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Friday, August 10, 2012

The Angsting Thread (Law Review Edition, Autumn 2012)

Friends, the time has come when Redyip is visible.  You know what that means. Feel free to use the comments to share your information (and gripes or praise) about which law reviews have turned over, which ones haven't yet, and where you've heard from, and where you've not, and what you'd like Santa to bring you this coming Xmas, etc. It's the semi-annual angsting thread for the law review submission season. Have at it. And do it reasonably nicely, pretty please.

Update: Here is a link to the last page of comments.


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I think that T3 and T4 profs can get read by great journals without an expedite. I'm at a T4 school, and my last article placed at a top 65 journal. I submitted to the top 150 journals (W+L Rankings), and didn't get any offers. My only offer was from the top 65 journal. How did I do it? Worked my a** off on the article, got great external reviews from big names, wrote a really great cover letter, and made sure my introduction and conclusion were compelling. While a number of reviewers thought my article should have placed higher, the journal I got is really respectable. There probably is letterhead bias, but it may not be as strong as we think? Also, this time around, I submitted to basically the top 100 only. I think my article has top 20 potential, so I might hold it until the spring, but if a lower end top 100 gives me an offer, it will be a real dilemma. I'm a relatively new prof, but one with a lot of publications at lower-tier journals (shout out to all those journals who gave a non-professor a chance!), but think I'm moving toward only submitting to top journals. If I get picked, great, if not, I have the number of publications I need; now I'm going for high-ranked journals.

Posted by: Thoughts? | Sep 15, 2012 3:16:38 PM

I agree - not appropriate, if the sole intention is to expedite and you would never take the offer. Which is why I didn't.

BUT....this is something T1&T2 professors rarely have to think about. But in T3&T4, how can you get read w/o an expedite? If you cant, then maybe the choice has been made for you.

Posted by: Anon | Sep 15, 2012 3:08:33 PM

Is it even ethical to submit to T4 journals with the intent only to use them to expedite? And if it's ethical, is it just plain rude? I've done it myself, and am doing it this round, so no casting of stones here, but isn't it the professor's equivalent of a law journal's never acknowledging receipt or issuing a rejection of our articles? They ignore us, so we feel free to exploit them?

Posted by: Thoughts? | Sep 15, 2012 2:50:59 PM

UC Davis ding. Any offers today?

Posted by: submitted 8/13 | Sep 15, 2012 1:09:40 PM

4 (count 'em) T4 offers, nary a T3. I'll take my chances this Spring. If it isn't any better then, I'll take up ditchdigging.

Posted by: another8/15 | Sep 14, 2012 6:42:01 PM

Another8/15 and anon, did you submit to T4? At first I didn't, but decided I wanted to have something to expedite. I got a T4 offer quickly, then expedited to a T3, and again to T2. You can always turn down the T4 if no one bites on the expedite. I think there are lots of T4 reviews that are still looking for submissions.

Posted by: Pollyanna | Sep 14, 2012 6:27:24 PM

I am in the same boat, another8/15. I cant expedite w/o an offer, and so I get the silent treatment.

There's always Spring?

Posted by: Anon | Sep 14, 2012 5:03:55 PM

Man, I'm not even getting dings from those reviews with full volumes. I guess this is what happens when you don't have a T2 expedite and they don't bother to read your paper.

Posted by: another8/15 | Sep 14, 2012 4:56:12 PM

Iowa ding off an expedite, saying they are all full.

Posted by: Pollyanna | Sep 14, 2012 3:00:39 PM

Has anyone else recently gotten an offer or ding from Cardozo? I am waiting to hear from them.

Posted by: expeditious | Sep 14, 2012 1:33:07 PM

Ditto re Cardozo ding off an expedite.

Posted by: West coast anon | Sep 14, 2012 1:16:05 PM

Anyone got an offer today?

Posted by: anoff | Sep 14, 2012 12:49:24 PM

Cardozo ding off an expedite.

Posted by: Pollyanna | Sep 14, 2012 12:43:13 PM

yep, got the CR-CL email too--I hope they have room for all of us!

Posted by: ericblair | Sep 14, 2012 11:55:09 AM

Harvard or Yale Human rights v. T80 flagship. I told a colleague last cycle that the top school specialty was the clear answer, but after reading the comments here maybe I misdirected him. Thoughts?

Posted by: anony | Sep 14, 2012 9:27:23 AM

Was about to post exactly what Ha! posted above. Guess I know who my competition is. Wanna arm wrestle?

