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Friday, August 10, 2012

The Angsting Thread (Law Review Edition, Autumn 2012)

Friends, the time has come when Redyip is visible.  You know what that means. Feel free to use the comments to share your information (and gripes or praise) about which law reviews have turned over, which ones haven't yet, and where you've heard from, and where you've not, and what you'd like Santa to bring you this coming Xmas, etc. It's the semi-annual angsting thread for the law review submission season. Have at it. And do it reasonably nicely, pretty please.

Update: Here is a link to the last page of comments.


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I've submitted three times in early October: 07, 08, 09. Multiple offers each time; two top 50 placements. And I'm not, by any means, a superstar. Maybe things have changed in the last few years or maybe those pieces would have ended up in T14 journals if I submitted earlier. But I doubt it, because people were saying similar things -- it's over, journals are all closed, etc. -- back then too. So for everyone who hasn't been through this, or hasn't published very many pieces, keep all the comments here in perspective.

Posted by: Data | Sep 25, 2012 9:10:55 PM

Apparently the fat lady lost her voice.

Posted by: Thoughts? | Sep 25, 2012 8:05:48 PM

Lewis & Clark Ding.

Posted by: submitted 8/20 | Sep 25, 2012 8:02:34 PM

Top 50 offer today, off a T2 expedite from last week!

Posted by: West coast anon | Sep 25, 2012 5:17:12 PM

Anyone have anecdotes about offers still being given out there? I'm deciding between 1) a low-ranked offer that gives me lots of time and 2) a slightly better offer with a short expiration date. If there is still life in the process, I'll go with #1; otherwise, #2 is a better bet.

Posted by: Is anybody out there? | Sep 25, 2012 2:01:37 PM

Northwestern ding, not off expedite. My first communication from a law review in more than 2 weeks.

Posted by: Wildcat | Sep 25, 2012 1:28:09 PM

Bepress seems ripe for change, or at least some competition. A more transparent process, where journals set their article expectations, indicate which articles have already been selected, and express how many additional articles they are looking for might be beneficial to authors and journal boards. It is, undoubtedly, a twisted mating dance where effort is often uselessly expended on both sides.

Posted by: Anon | Sep 25, 2012 12:50:11 PM

Northwestern ding.

Posted by: Thoughts? | Sep 24, 2012 11:20:14 PM

Accepted Tier 2 flagship offer today. Made it to two HYS specialty board reviews but no offers from them or anyone else. Time to finish another piece and look forward to Redyip's appearance in the Spring!

Posted by: Submitted 8/15 | Sep 24, 2012 7:41:21 PM

Dings from Texas, Chicago, Georgia.

Posted by: 8/13 | Sep 24, 2012 2:10:08 PM

Ding - Lewis & Clark - no expedite

Posted by: Anon | Sep 24, 2012 1:59:02 PM

Judging by the recent volume of posts on this thread, I'd say this submission season is over. In short, I'm singing.

Posted by: Fat Lady | Sep 23, 2012 12:14:43 PM

My cycle has also ended with only one offer, from a top 3 specialty journal, which I accepted. This is my "worst" placement since I joined the academy. Only one offer. Nothing from expediting.

I've never even tried the spring cycle, so I can't compare the fall to the spring. But I can say this was an unusually quiet (and therefore disappointing) fall.

Posted by: Midwest Prof | Sep 23, 2012 12:35:16 AM

Does anyone have any personal or anecdotal experience with off-cycle submissions, exclusive submissions (like the exclusive windows Florida State offers), the Peer Review Scholarship Marketplace (PRSM), or any other way of sidestepping this crazy process?

Posted by: Curious | Sep 21, 2012 5:21:26 PM

Dings in the past day or so from Boston College and Washington.

I wholeheartedly agree with 8/15's suggestion of a submissions limit. And I agree even more wholeheartedly (if that's logically possible) with the suggestion of a data clearinghouse. It seems absurd to me, particularly in an age when we are accustomed to real-time Twitter/Facebook updates on nearly everything else, that professors are so in the dark and reduced to anonymous rumors about whether law reviews are open, full, responding to or ignoring expedites, and so forth. Some sort of personalized indication of status would be most desirable. But assuming that's not possible due to the volume of submissions, I don't think it's too much to ask for law review editors to provide weekly updates to the public on the number of offers still to be made, the likely time frame necessary for decision, and perhaps a few other basic pieces of information. One would think ExpressO could easily facilitate this, but it doesn't seem to be happening.

To the extent people are concerned about abuses of the process (fake expedites, bad-faith submissions, etc.) greater sharing of information would provide a greater check on that as well.

Posted by: 8/13 | Sep 21, 2012 2:32:36 PM

I'm in almost the exact same situation as anon 8/15. Likely to take my top 2 specialty offer next week. No T1 flagships (although to their credit, I did end up hearing back from all but a handful of the top 25).

