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Monday, October 17, 2016

Law School Hiring, 2016-2017, Thread Two

Please leave comments on this thread regarding whether you have received:

(a)  a callback from a law school and/or accepted it; or

(b) an offer from a law school and/or accepted it; feel free to also leave details about the offer, including teaching load, research leave, etc. A school listed as "offer accepted" may have made more than one offer and may still have some slots open.

Five miscellaneous things:

1. If you don't want your contact information displayed, enter [email protected] or something like that as an email address.

2. There is a  separate thread, "A Clearinghouse for Questions," for general questions or comments about the teaching market. Please do not use the thread below for general questions or comments.

3. There's quite a cache of materials relevant to the law job market under the archive categories Getting a Job on the Law Teaching Market and Entry Level Hiring Report.

4. The year's first hiring thread is here. Comments to that thread are now closed.

5. If you would like to enter the information on a spreadsheet, the spreadsheet is available here

You can also add your information to the spreadsheet via this Google form, which was created by someone on the market this year.

Here is a link to the last page of comments.

Originally posted October 17, 2016.

Posted by Sarah Lawsky on October 17, 2016 at 11:08 AM in Getting a Job on the Law Teaching Market | Permalink


What email from Idaho? Applied but did not get email. Guess that means I didn't make the cut, huh?

Posted by: AnonAnon | Apr 19, 2017 7:18:30 PM

Yep, got the email from Idaho. Their salaries are available online.

Posted by: Anon | Apr 3, 2017 6:37:56 PM

Did anyone else get the message from Idaho re: the torts position?

Posted by: Anon | Apr 3, 2017 4:59:02 PM

Yes, Anon: http://prawfsblawg.blogs.com/prawfsblawg/2017/03/entry-level-hiring-the-2017-report-call-for-information.html

Posted by: Yesteryear | Mar 20, 2017 10:35:05 PM

Is the thread up?

Posted by: Anon | Mar 20, 2017 3:36:35 PM

I apologize, but due to circumstances beyond my control I will have to post the next thread either tomorrow or Friday.

Posted by: Sarah Lawsky | Mar 15, 2017 12:03:31 PM

Today's the day -- can't wait to see who all got hired at the various schools!

Posted by: anonprof | Mar 15, 2017 9:53:18 AM

Thought I would leave a data point here for future scholars as to just how hard it is to break in without the right pedigree.

I went to a fine law school (T-20) but definitely not one of the usual suspects. PhD from a similar, but different, school. No clerkship or VAP/Fellowship. Practiced for three years with a prestigious firm, but in a smaller city.

I tested the waters because (1) I do (what I think of as) cutting edge empirical work in a high-profile interdisciplinary area, and (2) my publication record is pretty promising. My two law review articles are both at T-25 journals, I have several publications in quite good behavioral science outlets, and I am writing a book that has been picked up by OUP.

Just to give you an idea, at the AALS hiring conference, I had one interview (from a foreign law school) and was contacted by only one other school (albeit a T-14) for my job talk paper (they also called my references). No other direct applications or colleagues calling in favors resulted in any interviews either. Not that I will go hungry or anything, but just goes to show that the barriers to entry for law faculty appear to be as advertised.

Posted by: anon | Mar 5, 2017 6:15:54 PM

Great, thanks!

Posted by: anonprof | Mar 4, 2017 9:36:42 AM

March 15.

Posted by: Sarah Lawsky | Mar 4, 2017 8:57:28 AM

When will the entry level hiring report thread begin?

Posted by: anonprof | Mar 4, 2017 8:56:47 AM

Okay -- Seriously, what happened to this data pool?

Was next to no one hired, really? What little data exists, here and from Leiter's page, is that very few "real tenure-track" hires occurred this year. Lot of clinic and non-tenure track hires. But that doesn't seems right. Has the hiring this year really been this poor?

Posted by: Anon | Feb 27, 2017 3:12:26 PM

Is hiring basically done?

Posted by: Anon | Feb 22, 2017 7:12:30 AM

Any info about LSU?

