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Wednesday, August 05, 2015

Submission angsting: Fall 2015

Well, given that the Christmas and Chanukah decorations and the Winter Starbucks flavors now kick in just after Halloween, I suppose it's no surprise that early August is already a bit late for the traditional Prawfs Fall submissions angsting thread.  

Keep your eyes open for the Great Bird and . . . let the wild rumpus start!  Or, in the more helpful words of our own Howard Wasserman and Danny Markel:

So let the angsting commence.

If you are an author or law review editor and want to share information about your submission experience to the law reviews, this is the place to do it. If you have questions about the process, this is the place to do it. Feel free to use the comments to share your information (and gripes or praise) about which journals you have heard from, which you have not, etc. Have at it. And do it reasonably nicely, pretty please.

Posted by Rick Garnett on August 5, 2015 at 09:19 AM in Rick Garnett | Permalink


Oh and get this, once a journal I expedited to requested an extension to a specific later date, in which they will "definitely" make a decision. I managed to squeeze the extension from the offering journal (which is always a bit awkward), only to receive silence until a few hours before the new deadline was set to expire. I emailed the journal reminding them of the same deadline that *they* requested, only to get the reply that they need 14(!) more days to "review" my piece (meaning, they offered the spot and were waiting for the another author's decision). Best practices are not the forte in our system I guess.

Posted by: Advice | Sep 6, 2015 8:16:07 AM

Almost every cycle I get one encouraging email from an editor at a journal about a "board read" or that he/she finds the article "particularly interesting" because of this or that reason. Strangely, this has never yielded positive results - on the contrary, all of the offers I ever gotten were out of the blue. I think this is rude, but on the other hand, the process is so impersonal that I gather that student editors don't even get that this is really annoying. Also, since there is no institutional memory this stuff never improves.

Posted by: Advice | Sep 6, 2015 8:10:30 AM

It means that the paper was rejected and that the student editors are rude. You should name the journal, because this phenomenon has become too common to ignore.

Posted by: anoff | Sep 6, 2015 7:49:40 AM

Advice, thank you for your post. It is frustrating as one journal I would like to publish in informed me of a final board read and told me I would find out the decision by yesterday but I have heard nothing. Not sure if that means I was rejected, or if they are waiting for someone else to turn down an offer, or if they are just disorganized, but the process sure is frustratingly slow this cycle.

Posted by: Anonymouse | Sep 5, 2015 8:53:53 AM

I expedited from a very good specialty and received an offer from a T30 flagship (WL ranking) 3 hours before the deadline expired. So hang in there.

Posted by: Advice | Sep 5, 2015 1:01:30 AM

Stealth dings from Tennessee and also Arizona State and NYU lLaw & Social Change. Would it really be too much effort to have a rejection email generated (latter 2 were Scholastica and I have never before had stealth dings on it).

My current offer expires early next week and the sound of silence is deafening!

Posted by: Anonymouse | Sep 4, 2015 8:53:12 PM

Stealth dings from Tennessee and also Arizona State and NYU lLaw & Social Change. Would it really be too much effort to have a rejection email generated (latter 2 were Scholastica and I have never before had stealth dings on it).

My current offer expires early next week and the sound of silence is deafening!

Posted by: Anonymouse | Sep 4, 2015 8:53:10 PM

Anon 11:33: I am wondering the same thing about the T10 environmentals. I did receive a short email from ELQ telling me that would not be able to review my piece by my expedite deadline. I wrote back to let them know that I had received a new offer with a later deadline.

Posted by: o my nona | Sep 4, 2015 7:14:14 PM

I also got the stealth Tennessee Ding. And same situation as moose - 4+ weeks in - 11 dings, no offers, awaiting some kind of response from the remaining 40+ journals. It is ridiculous that we are asked to pay to submit our articles, and yet don't even receive the courtesy of a response.

