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Saturday, February 01, 2014

Redyip's return: Angsting Thread Spring 2014 edition

So I understand Redyip is still waking up from his dogmatic winter slumber but the commenters on the prior thread are clamoring for him to brush his teeth and be on his way, so if you are an author or law review editor and want to share information about your submission experience to the law reviews, this is the place to do it. Feel free to use the comments to share your information (and gripes or praise) about which law reviews have turned over, which ones haven't yet, and where you've heard from, and where you've not, and what you'd like Redyip to bring you for Purim, etc. It's the semi-annual angsting thread for the law review submission season. Have at it. And do it reasonably nicely, pretty please.

If you're interested in asking Redyip questions, BDG might come out of the woodwork too to conduct an interview. Here's the last installation of back and forth.

Update: link to final page of comments here.

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Seekingadvice: It probably depends on the perceived caliber of the specialty journal. I think it's probably too late to do waves at this point.

Question for experienced folks: when you decline an offer do you tell them the journal you accepted from? Does anyone ask?

Posted by: expediteq | Apr 5, 2014 9:33:47 PM

I submitted my article last week and have received an offer from a T14 specialty journal. Is it better to expedite all the way or should I do it in waves(say to T7 specialty journals + T50 - T100 general law reviews)? My concern with expediting it all the way is that some of T50 law reviews may devalue the submission because it is a T14 acceptance, as compared to how they would view it than if they had picked it out of the pile on their own accord. On the other hand, the T50s may not read it at all without the expedite. Any thoughts or comments would be appreciated. Thanks.

Posted by: seekingadvice | Apr 5, 2014 7:45:11 PM

Is it worth emailing expedite requests to journals individually through their journal emails in addition to expediting through expresso?

Posted by: newtothis | Apr 5, 2014 7:44:06 PM

George Mason ding off expedite

Posted by: newtothis | Apr 5, 2014 10:25:35 AM

Congrats to those who accepted offers!

Also, Pepperdine ding.

Posted by: Anonsensical | Apr 5, 2014 1:56:52 AM

I agree. This thread is a helpful place to vent during this stressful period.

I accepted my T7 speciality offer. Happy with the result. Best of luck to everyone else.

Posted by: anon2014 / AnonWaiting | Apr 5, 2014 1:04:43 AM

Congrats SoQuiet. Recall the nature of the process when you will be making decisions regarding junior's future, lateral hiring, or any other ranking-dependent moments. I know I will remind myself how arbitrary and luck-dependent the final placement may be.

Posted by: Dinged | Apr 4, 2014 5:44:35 PM

SoQuiet: Congrats! Where did you ultimately land? (the range)

Posted by: Pan | Apr 4, 2014 5:44:09 PM

Well, I'm done. My deadline came and passed with no reaction to my expedite, so I accepted the offer in hand. Best of luck to all of you still waiting! I really appreciate all the support and insights from this thread.

Posted by: SoQuiet | Apr 4, 2014 5:14:21 PM

North Carolina ding off expedite.

Posted by: anonsensical | Apr 4, 2014 11:42:42 AM

I did that as well. My deadline was several hours earlier than the deadline for my pending offer. But I did that mostly because I will be traveling then.

Posted by: newtothis | Apr 4, 2014 10:59:23 AM

I always disclose the name of the journal(s) where I have an offer(s) pending. I also always set my deadline for a response with several hours to spare before my actual deadline.

Posted by: Pan | Apr 4, 2014 8:30:00 AM

Do you mention the exact journal that gave them an offer when they expedite? If not, how do refer to it?

Posted by: expediteq | Apr 4, 2014 7:48:12 AM

To start receiving responses that is.

Posted by: Pan | Apr 4, 2014 7:11:25 AM

I usually find that two days is about right.

Posted by: Pan | Apr 4, 2014 7:10:29 AM

What's the usual turn around time from expedite to response?

Posted by: newtothis | Apr 3, 2014 10:40:08 PM

re anonsensical:

I've expedited twice to Conn. -- about a week ago and then last night. I wasn't within a ~2 days of my deadline for either expedite.