And I agree with the suggestion on 20 submissions. Anything to reduce the flow of articles received by journals would be helpful. I'd like my stuff to actually get read before it gets rejected.

Posted by: Another 8/15 Submitter | Sep 21, 2012 12:22:52 PM

After three rounds of expediting, finally accepted a top-2 specialty offer. All told, several specialty offers and no T1 flagships. General thoughts are that either this fall submission cycle had more submissions than usual, or, what I believe, that most journals filled their slots in the spring cycle. I am definitely more likely to submit in the spring next time.

Also, this process needs some sort of data clearing house that provides much better data than expresso - for both sides. There should be a way for all the information to be compiled in one central location that keeps track of: how many submissions each journal has received, where each article is in the current stage of review (unread pile, waiting to be read, expedited, board review, etc.), if offers have been made, accepted, rejected, etc., when journals are full, and probably other things that I'm missing off the top of my head.

A final thought, would the process be better in general if we were limited to 20 open submissions at any given time? You could then only submit your article to additional journals once you had received a rejection. If you coupled this requirement with the increased information such as how many submissions any given journal had received, an author could then better estimate where to submit an article, and the journals (especially below the top-20) would have a more manageable workload.

Posted by: anon 8/15 | Sep 21, 2012 12:06:42 PM

Received 2 acknowledgments from specialities over the past 2 days, so there is some action left.

Posted by: JohnBaker | Sep 21, 2012 5:24:08 AM

I don't know that it's quite over. I got a T2 offer on Tuesday, and a notification from a top specialty re: final board review that same day.

Posted by: West coast anon | Sep 20, 2012 6:38:16 PM

Can we say it's officially over? It seems like only specialty journals and possibly 3T & 4T flagships are still in search for papers.

Posted by: anoff | Sep 20, 2012 5:54:58 PM

Very quiet. Nothing off a T2 expedite for 10 days. I thinks it's over sports fans.

Posted by: Anon | Sep 20, 2012 10:54:18 AM

Received acknowledgements of receipt from a top 3 specialty and top 80 flagship several days after expediting. Maybe this isn't quite over but I feel like it's winding down.

Posted by: Submitted 8/15 | Sep 19, 2012 8:55:58 PM


I"m not a professor, yet my last 2 rejects have called me "Professor Worley"

Posted by: Mworley | Sep 19, 2012 8:31:40 PM

These snot-nosed, arrogant brats could at least address me as "Professor" instead of "Mr." I've earned it. They haven't even passed the bar yet. (Okay, this process has officially gotten to me now).

Posted by: Anon | Sep 19, 2012 5:58:51 PM

William & Mary ding this afternoon.

Posted by: 8/13 | Sep 19, 2012 5:09:55 PM

NYU ding, very nicely worded, but a ding nonetheless.

Posted by: 8/15 | Sep 19, 2012 4:17:04 PM

Submitted on 8/15 and Washington just confirmed receipt today (after 3 expedite requests). No ding...yet.

Posted by: anon 8/15 | Sep 19, 2012 2:58:25 PM

No word from Washington. Pepperdine ding a few weeks ago.

Posted by: 8/13 | Sep 19, 2012 2:12:45 PM

Looks like I was on the Washington LR ding blast as well.

Posted by: Meh | Sep 19, 2012 2:11:52 PM

Washington Law Review

Posted by: Submitted 8/18 | Sep 19, 2012 2:00:45 PM

Washington (Seattle)?

Posted by: Anon | Sep 19, 2012 1:52:59 PM

Washington ding.

Posted by: Submitted 8/18 | Sep 19, 2012 1:52:16 PM

Anyone heard from Pepperdine?

Posted by: Anon | Sep 19, 2012 1:39:26 PM

Oops - take California off the complete silence list.

Posted by: Listkeeper | Sep 19, 2012 1:18:03 PM

Top 50 journals that are reportedly full include: Alabama, Arizona, Duke, Indiana (Bloomington), Iowa, NYU, North Carolina, Northwestern, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Stanford, UC Davis, UCLA, Illinois, Utah, Wash & Lee, and Wash U. Journals that we have seen no mention of (dings or acceptances - complete silence) include: Arizona State, California, Emory, George Mason, Hastings, USC, SMU, and Wake Forest.

Posted by: Listkeeper | Sep 19, 2012 1:16:29 PM

8/13 and 8/23, I was expressly rejected by Georgia, William & Mary, Iowa, Texas and UCLA, in kind but firm emails. The other journals you listed also failed to reject my article or otherwise validate my existence.

Posted by: I Do Not Think | Sep 19, 2012 1:16:16 PM

I got a ding from Fordham just a couple of days ago. Otherwise, it's all crickets.