Posted by: anonanon | Sep 4, 2015 11:57:58 AM

Anyone know if top 10 environmental specialty journals have started reviewing? Normally I get an acknowledgement from ELQ that my piece has been received, but I haven't even gotten that yet.

Posted by: anon | Sep 4, 2015 11:33:44 AM

After one month of angst: I submitted to T100 +/- flagships and 5 specialties. So far, 2 flagship offers, 24 dings total, 4 dings were stealth, 10 dings were from T20, 3 dings were expressly attributable to the expedite process, and crickets from 65 journals.

Posted by: anonaconda | Sep 4, 2015 9:45:23 AM

Ok, this has been my worst submission cycle ever - not in terms of the outcome, but in terms of the process. I submitted to around 65 flagships and 5 specialties about a month ago. Waited three and a half weeks for a T70 offer which expired today. As I was writing my acceptance e-mail a couple of hours ago, I got a T40 offer with a 48 hour acceptance window. During this month I got only 9 dings, and total, annoying, silence from almost 60 journals. Can law review editors who follow this thread explain this behavior? What's going on there? Can't you even send a standard rejection?

Posted by: anoff | Sep 3, 2015 8:15:40 PM

Stealth ding today from Tennessee...

Posted by: Anonymoose | Sep 3, 2015 8:00:37 PM

Anon - you're reading too much into law review decisions.

Posted by: guest | Sep 3, 2015 2:36:25 PM

Question: I submitted to top 50 and, after 3 weeks, just 10 dings. Then Journal X toward the bottom of the list sent me this response:

"We have decided not to accept 'Paper Title' for consideration in X Law Review."

That's the whole text. What does that mean? I know not to read too much into law review decisions, but is that some kind of cryptic signal?

Posted by: Anon | Sep 3, 2015 2:33:11 PM

Anonymoose, sleepless nights and caffeine overdose? It's time to domesticate the base youngsters who control our destinies.

Posted by: anoff | Sep 3, 2015 12:25:20 PM

5 weeks in, no offers, 11 dings, 55 submissions outstanding.

Posted by: Anonymoose | Sep 3, 2015 9:37:41 AM

5 weeks in, no offers, 11 dings, 55 submissions outstanding.

Posted by: Anonymoose | Sep 3, 2015 9:37:29 AM

5 weeks in, no offers, 11 dings, 55 submissions outstanding.

Posted by: Anonymoose | Sep 3, 2015 9:37:28 AM

Just email the helpdesk. They are incredibly responsive.

Posted by: mouse | Sep 3, 2015 12:48:42 AM

Help! Anyone having problems with Scholastica tonight? Trying to submit an article and it just keeps processing but never completes the process. What a time for this to happen!

Posted by: Help | Sep 2, 2015 11:39:29 PM

Northwestern rejection. Submitted 8/26.

Posted by: anon | Sep 2, 2015 9:08:42 PM

Iowa is full.

Posted by: Closed | Sep 2, 2015 1:14:15 PM

It's so quiet that I thought there was a problem with the blog.

Posted by: elvispresley | Sep 2, 2015 6:47:29 AM

It's so quiet that I thought there was a problem with the blog.

Posted by: elvispresley | Sep 2, 2015 6:47:24 AM

Anonymouse - I think the blog is a lot quieter since people are now reporting dings in the spreadsheet.

Posted by: Advice | Sep 2, 2015 2:21:17 AM

william and mary and iowa full

Posted by: anon prof | Sep 2, 2015 12:01:45 AM

This is the quietest cycle I have ever experienced both from the journals and this blog! Anyone hearing anything lately? I thought there would be a lot more activity this week but other than a few full volume emails dead silence. My offer from a specialty expires in 6 days and I am hoping to hear something from the dozens of journals that have not yet rejected me. Are journals this cycle waiting until right at the deadline to respond to expedites?

Posted by: Anonymouse | Sep 2, 2015 12:01:26 AM

UVa is full.

Posted by: Anonymoose | Sep 1, 2015 7:33:52 PM

Problem with the blog?

