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Saturday, February 01, 2014

Redyip's return: Angsting Thread Spring 2014 edition

So I understand Redyip is still waking up from his dogmatic winter slumber but the commenters on the prior thread are clamoring for him to brush his teeth and be on his way, so if you are an author or law review editor and want to share information about your submission experience to the law reviews, this is the place to do it. Feel free to use the comments to share your information (and gripes or praise) about which law reviews have turned over, which ones haven't yet, and where you've heard from, and where you've not, and what you'd like Redyip to bring you for Purim, etc. It's the semi-annual angsting thread for the law review submission season. Have at it. And do it reasonably nicely, pretty please.

If you're interested in asking Redyip questions, BDG might come out of the woodwork too to conduct an interview. Here's the last installation of back and forth.

Update: link to final page of comments here.

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May your dear friend rest in Christ's Peace.

Posted by: N.D. | Mar 6, 2015 4:15:29 PM

to anon: thanks for letting us know about the new thread. I was wondering if no one wrote papers this summer ;)

Posted by: westcoastprof | Aug 19, 2014 6:06:52 PM

to recent posters: there is another thread for this season going on - I don't know how to link to it but look for "submission angsting thread, Fall 2014"

Posted by: anon | Aug 19, 2014 7:40:28 AM

I got a few dings, but almost everyone else did not reply. Seems like a dead season.

Posted by: YoungProf1 | Aug 19, 2014 3:52:19 AM

it sure is quiet on here.

Posted by: westcoastprof | Aug 18, 2014 2:35:01 PM

Rejection from Harvard Law & Policy Review.

Posted by: Proffy | Aug 14, 2014 11:51:13 AM

Just checked my inactive folder on Expresso - stealth ding from Maryland.

Posted by: Andonanon | Aug 5, 2014 4:43:19 PM

Oh and rejections from Washington and Baylor. Still, it only takes one, right?

Posted by: Angsty | Aug 5, 2014 8:14:28 AM

I noticed a few questions regarding the best place to find submission opening announcements for journals and wanted to offer this link to the Scholastica blog: http://blog.scholasticahq.com/post/93527855883/which-law-reviews-are-open-for-submissions-on#.U-AEQFYtnIY

We created an interactive table on the blog that is updating automatically as journals open for submissions. You can search and sort this table to find out which journals are open for submissions on Scholastica by category. We will also be tweeting submission opening updates with the hashtag: #LawSubF14

We hope this resource is helpful to you!

Danielle Padula, Community Development at Scholastica

Posted by: Danielle Padula | Aug 4, 2014 6:13:31 PM

Already dinged by U Chicago. A day after I submitted.

Posted by: Proffy | Aug 4, 2014 5:15:11 PM


I post on SSRN at the same time as I submit to journals. I've noticed no relationship btw SSRN and publication offers, but I have a colleague who has received decent publication offers through SSRN.

Submitted 7/23, dings from W&L, Michigan State, Berkeley Bus., Cornell Online, and Baylor.

Posted by: ken | Aug 4, 2014 5:00:00 PM

Submitted 7/25.....dings from Texas, Michigan State, San Diego, Case Western....full committee review from a T70

Posted by: Angsty | Aug 4, 2014 3:49:43 PM

U Chicago ding

Posted by: nanoonanoo | Aug 4, 2014 2:30:24 PM

Submitted 8/1. Case Western ding this morning.

Posted by: Andonanon | Aug 4, 2014 12:58:54 PM

I submitted 7/31 and 8/1. Rejection from Wisconsin.

I've been advised to post to SSRN before submitting, and have usually done that in the past, but for me it hasn't seemed to make a huge difference either way.

Posted by: despondanon | Aug 4, 2014 10:45:58 AM

Submitted 8/1. Record ding in 3 minutes from Harvard J of Legislation. Otherwise, silence.

Posted by: anon | Aug 4, 2014 8:36:12 AM

Another newbie question: when do you post a draft to SSRN? Before you have any acceptances? Or do you wait until you have at least one?

Posted by: Nona | Aug 3, 2014 10:02:38 PM

Due to unusual circumstances, I submitted at the start of the month too. It is very early though, and I would be surprised ot hear anythign until the middle of the month.

Posted by: Anon | Aug 3, 2014 1:48:45 PM

Anyone submit yet? Any movement? I submitted on 8/1. So far a rejection from Texas, otherwise radio silence.

Posted by: Andonanon | Aug 3, 2014 1:20:48 PM

Thanks. This is my first round - I didn't realize how tricky the August cycle is.

Posted by: Nona | Aug 1, 2014 12:23:04 PM

Just don't submit early to journals you don't really want to publish with, because if you get an early offer from one of them, you can end up with a problem.

My past experience is that you can wait until at least the last week of August and not be late.

Posted by: ken | Aug 1, 2014 12:20:10 PM

I think lots of them never update their websites. If they're not open on Expresso or Scholastica, they're probably not reading. But also, just because they're "open" doesn't mean they're necessarily reading, either!