Posted by: aaa | Apr 3, 2014 6:31:39 PM

aaa - When did you expedite to Conn.?

Posted by: anonsensical | Apr 3, 2014 6:08:37 PM

I received an email that ND was full off a T100 expedite. Also, Conn. ding.

Posted by: aaa | Apr 3, 2014 5:01:51 PM

I also received an almost immediate ding from Virginia (submitted 3/9). Haven't yet heard from the others.

Posted by: Anonsensical | Apr 3, 2014 1:58:11 PM

Pan: Same answer as Dinged, but also dinged by Virginia around time I first submitted (late Feb). I appreciate North Carolina spring cleaning and wish the other journals would do the same if they are done reviewing.

Posted by: SoQuiet | Apr 3, 2014 1:30:18 PM

Agree with Pan.

Posted by: Anonsensical | Apr 3, 2014 1:20:55 PM

I would expedite all the way up. It is too late in the cycle for waves.

Posted by: Pan | Apr 3, 2014 1:00:50 PM

Offer at a top 100 this morning. Expedite all the way up given how late it is in the cycle, or only to top 50ish?

Posted by: newtothis | Apr 3, 2014 11:33:35 AM

Ding UNC

Posted by: Pan | Apr 3, 2014 11:06:01 AM


Posted by: Pan | Apr 3, 2014 11:05:31 AM

Pan: I was dinged by California and USC. Have not heard from the others despite expedite requests.

Posted by: Dinged | Apr 3, 2014 11:04:21 AM

Got the same ding from N Carolina this am, off expedite. Perhaps they are doing "spring cleaning" of all the leftovers

Posted by: Dinged | Apr 3, 2014 11:00:27 AM

Anyone heard from: Stanford, Columbia, Virginia, California, Duke, USC, or Alabama?

Posted by: Pan | Apr 3, 2014 11:00:02 AM

Haven't heard a peep from Emory. They were previously identified as serial nonresponders.

Posted by: soquiet | Apr 3, 2014 10:50:03 AM

Ding from North Carolina. Expedite deadline tomorrow.

Posted by: soquiet | Apr 3, 2014 10:33:00 AM

Emory - I've sent several articles to them, no response.

Posted by: YoungProf | Apr 3, 2014 9:56:52 AM

Have anyone heard from Emory?

Posted by: wondering | Apr 3, 2014 9:36:24 AM

Dinged: you know, I'd love it if I could choose. Would love to hand the T60 flagship offer off to one of the anxious anons left here.

I feel all of your pain. I sat and stewed in law review silence, with a few meagre dings, for weeks and weeks, tuned in here and commenting from time to time. And then, out of nowhere, an offer, then another offer off an expedite, and then a third offer off that expedite, literally all within the span of 5 days. And then, silence again. So, I've made my decision!

Here's hoping my T60 flagship spot will go to one of the many anons on this thread! Best wishes dinged!

Posted by: anon2014 | Apr 2, 2014 11:00:30 PM

anon2014: could I please take your T60? :-) More seriously: congrats!!!

Posted by: dinged | Apr 2, 2014 10:46:46 PM

Many thanks to anon, anonlaw, Pan, and everyone else chiming with advice in on my T7 speciality vs T60 flagship decision, many thanks. I'm going with the T7!

Posted by: anon2014 | Apr 2, 2014 10:27:36 PM

Oh, and have you ever served on a T&P Committee?

Posted by: Pan | Apr 2, 2014 4:14:42 PM

A: Have you ever served on a Faculty Recruitment Committee?

Posted by: Pan | Apr 2, 2014 4:13:49 PM

Really, people here spend way too much time on nonsense. Whether Tenn (or any other review) is ranked 60 or 90 is irrelevant. Of course there is a distinction between a T14 and a T60 but to wrangle over the significance of T60 vs T75 or T90 is absurd. Whether your article makes a significant contribution is what matters.

Posted by: A | Apr 2, 2014 1:28:44 PM

Old Hand: I look for trending and only use US News (emphasis on peer component). Thus, any one year isn't particularly important for me.