Posted by: submitted 8/15 | Sep 14, 2012 8:46:00 AM

T2 offer today, not off of an expedite. Also, a T40 journal is sending my article to full board edit. Finally, Harvard CRCL indicated that they've moved my article to the next stage, which will involve several editors looking at it. They'll notify me by Sept. 20 if it's going to full board review and by Sept. 27 if they will make an offer (I imagine others received this same email). Just wanted to add to the angsting by saying that we can all continue to angst because there is still some movement out there.

Posted by: Ha! | Sep 14, 2012 3:10:39 AM

Upon notification that article is moving along in the review process, is it bad form to reply and express willingness to take edits/do cite-checking/reformat pages and otherwise do whatever is necessary to make it effortless for board to publish said article? Or does that go without saying? Thanks!

Posted by: protocol? | Sep 13, 2012 11:28:32 PM

What is the average turnaround time from notice that one is going to board review to final decision? I can only keep my fingers and toes crossed for so long.

Posted by: Submitted 8/15 | Sep 13, 2012 10:36:34 PM

I'm in more or less the same boat, rankings-wise, as T25. And my only offers are from a T75 and a couple of secondaries. I've had a terrible time getting responses from expedites, even from journals that have promised to get back to me.

Posted by: 8/13 | Sep 13, 2012 9:10:50 PM

T25 Junior Prof -- thanks for sharing that. I'm sorry to hear it, but (as a T4 asst prof) it makes me feel a lot better.

Posted by: Polyanna | Sep 13, 2012 8:19:21 PM

FWIW, just one person's opinion, I'd put Yale J. Reg. roughly on par with the top 60 and Admin. L. Rev. on par with the top 100. One nice thing about Admin. L. Rev. is that it's distributed to all members of the ABA admin law section. But there are other factors to consider, obviously.

Posted by: anon | Sep 13, 2012 8:19:04 PM

Anyone have a view as to how Admin. L. Rev. and Yale J. Reg. each stack up against the mainline law review hierarchy? (E.g., at what point in the rankings would you prefer placement in each to placement in a mainline?) To be clear, I don't have offers from either, I'm just wondering.

Posted by: Jimmy Hoffa | Sep 13, 2012 7:52:44 PM

GWU, Minnesota, Cardozo, Case Western dings (off of expedites). Vandy full. I've given up hope this cycle and will re-submit in March, after boards turn.

Also, if anyone in the lower tiers assumed that a T25 prof can get something published in a T100 journal easily, I can offer you proof that that is not the case. Nothing but silence from the first two tiers since 8/9.

Posted by: T25 Junior Prof | Sep 13, 2012 7:33:53 PM

Faulkner Law Review agreed to expedite. Yay!!!

Posted by: pillkoch | Sep 13, 2012 7:01:37 PM

Just moved up the food chain to a T2 offer, off of a T3 expedite. Guess I'll expedite again with the higher journal (nothing to lose, right)?

Posted by: Heavy | Sep 13, 2012 5:19:38 PM

Aside from the conservative bias issue, I was also troubled by the "we think we’d like to string him along for a bit — no commitment but no rejection, either." Also, the "[i]t’s not a big name school," and "he’s been a professor since 2005 so it’s that awkward middle ground where he’s not really new and upcoming but he’s not really a veteran." Ahhh, the "awkward" stage. And here I thought that went away with the teenage years...

Posted by: Not submitting to HHRJ | Sep 13, 2012 3:41:53 PM

@yetanotherprof: And we trust their assessment of these other "issues" in light of their obvious bias why?

Posted by: anon | Sep 13, 2012 3:30:50 PM

Pollyanna - Specialty at top 3 school and a lower ranked t2 offer.

Posted by: juniorprof | Sep 13, 2012 3:01:40 PM

Submitted 8/18, just curious--what tier were you expediting when you got the T2 offer?

Posted by: Pollyanna | Sep 13, 2012 2:58:01 PM

I was hoping for some interesting gossip from that link, but I find it hard to care very much that the Harvard Human Rights Review is reluctant to take a piece by a vocal conservative when that piece has lots of other issues.

Posted by: yetanotherprof | Sep 13, 2012 2:53:44 PM

@anon @ 2:11:33PM: While I totally agree with the sentiment of your post, what reason do we have to believe P&T committees aren't biased? At least with law reviews, the hope is that not all of them will discriminate on any given axis every time, whereas if you have a bad draw for your P&T committee, that could make for a not-fun year at some schools...

