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Friday, November 17, 2017

VAPs and Fellowships: Open Thread, 2017-2018

On this thread, comments can be shared regarding news of appointments to VAPs or similar fellowships (for example, the Climenko and Bigelow).  Here is last year's thread.

You may also add information to the spreadsheet.

Originally posted November 17, 2017.

Posted by Sarah Lawsky on November 17, 2017 at 12:23 PM in Getting a Job on the Law Teaching Market | Permalink


NYU goes to AALS but the others don't at least not expressly. NYU interviews early in November, the others do interviews through November-Feb. They often don't decide until Feb or March because some great candidates overestimate the market thinking it is a little easier than it actually is and the VAPs wait until some of those candidates don't get jobs (which for many of those people becomes readily apparent in December if they have no callbacks or callbacks fail) when they apply in December to the fellowships.

Posted by: anon1 | Oct 13, 2018 5:34:11 AM

here is the schedule for the threads on this blog (October 29th for the open thread), I cannot speak to the schedule for the VAPs/Fellowships themselves. http://prawfsblawg.blogs.com/prawfsblawg/2018/07/hiring-posts-schedule.html

Posted by: scheduling | Oct 12, 2018 5:10:19 PM

Does anyone know the timing for most of these programs. Years past suggest things are all over the map. Some comments on the law hiring suggest AALS is used to select candidates for some programs. I assume initial interviews take place after AALS? Maybe it’s time for a new thread.

Posted by: Anon | Oct 12, 2018 2:49:37 PM

it's time to ask the same question again: Is the 2018-2019 version of this thread open yet?

Posted by: anonymous | Sep 24, 2018 1:29:23 PM

is the 2018-2019 version of this thread open yet?

Posted by: anonymous | Aug 6, 2018 8:39:05 AM

Anyone know if Climenko is done hiring yet?

Posted by: anon | Jun 1, 2018 1:49:55 PM

So is that it? All set for this year?

Posted by: anon | May 6, 2018 12:22:04 PM

U Buffalo Baldy Center & IU Bloomington Jerome Hall out

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 12, 2018 3:03:23 PM

Any other news? Thanks to all who have posted thus far

Posted by: anon | Apr 12, 2018 8:39:21 AM

Rejection for the CLS Associates-in-Law Program received a couple hours ago

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 9, 2018 3:24:07 PM

Re: BU - Not a bad idea. Have we confirmed that anyone got the position? Or even interviewed for it?

Posted by: anon | Apr 5, 2018 4:00:40 PM

Has anyone contacted BU for an update? I'm not sure what harm it could do... maybe I'll just email the address that applications were sent to?

Posted by: still hanging on | Apr 5, 2018 2:52:08 PM

just got a rejection from NYU Global Fellows Program

Posted by: anonymous | Apr 3, 2018 3:32:02 PM

Quiet . . . too quiet . . .

Posted by: anon | Apr 3, 2018 12:32:21 PM

News from Harvard IGLP?

Posted by: anonymous | Mar 29, 2018 3:11:21 PM

Re BU I have not heard anything either.

Posted by: anon | Mar 26, 2018 2:41:03 PM

Any more updates on BU VAP? Seems strange that they're on their own timeline

Posted by: anon | Mar 26, 2018 2:08:44 PM

Jerome Hall Post-doc follow-ups (Indiana University @ Bloomington) sent out earlier this afternoon. Final decisions expected by April 10

Posted by: anonymous | Mar 20, 2018 5:27:48 PM

It’s interesting how little people have been posting.

Posted by: Anon | Mar 20, 2018 1:44:30 PM


Posted by: anon | Mar 20, 2018 12:13:18 PM

the rejection I received concerned the general VAP program

Posted by: anonymous | Mar 15, 2018 9:19:58 PM

Thanks everyone for the info. Seems like they sent out some rejections but left some people hanging. Not sure if they have done any interviews.

Posted by: anon | Mar 15, 2018 4:30:22 PM

I haven't been contacted by BU for an interview either. And they have a general VAP in addition to the health law one.

Posted by: anon | Mar 15, 2018 4:12:45 PM

Isn't BU just health law? I don't think they have hired many non health visitors in the past.

Posted by: anon | Mar 15, 2018 3:53:51 PM

Not I.

Posted by: anon | Mar 15, 2018 3:45:39 PM

has anyone been contacted by BU for an interview?

Posted by: anon | Mar 15, 2018 3:28:08 PM

Thanks for sharing. I didn't get it yet, but I suspect it will arrive soon

Posted by: anonymous | Mar 13, 2018 8:13:03 PM

I got a rejecteion today from Associates in Law. Academic fellows is also done- some people got emailed rejections, others did not but I asked and they already hired.

Posted by: anon | Mar 13, 2018 5:57:13 PM

Has anybody else received a decision from CLS for the Associates in Law Program?

