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Saturday, April 10, 2010
Rick G. on Nomination Talk
Our friend and colleague Rick Garnett has a post at the National Review's Bench Memos website offering advice for upcoming discussions of the Stevens opening on the Court. I agree with him that the word "mainstream" -- as in "out of the mainstream" -- should generally be avoided. The word is neither especially descriptive nor especially useful. Much better, surely, to candidly say that one believes a nominee is right or wrong than that he or she is in or out of the mainstream.
I'm not sure about this statement, though: "[N]o one who says this nomination doesn’t really matter, because the president is simply “replacing one liberal with another,” should be taken seriously. The very smart and experienced journalists who cover the Court know that Justice Stevens’s retirement gives the president a huge opportunity, one that will shape the Court’s work and direction for decades." I don't think it's wrong; I'm just not sure it's helpful. I don't think too many people actually say that a particular nomination doesn't matter at all, and most people agree that every nomination could potentially shape the Court's work; but that doesn't mean some nominations don't present more obvious sea-changes in the Court's direction than others. The stakes are what they are; I'm not sure there's much purpose in making them seem graver than they are, all things considered.
And I'm pretty sure I respectfully disagree with Rick when he writes: "No Democratic senator who voted against Roberts or Alito has any standing to object to the decision by any Republican senator to vote against the president’s eventual nominee, nor does any Democratic who praised, during the Bush administration, the
Although I disagree with some of what Rick has to say in his post, I commend him as always for his temperate tone. I have no objection to trying to set a reasonable and consistent tone for the debates to come. I hope he'll take the opportunity while he's at Bench Memos to offer some helpful advice to regular posters there like Ed Whelan and Wendy Long, who both strike me as routinely intemperate in their writing. In fairness, when Rick writes in the introduction to his post that he hopes to help "distinguish the analysts from the hacks," I do not know in which category he would place Long or Whelan. But I think they, as much or more than many other commentators, would benefit from his instruction.
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Ed -- thanks for the (helpful) push-back. You write, "I remain puzzled by the original idea that a merits-based vote on candidate A could possibly estop a Senator from objecting to every other conceivable merits-based vote on as-yet unspecified candidates." You and Paul have both shown -- to my satisfaction, anyway -- that I was not clear enough in the NRO post. What I meant to say, with the "standing" point, was that a Democratic senator who voted against Alito or Roberts *because of that senator's disagreement with what he or she thought were the nominee's views or judicial philosophy* should not be heard to invoke a "nominations are not supposed to be about ideology, but only qualifications, and the President is entitled to his nominees" objection if a Republican senator votes against the President's nominee because of that senator's disagreement with what he or she thinks are the nominee's views or judicial philosophy. A Democratic senator who voted against Roberts or Alito *can* say, certainly, to a Republican colleague, or the public, "I voted against those guys, even though they are smart and amiable, because I thought their votes and presence on the Court would have resulted in decisions I do not like, and that I am right in not liking. Your votes against the President's nominee, though, are not defensible, because your standards for evaluating the Court's decisions are, on the merits, the wrong ones." By all means, let's have *that* debate. But let's *not* pretend (ABA-style) we are talking about qualifications when we are really talking about ideology.
Posted by: Rick Garnett | Apr 11, 2010 9:15:47 AM
Paul, thanks, and thanks to Rick for his reply, which I hadn't seen when writing.
That said, I don't think Rick's comment, though welcome, does the trick. He now says that "If someone, in the past, has taken the view that it is always appropriate to vote based on the merits of a nominee's own views then they are perfectly free to continue to vote in this way." That has to do with a Senator's consistency in voting, not her or his capacity to object to the vote of another, which was what his post explicitly addressed. I remain puzzled by the original idea that a merits-based vote on candidate A could possibly estop a Senator from objecting to every other conceivable merits-based vote on as-yet unspecified candidates. To sharpen the point slightly, I think the conditions under which that statement could even be proposed are completely ideological, and have nothing to do with symmetry whatsoever. That's okay, but just a different species of argument.
If you are correct in your broader understanding of Rick's concession, it is an even more gracious and reasonable one, but it would be better characterized as a complete renunciation of a discrete statement rather than a "clarification" of it.
Posted by: Ed | Apr 10, 2010 2:07:00 PM
In fairness, Ed, I think Rick does offer a reasonable clarification in his comment. Here's hoping he appends it to the Bench Memos post!
Posted by: Paul Horwitz | Apr 10, 2010 1:47:14 PM
I'd be interested in hearing Rick's explanation of the statement that "No Democratic senator who voted against Roberts or Alito has any standing to object to the decision by any Republican senator to vote against the president’s eventual nominee." I understand his position that each were well qualified, but this seems a bit much.
Does he have some limiting notion of "standing" in mind, or is this really saying that a decision to vote against an Obama nominee could *never* be more poorly justified than the *best* possible basis for having voted against Roberts or Alito? (And am I right in supposing that this position entails the view that a Senator is never entitled to react to equally qualified candidates differently depending upon their expected function relative in the context of the whole Court, or the empirical supposition that Roberts and Alito were each of the least possible historical significance?)
Or is the position that reasoning re. a vote is irrelevant (and that the lesser of Roberts and Alito was still the Platonic ideal of a Supreme Court candidate, or at least better than any possible Obama nomination)?
One test of this position is whether he can imagine himself saying, in the next Republican administration, that "No Republican senator who voted against [insert best possible Obama nominee here] has any standing to object to the decision by any Democratic senator to vote against the president’s eventual nominee."
Posted by: Ed | Apr 10, 2010 10:56:51 AM
Paul writes, "Someone who thinks that all nominees should take position 'X' on a given issue can consistently vote for or against particular nominees on that basis; the problem of consistency only arises if one wraps up one's views in inconsistently applied platitudes, such as those concerning the 'mainstream' nature of a nominee or the obligation (or lack of obligation) to support a President's choices."
He is right - I stand corrected. If someone, in the past, has taken the view that it is always appropriate to vote based on the merits of a nominee's own views then they are perfectly free to continue to vote in this way. What I meant to say, but did not clearly say, is what Paul says, i.e., "the problem of consistency . . . arises if one wraps up one's views in inconsistently applied platitudes, such as those concerning the "mainstream" nature of a nominee or the obligation (or lack of obligation) to support a President's choices."
And, I am happy to agree with Paul that the hack v. analyst problem is a "bipartisan" one. Definitely. No doubt. A good journalist, writing about this nomination, should be on the watch for hackery in every corner. (And, bald-headed law professors at midwestern law schools who write in critique of hackery should be particularly careful not to engage in it!) My own impression (but I realize that my impression is not unconnected to my own views) is that those writing about nomination-related things for our leading news outlets tend to be more attuned to hackery on the right (identifying, for example, conservative commentators as "conservatives") than to hackery on the left.
Posted by: Rick Garnett | Apr 10, 2010 9:30:46 AM
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