Posted by: elvispresley | Sep 1, 2015 6:33:26 PM

Submitted 8/14 to T100 and about 20 environmental specialty journals. Three offers from environmental specialty journals outside USN T20. Dings so far from Wisconsin, Notre Dame, Arizona State, Michigan, Michigan State, Cornell, Texas, Texas Env., Yale JREG, Richmond, Baylor, San Diego, Hawaii, and IU-Indianapolis.

Posted by: o my nona | Aug 31, 2015 3:53:34 PM

Has anyone heard from Penn recently? And has anyone received a rejection from USC or GW this cycle?

Posted by: junior.prof | Aug 31, 2015 11:21:15 AM

Okay, I'll contribute. I submitted two weeks ago on 8/17 to about 75 law reviews. No offers yet and ten rejections: Yale (3 days), Michigan (5 days), Hawaii (stealth, 5 days), Cornell (6 days), Notre Dame (8 days), Stanford (9 days), Northwestern (10 days), Georgetown (11 days), Texas (full, 12 days), and NYU (13 days). I'll add this info to the spreadsheet.

Posted by: Anonymish | Aug 31, 2015 10:35:51 AM

Thanks G-Ice! it is definitely slow. I've submitted to more than 20 specialties in my field (IL) and heard nothing before this offer (not even rejections). I think somebody noted above that since specialties get less submissions (naturally) they take more time to start moving.

Posted by: Advice | Aug 31, 2015 8:26:10 AM

Advice: Many congrats on the offer! As mentioned before, I’ve been following the same submission strategy as yours, and, so far, I have 10 rejections (all from the top flagship law reviews plus Yale JREG) and nothing else. It seems that there has been very little movement in the specialties space (at least business law ones).

Posted by: G-Ice | Aug 31, 2015 7:21:39 AM

After weeks of silence, an out of the blue offer from a very good T10 specialty over the wknd. Expedited to general law reviews but frankly ready to wrap up this especially nerve wracking cycle.

Posted by: Advice | Aug 31, 2015 5:41:39 AM

Oregon is full

Posted by: Guest | Aug 30, 2015 7:23:34 PM

Dings from the University of Chicago Law Review and Texas Law Review (full volume)

Posted by: G-Ice | Aug 30, 2015 7:33:55 AM

To make life easier, this is the famous link of dings and offers...


Posted by: elvispresley | Aug 29, 2015 2:53:13 PM

Texas's fall cycle is over.

Posted by: ding dong | Aug 29, 2015 11:43:10 AM

Good decision elvispresley. An extra week is very valuable right now as it seems like all of a sudden journals are waking up and so you should be in a good position to trade up!

Posted by: Anonymouse | Aug 28, 2015 7:12:06 PM

Thank you Advice and Int'l...I kept the T100 offer, instead. It is about 50 positions above and I get one week of expedite. But this was a very, very hard choice...

Posted by: elvispresley | Aug 28, 2015 7:00:13 PM

Anyone get a Columbia Essays stealth ding? Just saw I had one on Scholastica.

Posted by: Anonymouse | Aug 28, 2015 5:28:54 PM

I have!

Posted by: elvispresley | Aug 28, 2015 5:22:35 PM

Has anyone else gotten a YLJ stealth ding this season? Never seen that before.

Posted by: Anon | Aug 28, 2015 4:39:29 PM

Elvis and Heartbreak, the sense that the IL specialties mostly don't start reading until they get back to school in the fall, whereas many main journals start reading early in August. I submitted once on August 1 and heard nothing until after Labor Day from any IL specialties. It ended up well-placed but the process was nerve-wracking.

Posted by: int'l | Aug 28, 2015 2:45:35 PM

Elvis: it depends what your institutional expectations are, but other things equal I would go for the specialty. Many T14 specialties (especially in fields like IL but not only) are very well respected, and are likely to be read more by people in their specific fields than a random mainline that decided to pick a token specialty piece.