Posted by: Pan | Apr 2, 2014 1:03:31 PM

Hey all,

How do you account for fluctuations in USNews rankings when evaluating the relative strength of a law review (especially where the W&L ranking doesn't sync with the USNews ranking). E.g., Tennessee Law Review is ranked 97 according to W&L. But until recently, Tennessee Law School was ranked in the high 50s and low 60s. This year it was ranked 72. So, would you treat the Tennessee Law Review as around the 60th best law review (historically, about where Tenn. has fallen in the rankings), around the 75th best law review (where Tenn. is currently ranked), or around the 100th best law review (where W&L puts them)? Those are fairly substantial differences. Washington & Lee is another good example of this (until recently the school was in the top 30 in USNWR, but their law review is right around 50 in the W&L ranking).

Posted by: Old Hand | Apr 2, 2014 12:59:27 PM

Also got the Notre Dame email.

Posted by: anonsensical | Apr 2, 2014 12:55:57 PM

aaa - not sure; that category might not be as "strong" as the int'l or business ones.

Posted by: anonlaw | Apr 2, 2014 12:43:14 PM

aaa - not sure; that category might not be as "strong" as the int'l or business ones.

Posted by: anonlaw | Apr 2, 2014 12:43:14 PM

anonlaw et al. -- what about if the secondary journal does "law & policy" (or something similarly general)?

Posted by: aaa | Apr 2, 2014 11:47:45 AM

NYU ding; Michigan ding

Posted by: anonlaw | Apr 2, 2014 11:39:24 AM

Anon2014, I agree with Anon but for corporate law as well as international law. I'd take the t7 over the 70 flagship.

Posted by: anonlaw | Apr 2, 2014 11:37:41 AM

NYU twitter feed says they're done reviewing til August.

Posted by: anon | Apr 2, 2014 10:58:44 AM

NYU and Notre Dame dings. Notre Dame's email state that they have filled their volume and welcome submissions for the next volume in February 2015. So no fall season for them...

Posted by: anonym | Apr 2, 2014 10:25:03 AM

NYU ding

Posted by: unonimoose | Apr 2, 2014 10:24:07 AM

I agree with anon on all accounts.

Posted by: Pan | Apr 2, 2014 6:59:27 AM

anon: thanks a tonne!

Posted by: anon2014 | Apr 1, 2014 11:00:34 PM

Anon2014, for international law, I would lean towards the t7 because international law journals tend to get read by a wide range of readers and are pretty well regarded in the top 10. For corporate or business I would look at W and L rankings and probably take the flagship. Congrats on your options.

Posted by: anon | Apr 1, 2014 10:38:28 PM

Fordham ding off expedite.

Posted by: Anonsensical | Apr 1, 2014 8:54:03 PM

Hey all, here's a decision: I have an offer from a T7 speciality ("hard law" topic-- ie business law, corporate law, international law) vs a Top 70 flagship, wherein the flagship is ranked higher on W&L.

Based on advice of some people/mentors, I'm leaning toward the T7 speciality, but thought I'd get some input from here...


Posted by: anon2014 | Apr 1, 2014 8:14:34 PM

I agree! My deadline is friday and I am sort of wishing I had made it earlier. I have seen some other colleagues with deadlines monday receive offers and I wonder if their expedite date put them"un line" earlier than those of us with later expedite date.

Posted by: soquiet | Apr 1, 2014 8:14:13 PM

NYU ding, off expedite.

Tiredanon - I'm in a somewhat similar situation. I'm not sure if my slow progression up the rankings is improving my chances at all or if it's just slowing down the rejections because I keep giving the journals more time.

Posted by: Anonsensical | Apr 1, 2014 7:44:49 PM

Tired: Congrats! It sounds like you are making a good run of it.

Posted by: Pan | Apr 1, 2014 6:16:00 PM

tiredanon -- congrats! What general level journal is this (T14? T50? T100? etc)?

Posted by: aaa | Apr 1, 2014 5:53:12 PM

I got an offer yesterday, off my third round of expedites. So some journals still have openings. Have expedited yet again, but I doubt that much will come of it this late in the game. The journals that didn't respond to my first three expedites seem unlikely to respond to the fourth one.

Posted by: tiredanon | Apr 1, 2014 5:43:12 PM

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