Posted by: Tiger | Feb 19, 2017 6:06:23 AM

Does anyone have further information about this CUNY posting? E.g., who's the chair; what the timeline is, etc.? Thanks.

Posted by: 3NT | Feb 18, 2017 12:16:12 PM

In case it hasn't been mentioned here, City University of New York School of Law was not at AALS, but has active tenure track openings - focuses on Business Law, Community Economic Development, and Constitutional law, http://cuny.jobs/queens-ny/assistant-associate-or-full-professor-of-law/ACAE0EDC59424DE19D68515561564551/job/

Posted by: Anon | Feb 7, 2017 4:45:29 PM

Offer accepted at Cal Western in Crim.

Posted by: Anon | Feb 2, 2017 10:57:19 PM

Has anyone heard anything about the international law position at Tufts?

Posted by: AnonAgain | Jan 25, 2017 7:28:00 AM

Roger Williams Law has made at least one offer and it was accepted.

Posted by: Ana Espinosa | Jan 15, 2017 8:38:22 PM

The following schools have all made offers in health law: Colorado, Florida State, Northeastern and Tulane.

Posted by: Anon | Jan 7, 2017 4:29:29 PM

Please add the dates for your offers or offers that you know about on the spreadsheet. We benefited from people doing this all the years before us, and it's a small piece of data to add that might help future candidates.

There's a section to add number of interviews and job offers that could also benefit from some more data.

Posted by: Housekeeping & Data | Jan 5, 2017 3:15:28 PM

Case Western is still accepting applications for a visiting position in business/corporate law. Details at FacLounge:

Posted by: Anon Anon | Dec 28, 2016 9:02:26 AM

Duquesne has made a con law offer and it has been accepted.

Posted by: Anonion | Dec 27, 2016 11:41:17 AM

Tennessee has completed its hiring for the year.

Posted by: Anon | Dec 22, 2016 10:53:44 AM

UMKC has made a business offer.

Posted by: anon | Dec 21, 2016 6:31:48 PM

Richmond has made an offer in tax which was accepted, per: http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2016/12/hayes-holderness-illinois-vap-accepts-tenure-track-position-at-richmond.html

Posted by: Anon | Dec 21, 2016 10:36:56 AM

Any info on the status of Notre Dame's business law search?

Posted by: anon | Dec 20, 2016 1:56:26 PM

Cal Western has made an offer in Crim.

Posted by: Anon | Dec 20, 2016 1:23:32 PM

Everyone's so quiet! Is it really the case that so few people are getting offers? Even reports of DINGS are in short supply. 'Tis the season where the majority of offers go out, many of which expire before the new year.

I'll guess we'll see where was really hiring when the report comes out.

Posted by: anon | Dec 20, 2016 8:07:54 AM


Posted by: anon | Dec 19, 2016 4:52:42 PM

Sorry, no. I only know about the business position because the successful candidate announced it on Facebook.

Posted by: anon | Dec 19, 2016 11:40:12 AM

Any word on Northern Illinois' crim position?

Posted by: anon | Dec 19, 2016 11:01:13 AM

Northern Illinois has made an offer in business and it has been accepted.

Posted by: anon | Dec 16, 2016 7:12:24 PM

Email from Oklahoma. They've called off their search this year, but expect to resume next year.

Posted by: anonymous | Dec 14, 2016 12:31:15 PM

I'm not 100% confident, but my understanding is that they made an offer in legal writing, clinic (criminal) and health law. I would encourage your friend to contact the chair there for more details. I do know that they met last week and voted to make offers, and those offers have been extended.

Posted by: AnonLawProf | Dec 13, 2016 8:37:48 AM

AnonLawProf: How confident are you in your information about UNLV? I know someone who had a callback there, but has not heard anything since last week's vote. Should that person assume that s/he is either out of the running or 2nd choice for his/her line?

Posted by: AnnonAssocProf | Dec 12, 2016 11:46:41 PM

I believe that UNLV made three offers.

