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Tuesday, August 05, 2014

Submission angsting thread, Fall 2014

It has been a semi-annual Prawfs tradition to provide a space for questions, answers, comments, complaints, and general angst about the article submission windows. (Dan spoke, and Matt still speaks, reverently of this as the time of Redyip's semi-annual return).

Either way, the "Fall" submission window is open and angsting may commence.

So, if you are an author or law review editor and want to share information about your submission experience to the law reviews, this is the place to do it. If you have questions about the process, this is the place to do it. Feel free to use the comments to share your information (and gripes or praise) about which journals you have heard from, which you have not, etc. Have at it. And do it reasonably nicely, pretty please.

Update: the last page of comments is here.

Posted by Howard Wasserman on August 5, 2014 at 02:42 PM in Howard Wasserman, Teaching Law | Permalink


Anyone submit to the Washington & Lee exclusive review program? Heard anything yet?

Posted by: Anonymoose | Nov 25, 2014 7:53:04 PM

a-b-anon: My first time submitting, I sent a form e-mail response to most of my ding e-mails explaining that it was my first rodeo and asking for feedback but understanding that of course, it was cool if they didn't have time, etc. The vast majority of journals ignored it, but some of the better schools wrote back (some of them is classy like that) and gave me some really helpful feedback.

So I don't know whether it's "appropriate," but if you've got the time and the chutzpah, give it a go!

Posted by: Frankie | Oct 5, 2014 12:25:02 AM

UC Davis ding...no expedite

Posted by: anonym | Oct 3, 2014 8:38:29 PM

BU ding. No expedite.

Posted by: Anon | Oct 3, 2014 5:05:33 PM

Just got dinged from Harvard. Woohoo.

Soliciting advice -- I'm a current JD who submitted an article this cycle. Still haven't heard from a bunch of journals, but I'm not holding my breath. Is it appropriate to follow up with any of these journals asking for feedback? If I'm going to take a stab at the spring submission season, I'd really like to know if there's something big I can change.

Also happy to hear advice about submissions as a JD to other journals.

Posted by: a-b-anon | Oct 2, 2014 12:47:37 AM

Oops, just saw UCLA posted as full. Ignore my query on that front.

Posted by: anona | Sep 30, 2014 10:46:23 PM

Anyone heard from Chicago or California or UCLA recently? It sounds like California has been pretty non-responsive generally this season, but I wasn't sure about the others. I also recently got a Cornell rejection, which did not say they were full.

Posted by: anona | Sep 30, 2014 8:54:09 PM

Alabama says it's stopped reviewing and its current volume is full.

Posted by: Anon | Sep 30, 2014 2:30:05 PM

I got a rejection from Cornell 5 days ago. It didn't say that they were full, so maybe they're still reviewing. Hope springs eternal...

Posted by: anonym | Sep 30, 2014 12:39:07 PM

Is Cornell done? anyone else not get a rejection from them?

I also received the Arizona email.

Posted by: anon | Sep 30, 2014 12:08:39 PM

Arizona emailed me recently to see if my piece was still available. Looks like they're still actively reviewing.

Posted by: A-Anon | Sep 30, 2014 10:52:41 AM

W&M is full. Anyone hear any further word from Arizona?

Posted by: Anonymoose | Sep 29, 2014 9:39:07 PM

Northwestern is closed

Posted by: anon | Sep 29, 2014 6:36:48 PM

Update on print submissions: as of last week Ohio State was still reviewing and ASU was giving offers.

I'm wondering if folks have advice about submissions to online companions. I submitted to a handful of top places on the perhaps mistaken assumption that that process is not expedite driven, since it is rolling. That was ten days ago and I don't even have a rejection. I'm thinking now about submitting to more. Does anyone have experience with how online essay submissions work? Thanks in advance!

Posted by: Anon | Sep 29, 2014 9:48:02 AM

HYS student, I don't see how your current offer helps your resume.

Posted by: ken | Sep 28, 2014 8:05:18 PM

HYS student, I don't see how that would help you much. I don't think judges will care if a piece is published or not, just whether it's good. And as a current student, you're prevented from submitting your work to many journals, meaning you can probably get a higher placement than T75 secondary if you just wait. Keep in mind that once you publish an article with a law review, it's OUT THERE, and there's no going back. So if your views change, or you realize (once you've been in practice) that your analysis isn't as sophisticated as you thought, it will be too late. I often think about a similar opportunity I had in school, and find myself relieved that I didn't publish what I now think was pretty sloppy and ideologically problematic work.