Posted by: pleepleus | Sep 19, 2012 1:13:27 PM

ding from California Law Review after making it to final board review. Sigh.

Posted by: Responder | Sep 19, 2012 12:48:46 PM

Anyone keeping a lost of full journals they care to paste into a comment here?

Posted by: Jimmy Hoffa | Sep 19, 2012 12:40:33 PM

I think it's getting quiet. I received a tier 2 offer 9/10 followed by 2 post-expedite rejections (out of the dozens of journals from whom I have not heard). Otherwise, crickets. I'm thinking most journals are full now. Anyone receiving any new offers?

Posted by: submitted 8/15 | Sep 19, 2012 11:43:31 AM

Is there any point in contacting the reviews asking how long it will take and whether they have received the article as in there has been no acknowledgement etc.?

Posted by: JohnBaker | Sep 19, 2012 11:30:21 AM

I don't really take it personally. But given all the recent talk of ethics on this thread, it seem (at the least) disingenuous to say that they didn't have time to read an article that they've had for almost 3 weeks. How about: "We looked at your title and your T4 school, and decided that you weren't for us." That would be refreshingly honest.

Posted by: anon | Sep 19, 2012 11:04:26 AM

I submitted to UCLA in mid-July, and never got read. I havent even received the ding. What does that tell me?

Posted by: Anon | Sep 19, 2012 11:02:30 AM

Don't take it personally, anon. I submitted to UCLA in late July and don't seem to have received any more consideration than you.

Posted by: anonymous | Sep 19, 2012 10:38:57 AM

Chicago -- "Decision: Declined"

Posted by: anon | Sep 19, 2012 10:31:54 AM

Same here. UCLA ding. "Unfortunately," they were unable to review my article before the issue was filled (the article I submitted on 8/31).

Posted by: anon | Sep 19, 2012 10:08:16 AM

UCLA ding, said they were done with their slating for the season.

Posted by: 8/15 | Sep 19, 2012 8:46:25 AM

I submitted to IL journals on 5th September, hope I havent shot myself in the foot, submitted to 70 journals, 4 dings, a couple of acknowledgements and no further news.

Posted by: JohnBaker | Sep 19, 2012 3:16:58 AM

I just got a personalized rejection, by someone who'd obviously read my article, from a journal I withdrew from on 9/5. As always when this happens, it makes me wonder how much Expresso-based communication is not getting through.

Posted by: 8/13 | Sep 18, 2012 7:33:13 PM

I got a Wisconsin ding a week or so ago.

Posted by: Anon | Sep 18, 2012 6:39:21 PM

I received a ding email from Georgia roughly a day before an expedite was scheduled to expire. I have not heard a peep from (among others) Alabama, American, Arizona State, BYU, Brooklyn, Cal, Cardozo, Emory, Florida, FSU, Fordham, George Mason, Hastings (other than the expedite auto-reply), Iowa, Maryland, Northwestern, Southern Cal, Temple, Texas, UCLA, Pitt, Wake Forest, Washington LR, W&L, William & Mary, or Wisconsin.

Posted by: submitted 8/23 | Sep 18, 2012 5:41:43 PM

I know someone who heard from American, but I didnt. All others, no

Posted by: Anon | Sep 18, 2012 4:53:54 PM

Anyone heard a peep from: Alabama, American, Arizona State, Cal, Emory, Florida, Florida State, Fordham, Georgia, Maryland, Southern Cal, Temple, Wake Forest, Washington and Lee, William & Mary, or Wisconsin?

Posted by: 8/13 | Sep 18, 2012 4:52:02 PM

Davis Ding. They also didn't read my first footnote that explained I'm not a professor.

Posted by: Mworley | Sep 18, 2012 4:35:50 PM

SCal Law, I am not sure I understand your point. If the tenured profs in your hypothetical drop out of the game, then the Top 10-20 journals still have space for your junior person, no?

Posted by: anon | Sep 18, 2012 3:16:06 PM

Look on the bright side. You could be stuck on no offer limbo.

Posted by: Anon | Sep 18, 2012 2:46:25 PM

Not here.

I've had unbelievably crappy luck with expedites this cycle. I sent personalized expedite requests to about 40 schools, then updated through ExpressO with additional offers. Only three journals have responded in any way, and I'm pretty sure two (the ones you mention) were automated.

Posted by: 8/13 | Sep 18, 2012 2:42:10 PM

UC Davis ding. Anyone hear anything from BC or Hastings other than an automated response from an expedite?

Posted by: anon | Sep 18, 2012 2:32:36 PM

Responder, didn't you get a good signal from Cal a while ago?

Posted by: anoff | Sep 18, 2012 12:17:07 PM

Columbia ding

Posted by: Responder | Sep 18, 2012 12:06:09 PM

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