenty of times where an article is accepted, I sign the agreement, and then hear nothing for weeks or longer.

Posted by: 4n0n | Sep 4, 2018 10:01:32 PM

Question: is it normal for a journal to accept a paper, and go quiet for 10 days? I have already sent them the signed publishing agreement, and they acknowledged receipt. I contacted them on August 26 asking for a countersigned copy for my tenure application, but no word. I have tried calling and emailing them to no avail. Could they go back on the offer? Supposedly the issue on which my piece would be published is due out next month.

Posted by: tenureangst | Sep 4, 2018 9:43:05 PM

Anybody else still waiting on Cal? They had a raft of rejections on 8/28 and closed on Scholastica, but they definitely seem to still be using my submission as a dartboard.

Posted by: anon | Sep 4, 2018 5:31:54 PM

I got my first article this cycle picked up already. Have a shorter one that's more timely that I sent out Sept. 1. So we'll see how that goes.

Posted by: ErieSwiftByrd | Sep 4, 2018 12:47:38 AM

Sorry, I mean September 1. Not August 1.

Posted by: Submitter | Sep 3, 2018 6:44:39 PM

Anon: the latest I ever submitted in the fall was Aug. 1. I received several offers and accepted a top specialty in my field.

anon: With the exception of HYSC, I always wait 1 or 2 cycles before submitting to a repeat publisher (even t14). It’s just my personal approach and I don’t know that quick repeats really matter much.

Posted by: Submitter | Sep 3, 2018 6:43:26 PM

@Anon 5:35: As my school pays for submissions, I have not hesitated to send an article to a journal already in the process of publishing a different piece. I have never wound up publishing back-to-back in the same journal, but I see CVs of scholars who have three or four pieces in the same top 30 or 20 journal in a relatively short span of time. It looks a little odd, but it is better than publishing in a significantly lower ranked journal.

Posted by: Jack | Sep 3, 2018 6:18:49 PM

Sorry - that was confusing. Didn't submit my NEW article to the journal that published my LAST article this June.

Posted by: anon | Sep 3, 2018 5:39:54 PM

Random question for the collective: I didn't submit my article to the journal that picked me up last August. The article just came out in June. I figure there's no way they would want to publish me in back-to-back volumes. Assuming you all agree that there was no way, how long an interval do you suggest before I submit to them again? Thanks. I'm kinda new.

Posted by: anon | Sep 3, 2018 5:35:32 PM

I stagger my submissions. I don't really have a good reasons why, though.

Posted by: AnonProf---- | Sep 3, 2018 5:17:35 PM

@anonprof---- any advice on submitting two articles during the same cycle? Do you think it best to stagger your submissions?

Posted by: first timer | Sep 3, 2018 5:10:08 PM

I think this cycle is essentially over. Sure some strangler offers could come through for a few of the lucky ones, but I think it's basically done. This is one of the quietest cycles I have ever seen. I know many established scholars who received no offers and, even among those who did, the offers were from journals far below their average.

Posted by: anon | Sep 3, 2018 1:13:48 PM

Anon, I submitted a first article earlier in the cycle and now a second article later in the cycle. I'm feeling like we are just submitting too late. The article submitted in the beginning of this cycle was originally submitted last year on September 4th (I didn't resubmit in the spring for some idiosyncratic reasons) and didn't receive a decent bite last year. When I resubmitted on like August 4th of this year, I enjoyed substantially more success. In fact, I received offers from journals that rejected me last year. Perhaps I made the piece much better? But I suspect that the greatest factor was timing. With this latter article, i only submitted it to a select handful of journals with the intention of resubmitting in the spring unless a shocker comes through.

Posted by: AnonProf---- | Sep 3, 2018 11:26:35 AM

I just submitted a short essay to both online law reviews and any still-open T30 law reviews. Any other late submitters here? Any former late submitters with good experiences to share?

Posted by: Anon | Sep 3, 2018 11:17:59 AM

Congrats to those receiving offers! The prof with the Georgetown offer, did you get a notice of a full board review prior to the offer?

Posted by: AnonProf | Sep 2, 2018 2:13:18 PM

Mine said "strong contribution" despite it not being a strong contribution. Very kind those people are.

Posted by: AnonProf---- | Sep 2, 2018 11:20:54 AM

My GW rejection said the same thing.

Posted by: lackingpatience | Sep 2, 2018 10:14:20 AM

GW, yes, my rejection from GW had the same language about my article’s “contribution.”

Posted by: Experienced anon | Sep 2, 2018 10:11:47 AM

Does GW's rejection tell everyone that their submission is "a strong contribution"?

Posted by: GW | Sep 2, 2018 9:57:23 AM

I still have 42. Including 7 in the USN top 10. I don't have any idea what it means, and this is a completely nerve-wracking process.