Posted by: FirstResponder | Sep 28, 2014 10:33:18 AM

HYS student concerned with clerkships applications and future government jobs. Have an offer to publish an article in a secondary journal at a school ranked in the top 75. Should I take it? Should I keep working on the paper (it could be better) and try to get it published in a better journal? Any and all thoughts appreciated.

Posted by: HYS student | Sep 28, 2014 1:17:17 AM

William and Mary - full.

Posted by: Vizzini | Sep 27, 2014 4:03:23 PM

Not quite because, according to this, no court of law required the author to pay anything.

Posted by: Anon | Sep 27, 2014 11:00:25 AM

Anon: Here's one example for you:

Posted by: Toni | Sep 27, 2014 10:21:01 AM

regarding provisions in publishing agreements, isn't this just law students practicing how to be lawyers? Can anyone cite a single instance where a law review has actually been sued and an author required by a court of law to indemnify?

Posted by: Anon | Sep 27, 2014 8:03:58 AM

UCLA is full

Posted by: anon | Sep 26, 2014 8:52:51 PM

anyone heard from Harvard lately?
so quiet, so many journals ignoring my expedites.

Posted by: Anon | Sep 26, 2014 4:29:12 PM

Toni, glad to help. Good luck.

Posted by: Late in the Game | Sep 26, 2014 4:08:58 PM

Thank you, Late in the Game. I've downloaded the article and passed the link to my colleague. If more of us challenge these provisions, perhaps we can come to a better compromise.

Posted by: Toni | Sep 26, 2014 3:16:04 PM

Toni, you should of course be concerned with an indemnity clause. If you want to see a hypothetical negotiation pushing back on unreasonable provisions in a publication agreement see http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2203106.

Posted by: Late in the Game | Sep 26, 2014 2:25:46 PM

Yes, and I've used their inclusion or exclusion as a deciding factor between otherwise comparable offers.

Posted by: BAG | Sep 26, 2014 2:19:45 PM

As you accept offers, have you noticed an increase in the number of law review contracts with indemnification clauses? My understanding is that law schools will not cover law professors if these clauses become effective, meaning you are left paying all the costs of any lawsuit, even frivolous ones. One of my colleagues is dealing with a very draconian clause from a T25 school. The school is resistant to removing it, but has offered to look at any changes she wants to make. Is anyone else concerned about these clauses?

Posted by: Toni | Sep 26, 2014 10:47:12 AM

North Carolina is now closed

Posted by: anon | Sep 26, 2014 5:35:33 AM

Arizona ding, no expedite. Nothing hapoening all season.

See this link, re: fall season: http://www.thefacultylounge.org/2014/09/is-there-still-a-fall-submission-season-for-law-reviews.html

Posted by: Anon | Sep 25, 2014 5:42:34 PM

Has anyone who received the Arizona email heard anything since?

Posted by: Anony DiFranco | Sep 25, 2014 5:27:56 PM

Just got my Cornell rejection, not off expedite! Submitted mid-August....

Posted by: anonym | Sep 25, 2014 10:11:09 AM

Anon, we must always bear in mind that correlation does not imply causation, but I can tell you that the offer arrived after I expedited to the journal.

So maybe the expediting produced the offer. I like to think the awesomenitude of the writing also played a role. :-)

Posted by: Frankie | Sep 24, 2014 10:57:20 PM

Frankie, so did your expediting actually produce any additional offers this season? (Is your T10 specialty the product of an expedite?)Thanks.

Posted by: Anon | Sep 24, 2014 8:20:36 AM

Cornell dinged me a while back, but I never did hear from Cal. I also got the ding from Texas today, but I thought they sent it to be classy and let me know by my expedite deadline. What a fool am I!

I'm done, and quite happy with the results. T10 specialty journal, solid placement, don't have to think about it anymore.

I'll talk to y'all again in February!

Posted by: Frankie | Sep 23, 2014 11:50:56 PM

Received a Cornell ding off an expedite last Wed.

Posted by: Specialty2 | Sep 23, 2014 6:05:23 PM

Nothing from Cornell and California since I submitted in July. How is that for customer service?!