Posted by: TGP | Aug 1, 2014 12:16:44 PM

What's up with the law reviews that say they're accepting on their websites, but are closed on Scholastica?

Posted by: Nona | Aug 1, 2014 12:10:41 PM

I'm going to submit on August 1st. Looks like a lot of journals are open, though who knows if anyone is reading yet.

Posted by: TGP | Jul 28, 2014 5:52:11 PM

Anyone lurking around here? Is August 1 too early to submit?

Posted by: Helo? | Jul 18, 2014 4:47:22 PM

Thanks! have a great summer.

Posted by: Proffy | Jun 17, 2014 3:56:40 PM

It's sad I still check this page. I just heard of someone getting an offer from a top 40 school, but generally I think sometime in the second or third week of August is when things get going again.

Posted by: Andonanon | Jun 17, 2014 1:48:46 PM

What is the scoop on when to start sending things out in the summer? When is too early and too late? Thanks!

Posted by: Proffy | Jun 15, 2014 11:19:11 PM

Sorry - mid-August = Mid-March. I guess my unconscious mind is saying wait until the Fall.....

Posted by: tony smith | Apr 25, 2014 1:09:27 PM

Sent out LONG article - with lots of social science -- in mid-August. Got 3 top10 secondary offers and two top100 main journal offers. Let the main journals go. Trying to decide whether to rework and resubmit or just keep moving.

PS: I'm tenured and sort of tired of the games. BUT - I know that the piece would get more attention in a higher platform. Complicated.

Posted by: tony smith | Apr 25, 2014 1:03:42 PM

Probably over, but some dribbles still happening. Two colleagues had offers in the past few days, one T20, one T50.

Posted by: AnonandAnonandAnon | Apr 18, 2014 2:17:48 PM

Seems over now?

Posted by: Andonanon | Apr 17, 2014 2:43:48 PM

Its not over. Offer from T40.

Posted by: Matt Saracen | Apr 13, 2014 8:13:23 PM

I'm done! This was my first article, and I have no letterhead, so I'm very happy with the result.

Final timeline:

-->Submitted to T14 journals at the beginning of March.

-->Submitted to T100 journals + T10 specialties in the middle of March

-->Offer from T10 specialty in the last week of March, expedited all of the way up.

-->Offer from a T100 and T75 journal in quick succession about a week into my expedite.

-->Happily accepted at the T75!


In the end, I received rejections from all but one of the T14 and all but a couple of the T30. I maybe heard back from 40-50% of schools from T30 on down. Obviously things would have been more ideal if I heard back from everywhere, but honestly I felt like I was receiving more than enough rejections to feel like my piece was being actively reviewed. Also, none of my three acceptances came with any warning of board review or anything else.

Best of luck to everyone, and I'm sure I'll see you in a future one of these threads!

Posted by: abl | Apr 11, 2014 4:17:38 PM

I find particularly funny the journals that send out the "after careful consideration" and "difficult decision" rejections that are sent within a day or 2 of submission.

Posted by: A | Apr 10, 2014 3:17:27 PM

I just got a rejection from a journal saying the usual stuff about how they enjoyed my submission and were sorry they couldn't make me an offer at this time. I happen to know that this journal has been full for over a month - in fact, I found out a few days after submitting that it had been full before I even submitted.

I wonder why they can't just send out an auto-ding when they are full - some other journals do. I guess, even though I know better, I was hoping that some of the places who rejected it did, in fact, actually read it. And I'm sure that some did. I just wonder how many write to tell you that your article didn't pass their editorial muster when they didn't even look at it. Oh well.

Posted by: Anonsensical | Apr 10, 2014 10:21:52 AM

I'm a newbie in this American system of Law journals selection. I've finished an article during a post-doctoral research in Europe, and, since it has a strong connection to American constitutionalism, I decided to submit it through ExpressO and Scholastica. Up to now, lots of dings (Yale, Michigan, Cardozo, Connecticut, George Washington, Iowa, Notre Dame, Chicago, Yale, Columbia, Cornell). However, lots of "under review". I know that many journals do not contact the author indicating their decisions, but... Is there any hope?

Most of my submissions took place in March (15th and 19th). No answer from Duke, Florida State, South Carolina, UCLA, Arizona State, Boston College, California, Northwestern, Michigan State, Arizona, Dartmouth, Maryland, Houston, Emory, American, Miami) and some specialty journals (Buffalo Public Interest Law, Cardozo Public Law, Policy & Ethics, Northwestern Interdisciplinary, Texas Review of Law & Politics, William & Mary Bill of Rights, U Penn Journal of Constitutional Law, Hastings Constitutional Law, Duke Journal of Constitutional Law and Public Policy).

I am a tenured Professor (but not in US), with some articles and books published (some in English). Is it too hard for a foreigner to have his article published in this student-edited system?

All my previous articles were published in peer and blind review journals. Well... a complete different world. This does not mean better, but really different...