Posted by: lackingpatience | Sep 1, 2018 9:18:31 PM

I still have 27(!) listed as under review. Does this mean *any*thing? Ugghhhhh

Posted by: first timer | Sep 1, 2018 7:54:36 PM

I suspect there are a lot of journals that have not completed their selections. Some of them may not have chosen; others may have open offers that authors are shopping around. All I know is that I submitted in early August and have yet to be rejected by many T20 journals (most of which have rejected other submissions, even those of non-expediters who submitted after me). Assuming journals that have rejected other non-expediters intend to ultimately reject me, they haven't done so yet. They may each have a single spot, but unless they are just torturing me for its own sake, they haven't shut down for the season.

Posted by: lackingpatience | Sep 1, 2018 4:36:16 PM

When do we think the cycle is pretty much over?

Posted by: anonjohn | Sep 1, 2018 4:22:07 PM

I know someone who received a Vandy offer this cycle. No board notification.

Posted by: anon | Aug 31, 2018 2:25:32 PM

Has anyone heard word of Vandy offers? Are they notifying full board reads? They have been quiet it seems...

Posted by: anon | Aug 31, 2018 2:09:41 PM

To the international law folks and anyone else with advise: I have an offer from Virginia JIL and one from Yale JIL. I am currently a fellow and looking to get into the market next summer. Any sense of which of the two would you go with?

Posted by: anonIL | Aug 31, 2018 5:53:35 AM

I am so impatient! I wish these guys would meet and just make their decisions already!

Posted by: notevenslightlypatient | Aug 30, 2018 8:26:33 PM

Thank you, good idea. Is there anything in particular to do differently if I'm sending out multiple articles?

Posted by: Anon Law | Aug 30, 2018 4:18:48 PM

Boards turnover entering into the spring. Why not send out both articles in the spring?

Posted by: AnonProf---- | Aug 30, 2018 3:38:53 PM

I commented previously about receiving a T-150 offer but then a note from Harvard Law Review stating that my article had made it through the first stage of review and was facing two further stages.

I turned down the t150 offer, but Harvard then declined. So I'm a little stuck - I really need to have a publication coming out this fall, and I've still got 29 submissions still "under review," according to Scholastica, which could mean something... but I'm not holding my breath.

My sense is that, if I got at least that far at Harvard, my core idea is interesting and I need to work more on the packaging. I've got another publication I'm sending out in the spring. However, I'm guessing it would be wiser to revise and resend next fall, so as to avoid sending the same piece to exactly the same groups of students, right?


Posted by: Anon Law | Aug 30, 2018 3:17:58 PM

experienced anon - I am so glad you are on this thread. I'd love for it to be the case that they are still reviewing, and you've given me just the smallest iota of hope.

Posted by: ughcal | Aug 30, 2018 2:42:30 PM

A couple of years ago, I recall Cal putting out a notice saying that they had a deadline for submission. The would continue reviewing after that date, but would not accept new submissions. I didn't see any such notice this year, but it is possible they are doing the same thing again.

Posted by: experienced anon | Aug 30, 2018 2:38:14 PM

Any theories on why Cal issued a slew of rejections the day before yesterday, closed yesterday on Scholastica, and hasn't rejected me yet? I think the passage of time has made the theory that scholastica just sends them out in random batches a little less compelling. Has anyone ever heard of a journal closing on Scholastica without making its final selections?

Posted by: ughcal | Aug 30, 2018 2:24:41 PM

Texas has only acted on expedites. Virginia, Vandy, and NYU have each acted on one non-expedite. For Vandy and NYU, it was a very early August submission. Virginia acted on one submitted after 8/10.

Posted by: anon | Aug 30, 2018 2:20:45 PM

Is the consensus that Texas, NYU, Vanderbilt, and Virginia are only rejecting off expedites?

Posted by: sickofsilence | Aug 30, 2018 2:07:35 PM

Strange. Fordham rejection states, "Congratulations on your acceptance elsewhere," even though I didn't expedite with them. Do they know something I don't?

Posted by: Fordham | Aug 30, 2018 11:54:13 AM

Still nothing from Cal. Anyone else?

Posted by: anon | Aug 30, 2018 8:17:13 AM

@Cal_anon. Will do. So far, no rejection. Yesterday's rejections hit the spreadsheet at 2:30(ish) EDT. I don't buy into the theory that Scholastica randomly staggers; however, it is very plausible to me that closing on Scholastica signals acceptance of an outstanding offer, which relieves the runners-up of any prospects. My hunch is the rejection will be a morning-coffee rejection tomorrow.

Posted by: anon | Aug 29, 2018 6:39:25 PM

I am curious about the California thing. AnonP's hypothesis does not seem crazy to me. Keep us updated.

Posted by: Cal_anon | Aug 29, 2018 3:20:41 PM

Thanks AnonProf----! 3 days seems short - did you try/manage to negotiate more time?

Posted by: Wash. L. Rev. | Aug 29, 2018 2:20:49 PM

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