Posted by: westcoastprof | Sep 23, 2014 5:14:24 PM

received rejection(?) email saying Texas is full

Posted by: anon | Sep 23, 2014 1:13:53 PM

Texas is now closed on Scholastica

Posted by: anon923 | Sep 23, 2014 12:27:21 PM

Nothing from Cornell and California after several weeks.

Posted by: anon915 | Sep 23, 2014 12:00:27 PM

Are California and Cornell closed? anyone hearing from them?

Posted by: anon | Sep 23, 2014 11:27:59 AM

7:47:56 - Harvard rejection came over the weekend (not off expedite, submitted mid August).

Posted by: anon | Sep 23, 2014 8:24:44 AM

any word from Harvard or Cornell in the last few days?

Posted by: Anon | Sep 23, 2014 7:47:56 AM

I received the Arizona email on 9/20, two days after my expedite deadline of 9/18. I replied with revised expedite info. No response.

Posted by: specialty2 | Sep 22, 2014 2:57:58 PM

The Arizona emails do seem expedite-specific, since I have not yet expedited and have not received one.

Posted by: Anon | Sep 22, 2014 10:50:17 AM

Is Arizona giving full board read notification e-mails this cycle? If so, approximately how long after receiving the under review e-mail?

Posted by: Anonymoose | Sep 21, 2014 10:26:09 PM

I also just received an "under review" e-mail from Arizona. My sense is it's a form e-mail, though it took several expedite requests for me to get one.

Posted by: specialtyq | Sep 21, 2014 9:29:50 PM

Wash U is closed

Posted by: anon915 | Sep 21, 2014 9:19:43 PM

Thanks Vizzini. It came so late (three weeks after I submitted & 5 days after expedite) that I wasn't sure.

Posted by: Newbee | Sep 21, 2014 6:53:40 PM

Newbee, this is their standard response this season

Posted by: Vizzini | Sep 21, 2014 6:24:43 PM

Expedited to Arizona and received e-mail response saying article is under review. Does anyone know if this is a form response? Does "under review" mean in final review?

Posted by: Newbee | Sep 21, 2014 5:13:27 PM

Okay, fun question. What was the most articles you ever had accepted in a single cycle? (E.g., during either the August or Winter season.) Any one have stories of grandeur?

Posted by: Anon | Sep 21, 2014 10:20:53 AM

"biggest ranking disparity" would be really misleading. e.g. expediting from a T250 to T100 is a change of ~150, but the jump from T100 to T25 is practically much "bigger."

Posted by: A-Anon | Sep 20, 2014 6:48:27 PM

What's the biggest ranking disparity that folks have experienced with a successful expedite?

For example, has anyone ever received a T50 flagship offer having expedited based on, say, a T250 flagship offer?

Posted by: Anon | Sep 20, 2014 8:09:48 AM

Thanks everyone for your thoughts.

Posted by: Late in the game | Sep 19, 2014 11:34:17 PM

Late in the game: I have not tried that kind of thing; I have heard of people trying it, but I think it would be pretty difficult to know if that kind of thing works. But if you have moral qualms about the expedite game (and I share them, although for me the qualms resonate more in the realm of professional ethics than morality), I think the best way to deal with that is to only submit your article to journals from which you would be pleased to receive an offer. You can still expedite, of course, but at least you would not be submitting to a journal for the sole purpose of obtaining an offer that you can use to expedite.

Posted by: ICHTY | Sep 19, 2014 9:05:21 PM

Re Late in the Game, all I can say is that I've tried stuff like that, and it might have helped, but I don't know. For example, I expedited off a T120 flagship (and it was late in the game) and wrote in the expedite message that I would accept the first offer that I received. I got a barely T100 offer shortly thereafter, but they said nothing about my promise to accept. I gladly accepted, but I don't know whether my e-mail had anything to do with the offer.

Posted by: Frankie | Sep 19, 2014 7:02:42 PM

I'd also like to hear thoughts on Late in the Game's question; I'm inclined to do this myself.

Posted by: Ano[n]ther | Sep 19, 2014 5:31:37 PM

Boston College ding off expedite.

Posted by: Nona | Sep 19, 2014 2:31:41 PM

I have moral qualms about the expedite game and generally just like to accept the first offer. Does anyone have any thoughts about just telling law reviews that I don't like the expedite game and plan to accept the first offer so long as the publication agreement is reasonable? Do any of you do this? Thanks for any feedback you might have.

Posted by: Late in the game | Sep 19, 2014 12:50:05 PM

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