Posted by: Advice | Aug 28, 2015 11:36:34 AM

Georgetown ding, submitted 7/27

Posted by: guest | Aug 28, 2015 9:58:46 AM

I would go with the specialty because of the quality of the editorial process will be much better. Also, more likely to get rad by people in your field no?

Posted by: Anonanon | Aug 28, 2015 9:51:13 AM

Decision to make: to accept a t100 flagship (about 80) or a t10 specialty (good one)? Thoughts?

Posted by: elvispresley | Aug 28, 2015 9:31:59 AM

Today must be specialty journal day! Just received an offer from a top 10 specialty in my field (the specialty itself is at a T30 school) but with a rather short deadline (less than a week). Decided to just expedite at other higher ranked specialties and General law reviews at schools ranked T60 or lower. Good strategy? I do not want to expedite at T60 and have them write me off because I have a quick deadline. If I get a better offer I will expedite with that and if not I will have to decide whether to let the offer I have go or not.

Posted by: Anonymouse | Aug 27, 2015 6:36:36 PM

If it is a good specialty journal, I wouldn't reject the offer... But this is always a hard decision! Especially in this environment of silence, a good specialty offer is already a great success I think. I would be happy. This is also my case. Tomorrow is my deadline, and, if nothing happens until then, I can say... happy with my placement.

Posted by: elvispresley | Aug 27, 2015 5:03:32 PM

I'm pretty new to this, so if this question is just silly my apologies.

My offer is about to expire in an hour. It is from a good, specialty journal. But what bugs me is that despite expediting, I haven't heard back from the top ones in this field.

No choice but to accept, right?

Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 27, 2015 3:59:36 PM

My offers were from T10 (Comparative Law) and T40 (International Law). I've gotten offers from other specialties in Public and Constitutional Law (here is my main offer... really happy with this placement) and two flagships (but not so well-ranked... about T200). But no news from the top IL specialties. Total silence. Ding today from UC Davis... Yesterday, from Texas... But that's all! Weird week, and it is almost September. Vanderbilt Transnational said they could not review my Article before my deadline, and that they'll start doing it next week. Maybe we all have submitted quite early in this cycle. Who knows? There is no rationality here...

Posted by: elvispresley | Aug 27, 2015 3:09:23 PM

Has anybody heard from any of the crim journals - J Crim L. & Criminology, AJCL, ACLR, the new ones at Virginia and Stanford?

Posted by: anonanon | Aug 27, 2015 2:05:02 PM

Texas, Stanford, or NYU too.

Sorry forgot those.

Posted by: Heartbreak Hotel | Aug 27, 2015 12:29:57 PM

Hey advice,

Among international law journals, first I had an offer from A T25. Then I expedited and hit the T10.

Seems like none of us have heard from international law journals at Harvard, Virginia, Pennsylvania

Posted by: Heartbreak Hotel | Aug 27, 2015 12:27:17 PM

Elvis and Heartbreak - care to share the W&L ballpark of your offers? I submitted to the top 20 neighborhood and nothing so far (no rejections, no offers). I am wondering if nowadays one has to play the expedite game also here, since in the past you could get decent offers from IL specialties even when submitting narrowly.

Posted by: Advice | Aug 27, 2015 11:09:25 AM

Hey Elvis,

I'm in the same boat. I have offers, a solid one in particular, from various international and comparative law specialties, but it expires today. I didn't hear anything new this morning.

What I'd really like to hear from is the tippy top comparative and international ones.

I'll keep you posted Elvis. Have you heard back, one way or another, from the top two or thee comparative and international law specialties?

Posted by: Heartbreak Hotel | Aug 27, 2015 10:52:37 AM

Advice, I've received some offers from International and Comparative Law specialties... but this was last week. This week is really, really, really quiet. And tomorrow is my deadline... Let's see what the future holds...

Posted by: elvispresley | Aug 27, 2015 10:41:31 AM

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