Posted by: anonymous | Mar 13, 2018 5:38:43 PM

Just got a rejection from the Associates in Law program today by email.

Posted by: Nicole | Mar 13, 2018 12:47:04 PM

2018-2019 Visiting Assistant Professor Program

Posted by: anonymous | Mar 12, 2018 6:39:02 PM

what kind of fellowship did bu have?

Posted by: anon | Mar 12, 2018 6:23:10 PM

brief & polite email received four days ago

Posted by: anonymous | Mar 12, 2018 6:18:52 PM

In what form did the BU rejection come? Email? Mail? Does BU do interviews?

Posted by: anon | Mar 12, 2018 5:21:12 PM

Did anyone ever here from Stanford's Thomas Grey Fellowship? Application deadline closed a long time ago, but I did not see any info about it from anyone on here.

Posted by: Anomalous | Mar 10, 2018 1:52:16 PM

Chicago and Columbia are done

Posted by: Anon12 | Mar 10, 2018 10:54:48 AM

So the consensus is that the major fellowship programs (Chicago, Columbia, Harvard) are done?

Posted by: anon | Mar 10, 2018 9:40:00 AM

Also received a rejection from Boston

Posted by: Anon | Mar 9, 2018 2:42:14 PM

I have not heard anything at all from BU since I submitted my materials.

Posted by: anon | Mar 8, 2018 4:18:43 PM

Anyone else heard from BU? I haven't, and not sure if that's a good sign or a bad sign

Posted by: anon | Mar 8, 2018 3:50:15 PM

Unless you are still outstanding after an interview I think they all are almost done. I don't think any of them are suddenly going to be doing new interviews.

Posted by: anon | Mar 8, 2018 2:25:19 PM

BU rejections out

Posted by: anonymous | Mar 8, 2018 2:08:40 PM

my last hope is HLS's IGLP fellowship

Posted by: anonymous | Mar 7, 2018 4:55:04 PM

I think the Associates in Law program is done. The website indicates that the hiring process is over. Congrats to those who got it! I guess the rest of us will receive rejection letters/emails soon.

Posted by: Michelle | Mar 7, 2018 4:41:39 PM

Columbia academic fellow and Cornell VAP are done.

Posted by: anon | Mar 6, 2018 7:41:02 PM

I have heard of Columbia callbacks.

Posted by: Anon | Mar 6, 2018 7:15:50 PM

Did any apply to the Associates in law program and get an interview?

Posted by: Michelle | Mar 6, 2018 5:54:59 PM

Rejection from UIUC just received

Posted by: anonymous | Mar 2, 2018 11:33:28 AM

ASU might have a position for a visiting scholar (similar to a VAP, fully integrated into the intellectual life of the school). We have needs in Torts in particular. Possibly also Crim. If interested, send an inquiry to [email protected]. Thanks in advance.

Posted by: Zachary Kramer | Mar 2, 2018 10:30:33 AM

How did fellows this year place?

Posted by: hopefulapplicant | Mar 1, 2018 3:04:38 PM

Anybody heard of any offers from Columbia associates in law or academic fellows?

Posted by: Anon | Mar 1, 2018 11:46:41 AM

At this point, has anyone received an offer? Seems like things should be winding down?

Posted by: anon | Mar 1, 2018 11:34:07 AM

Usually in other jobs you hear back in a week or two. For many of us it has been months. Also in other jobs there is a definite job available for which there are 1-3 applicants, making the odds good. Here there are 50-150 applicants for each slot.

Assume you are not getting picked if you have heard nothing by now. If you got an interview I think a bunch have still to decide.

Posted by: anon | Feb 26, 2018 7:56:25 PM

Employers in virtually no other area provide this kind of information to applicants, so it is what it is.

Posted by: Anon | Feb 26, 2018 5:55:39 PM

The level of communication is pretty terrible. It wouldn’t kill the program director to acknowledge they have received applications and when they expect to make decisons.

Posted by: Anon12 | Feb 25, 2018 6:39:46 PM

To the extent that it matters, I think that there are approximately 20 spots / year in the well-established legal writing-type fellowships (Columbia, NYU, Harvard, Stanford, Chicago) and an additional ~6-7, depending on the year, in various VAP/fellow positions designed for pre-tenure candidates with a high rate of placement success (Sharswood, Georgetown, etc). The numbers go up when you add in subject-specific fellowships, but those are obviously not options for everyone.

Posted by: a non | Feb 25, 2018 6:30:40 PM

It’s fun waiting...

Posted by: Anon1 | Feb 22, 2018 1:34:15 PM

Is there any intel on Columbia Associate-in-Law selection process and time horizon?

Posted by: Disassociate in Law | Feb 21, 2018 8:10:18 PM

Any Climenko news? I know they were interviewing, still haven't heard

Posted by: anon | Feb 21, 2018 11:46:00 AM

Any news? 10 days since the last posting...

Posted by: Anon | Feb 20, 2018 11:51:54 AM

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