Posted by: AnonLawProf | Dec 12, 2016 6:25:58 PM

Any word on UConn, Richmond, or BU?

Posted by: anon | Dec 12, 2016 6:21:29 PM

How many offers did UNLV make?

Posted by: Anon | Dec 12, 2016 5:50:16 PM

UNLV's legal writing offer was accepted.

Posted by: AnonLawProf | Dec 12, 2016 4:13:36 PM

Cal Western has made at least one offer.

Posted by: anon | Dec 12, 2016 2:28:19 PM

Howard has made at least one offer.

Posted by: anon | Dec 12, 2016 2:01:23 PM

Ohio Northern's tax law position has been filled.

Posted by: anon | Dec 7, 2016 3:54:59 PM

Are there any UNLV offers to report?

Posted by: Anon | Dec 6, 2016 7:40:22 PM

UNLV is voting today.

Posted by: AnonLawProf | Dec 6, 2016 5:05:51 PM

Shouldn't this thread be bumped to the front of the blog? I find it hard to believe that only one person was hired this hiring season.

Posted by: Anon | Dec 6, 2016 4:50:37 PM

Vanderbilt has made an offer (clinic).

Posted by: Anon | Dec 3, 2016 8:03:57 AM

UNLV's email said they didn't go to AALS but they brought 8 people to campus and are going to discuss offers now. They might do more hiring in spring. They intend to hire three candidates, in health law, criminal law, business law, legal writing, and clinics.

Posted by: anon | Nov 29, 2016 7:59:53 AM

A real, actual ding from ASU!

Posted by: anon | Nov 28, 2016 5:20:52 PM

What did UNLV say?

Posted by: Anon | Nov 21, 2016 3:20:48 PM

UNLV just sent out a nice email updating candidates of its search process. I wish more schools did this and would like to give UNLV a shout out for good decorum.

Posted by: anon | Nov 21, 2016 3:00:53 PM

Anonfellow: a school may have more than one curricular need, and therefore bring back candidates in several areas before making a final decision.

Posted by: Anon | Nov 21, 2016 11:18:41 AM

formerhiringchair | Nov 13, 2016 6:44:52 PM:

If fitness for a particular curricular need is the goal, why bring back candidates in more than one area? Thanks.

Posted by: anonfellow | Nov 21, 2016 11:11:03 AM

Tennessee has filled its open business law position.

Posted by: Anon | Nov 20, 2016 2:11:37 PM

In terms of who gets an offer, for us it often comes down to curricular fit. We often only have one slot to hire for, but bring back folks in two different areas, or a person who ostensibly could teach the big 1L class we want them to teach, but another candidate who is really an expert in that area. Those elements factor into our discussion (e.g., who seems like they will be a better teacher / scholar, and what expertise can they bring to the faculty / our students).

Posted by: formerhiringchair | Nov 13, 2016 6:44:52 PM

Anon | Nov 4, 2016 5:17:04 PM: I did not know UMKC had made any callbacks because it's not listed on the chart. Maybe this means that there are more interviews going on that we may not be aware of.

Posted by: Law Clerk | Nov 8, 2016 1:07:53 PM

CuriousOnlooker | Nov 5, 2016 5:43:06 PM: It depends on the school. I have heard of schools booking travel and accommodations and advising candidates to retain receipts for reimbursements for associated expenses (taxis, meals, etc.). I have also heard of schools who will permit candidates to make their own arrangements and get reimbursed afterward. They will discuss this upon acceptance of their invitation to visit. Typically, there are so many pre-planned meals during the interview that there are minimal receipts for meals.

Posted by: Law Clerk | Nov 8, 2016 1:05:48 PM

Hong Kong ding.

Posted by: Anon | Nov 8, 2016 11:34:03 AM

Hi! I'm the anon above who asked about callbacks. Thanks so much for your helpful responses.

Posted by: anon | Nov 8, 2016 9:16:17 AM

My school is a lot like Former hiring chair's school. Perceived "fit" - both in terms of subject matter & personal - is key.

Posted by: untenured | Nov 8, 2016 9:16:14 AM

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