Besides, the article I submitted has around 18.000 words. This is quite big for many peer and blind review journals worldwide, but might be way too short for American standards. Is it also a problem?

Sorry for so many questions, but I read, read, read all posts here (really great and helpful!), and, still, many doubts, doubts...

Thanks a lot!

Posted by: The Foreigner | Apr 10, 2014 9:55:45 AM

I would go with the general-interest law review so that you can rely on proxies for perceived merit and not have to worry as much about the actual substance of your paper.


Author who has no idea why someone doesn't start a campaign to make the law review submissions process entirely anonymous

Posted by: AnonForAll | Apr 9, 2014 10:45:55 AM

I have an article that I was going to submit to a peer-reviewed journal but that I now think might be appropriate for a general-interest law review. Is it too late to submit now? I don't want to sound arrogant, but I have very good letterhead and several past T10 publications, so I think the submission might attract attention despite its tardiness. (I don't want to wait until August to submit because I plan to have other pieces to submit then.) Thoughts?

Posted by: Too Late? | Apr 9, 2014 2:47:02 AM

Stanford ding, off expedite

Posted by: Dinged | Apr 8, 2014 1:14:00 PM

UCLA is full.

Posted by: anonish | Apr 8, 2014 1:12:38 PM

Northwestern is still reviewing.

Posted by: aaa | Apr 8, 2014 9:30:29 AM

Georgetown is full.

Posted by: AnotherANON | Apr 7, 2014 11:27:04 PM

I don't know, CP - the slowness today made me anxious, but I had nothing to report myself so...

Posted by: Anonsensical | Apr 7, 2014 9:40:14 PM

Any sense of whether Georgetown, UCLA, Northwestern, Cal-Berkeley, or Duke are still reviewing? Have yet to hear back from any of them.

Posted by: charlie | Apr 7, 2014 8:57:56 PM

Tick tock. Tick tock. Does no posts today mean this cycle is ending/has ended?

Posted by: CP | Apr 7, 2014 7:17:23 PM

I notified some higher ranked journals through expresso about my expedite request. Is it worth it to email the editors as well?

Posted by: newtothis | Apr 6, 2014 10:20:16 PM

Connecticut is full.

Posted by: Anonsensical | Apr 6, 2014 8:00:52 PM

It's definitely slow going now, but there is still some movement. I turned down two T50 offers in favor of a T40 offer over the last 4 days (last deadline was Friday, new expedite deadline ends this coming Thursday).

Posted by: CBR | Apr 6, 2014 4:26:28 PM

Minnesota ding off of expedite. I'm wondering if the T50 are done - doesn't seem like anyone has reported any movement other than dings there for quite a while.

Posted by: Anonsensical | Apr 6, 2014 4:04:22 PM

I submitted in early March. The ding was off expedite.

Posted by: Pan | Apr 6, 2014 3:31:42 PM

Pan - do you mind saying when you submitted to Columbia? Was the ding off expedite? Thanks!

Posted by: anonish | Apr 6, 2014 2:21:38 PM

anonymizer: I would go for the specialty.

Posted by: Pan | Apr 6, 2014 1:50:26 PM

Ding Columbia

Posted by: Pan | Apr 6, 2014 1:49:03 PM

William & Mary is full.

Posted by: anonish | Apr 6, 2014 1:06:54 PM

@ new at this: Depending on the wording, such clauses are fairly common. As a practical matter, the initial acceptance of your article likely did not involve any checking for important things like preemption or plagiarism, which could derail publication. As a legal matter, publication contracts generally only assign the journal a license to publish the article, without a corresponding duty to publish it. In my limited experience, a journal's refusal to publish is rare (and, when it happens, it is usually well justified). But these clauses protect the journal by ensuring that it is not committed to publishing something that, upon investigation, does not meet their standards for scholarship.

Posted by: anon | Apr 6, 2014 10:37:00 AM

I'm reading an offer contract from a LR and see a clause that implies that the journal is still perfectly free to take back their offer of publication. Is that common language? Does it ever happen?

Posted by: new at this | Apr 6, 2014 8:04:59 AM

Iowa ding off expedite

Posted by: Anonsensical | Apr 5, 2014 11:46:09 PM

Poor man's version of anon2014's earlier question on flagships and specialties: I have a low-ranked flagship offer and a specialty offer (not international or tech) from a journal that is well-regarded in the field. The journals are essentially next to each other in the W&L rankings. Given that I'm likely to go on the market in a couple years, would the flagship or specialty send a marginally better signal? Does it even matter? The specialty is not one that folks outside my field will be familiar with. Thanks so much - reading all this has been so helpful and I promise to pay everything forward someday.

Posted by: anonymizer | Apr 5, 2014 10:33:57 PM

For those of you who still haven't heard anything. I had my article out since early March and just got a first offer yesterday and a second the day after. There's still hope!

Posted by: still hope | Apr 5, 2014 9:49:39 PM

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