Posted by: anon | Sep 13, 2012 2:45:46 PM

T2 offer today after a number of expedite requests, with the most recent expedite request sent on Tuesday.

Posted by: Submitted 8/18 | Sep 13, 2012 2:42:39 PM

Re HHRJ: OMG we are all doomed. Why do hiring/tenure & promotion committees care about placement given how ridiculous article selection is? Let's just read each others work on SSRN and make up our own minds about quality.

Posted by: anon | Sep 13, 2012 2:11:33 PM

Chicago ding

Posted by: Responder | Sep 13, 2012 1:52:38 PM


Posted by: Not submitting to HHRJ | Sep 13, 2012 1:15:16 PM

Minnesota was busy! Ding here, too.

Posted by: Bacon Lover | Sep 13, 2012 10:38:45 AM

Vanderbilt full

Posted by: 8/23 | Sep 13, 2012 9:09:22 AM

Minnesota ding, no expedite

Posted by: Anon | Sep 13, 2012 9:08:37 AM

Minnesota ding, not off an expedite.

Posted by: pleepleus | Sep 13, 2012 7:15:42 AM

Minnesota ding off an expedite.

Posted by: Heavy | Sep 13, 2012 5:25:01 AM

Harvard & Minnesota ding.

Posted by: submitted 8/30 | Sep 13, 2012 2:43:13 AM

Alabama, GW, and W&L are now full.

Posted by: anoff | Sep 13, 2012 12:32:09 AM

Minnesota ding.

Posted by: submitted 8/20 | Sep 12, 2012 11:45:33 PM

Gw is full.

curious, california law rev indicated they were considering whether 2 send my article to the full bd.

Posted by: Responder | Sep 12, 2012 11:40:21 PM

Minnesota ding.

Posted by: another8/15 | Sep 12, 2012 10:37:58 PM

What about the W&L rankings? Would you go with a T3 school (per U.S. News ranking) or a top 100 law review (per W&L ranking)? I assume go with the T3 school. But you know what happens if you assume . . .

Posted by: Pollyanna | Sep 12, 2012 7:17:03 PM

Hastings agreed to expedite mine today.

Posted by: Heavy | Sep 12, 2012 6:27:26 PM

I have expedited to all of the above and heard nothing.

Posted by: 8/13 | Sep 12, 2012 5:35:19 PM

Curious: I accepted an offer from NC a couple weeks ago, and a friend declined an MD offer. I haven't heard from any of the others on your list this season.

Posted by: cbr | Sep 12, 2012 5:17:06 PM

I haven't seen any mention here of Alabama, American, Arizona State, California, Emory, George Mason, Hastings, Maryland, NC, USC, SMU, Wake Forest, Washington & Lee, or Washington. Has anyone gotten more than an acknowledgment from any of them?

Posted by: Curious | Sep 12, 2012 5:03:50 PM

Sounds promising.

Posted by: Pollyanna | Sep 12, 2012 4:27:18 PM

Columbia sent me the promise and dinged my before my deadline.

Posted by: alternaprof | Sep 12, 2012 3:46:43 PM

Pollyanna, Columbia sent me the same message with the same promise but didn't provide an answer by my deadline.

Posted by: 1stYearProf | Sep 12, 2012 3:44:07 PM

Does Columbia always acknowledge an expedite request and state that they will provide an answer by the deadline?

Posted by: Pollyanna | Sep 12, 2012 3:01:10 PM

3 hours left! Wish I'd at least get some dings so I'd know people read my piece.

Posted by: alternaprof | Sep 12, 2012 1:46:45 PM

Harvard ding.

Posted by: Bacon Lover | Sep 12, 2012 1:16:55 PM

Hmmm. Hastings didn't say a thing to me when I sent them the T4 expedite yesterday. But they just emailed me 10 minutes after the T3 expedite to say that they "will be making every effort to come to a decision before your requested deadline." Interesting. I assumed these replies were automated.

Posted by: Heavy | Sep 12, 2012 12:27:12 PM

Expedited my T4 offer yesterday afternoon. Got a high T3 offer this morning off the expedite. I'm expediting again all the way up the food chain. This is getting to be a little more fun. But the process still sucks (IMHO). Thanks to all for the advice.

Posted by: Heavy | Sep 12, 2012 12:24:15 PM

Fordham ding.

Posted by: alternaprof | Sep 12, 2012 11:28:22 AM

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