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Tuesday, November 03, 2009

More on "Who Cares"

Marc has written a typically thoughtful and lovely piece on the question of "Who Cares?" about legal scholarship.  It's a question we've wrestled with here from time to time.  I seem to recall a dialogue some time ago about "Why I Write."  Let me take my own cut at the issues Marc has raised.  My short-form takeway is this: "Who cares" is the wrong question.  The right question should be, "Why is this interesting?"  

We could start by dividing the "who cares" question into two separate questions: "who cares" in a practical sense, and "who cares" in a more abstract sense.  Let's focus on the former question first.  Some legal academics (still!) insist that legal scholarship must have a real-world payoff, usually one in the nature of legal reform.  Based on his response to Marc's answers, his interlocutor strikes me as being among this category.  I suppose we could further subdivide these people into two categories: those who want legal writing to have a broader impact on making ours a more just world, and those who want it to have an immediate practical impact.  

People in this category are making an argument about legal scholarship's practical impact.  And I think they are caught in a bind -- namely, the question why they are legal scholars in the first place.  Almost no legal writing, as a practical matter, has an impact on the first, justice-seeking level, and even then it rarely happens quickly or alone.  Certainly the mere "justice" of your proposal is unlikely by itself to lead to changes in the world.  For such people, it would be better to attempt to make your arguments in a different forum and in a different fashion.  You should engage in politics, journalism, and other areas of "moral entrepreneurialism" in which your justice-seeking arguments are more likely to have traction.  You might be a legal scholar, but your real goal will be to succeed outside of legal scholarship.  Indeed, it is arguable that those legal scholars who have succeeded in this broader fashion (say, Catharine MacKinnon) have succeeded in this goal more as moral entrepreneurs than as legal scholars as such.  Not to say their scholarship hasn't been important, but it has been successful in this goal of changing the world because it has adopted strategies from outside of legal scholarship.  So it is not clear that they should care about being or remaining legal scholars except to the extent that it serves the practical goal of having a desk, a salary, and some authority to add to their arguments -- all of which might be outweighed by the possible benefits of becoming full-time moral entrepreneurs.  Some senior faculty at major law schools indeed seem to me to have dropped out of legal scholarship as such to become full-time moral entrepreneurs, public intellectuals, etc.  In short, if you write to "change the world," in a big sense, as one scholar once wrote, it seems to me you may be in the wrong business, at least if that, and not some combination of that and personal concerns like prestige and luxury, is your real goal.

The bind is even greater for those who only want to have an immediate practical impact on legal reform -- a better UCC, a better approach to child abduction cases, better employment discrimination law, etc.  If their goals are really that practical, they must realize that few interventions in this area that take the form of legal scholarship are likely to succeed for a variety of practical and material reasons.  So, if that is their goal, they must consider whether they would in fact have more of a positive impact on the world and on legal reform if they abandoned the academy entirely to become criminal lawyers, corporate lawyers, lobbyists, politicians or political aides, and so on.  Perhaps they conclude that they would in fact be worse at being, say, criminal defense lawyers, than at just writing about criminal law, even on a practical level.  And they may be right!  Not every legal scholar is a great practicing lawyer who just happened to want to be a scholar instead; some of us are in fact playing to our strengths and avoiding our weaknesses when we leave practice for the academy.  But this should lead them to be very modest in their hopes for what legal scholarship can achieve, and very tolerant toward the work of other scholars.  Or perhaps they just conclude that, even if they could do more good as criminal lawyers than as criminal law scholars, they like their creature comforts more than they like changing the world or some corner of the law.  That's fine too -- in fact, I think it is often the case for law reform-minded academics, however high-minded their public justifications may be -- but these people too should be very cautious about trying to justify the "who cares" questions on practical grounds.  I think, in fact, that for the truly practical, law reform-oriented scholar, they really should ask the question why they are still legal scholars every day, and in many cases should conclude, at least if they put aside selfish concerns like having a nice office and being called "Professor," that they would achieve more in the world if they quit legal academics and got (back) into the trenches.  

In either case, Marc's answer to this form of "who cares" question ought to be something like: if you mean, will it change the world, ultimately it probably won't, and in an immediate sense it almost certainly won't.  To which he should add, perhaps sotto voce, "Hypocrite lecteur -- mon sembable -- mon frere!"  

Then there are those who ask the "who cares" question in a more abstract sense, and about more abstract scholarship.  This seems to me to be a better way of asking the question.  But what do we mean by "who cares" in this more abstract sense?  This can have at least two possible meanings.  The first has to do with normative implications.  Some legal scholars (still! -- and I know one of my co-bloggers is one of them) insist that legal scholarship, even of a more abstract kind, must have a normative payoff, and that purely descriptive legal work is somehow deficient.  I can understand this as a taste or preference, but I really don't understand it as a strong "who cares" argument.  If you are genuinely not one of the practical "who cares" types, then why should you care, except as a matter of personal preference, that some otherwise excellent work doesn't have a normative payoff?  If you still do, aren't you really just a warmed-over practical-who-cares person, and one who has, at that, by already taking the leap to accepting more abstract or theoretical work, already put yourself at a further remove from any likely practical payoff?  

The other possibility is that this non-practical interlocutor means "who cares" not in the sense of demanding a normative payoff, but just in the sense of asking, "Why should we care about this particular work, taking as a given that we require neither a practical payoff nor a normative stance?"  I doubt this was the position of Marc's interlocutor, but I think this is the kind of question that legal scholars (and scholars of all stripes) can and should ask themselves.  But as Marc has suggested, this form of inquiry depends very little on the existence of a particular "who" who is around to "care," and suggests a very capacious sense of what "caring" might mean.  It is really just a form of asking, as scholarship for scholarship's sake, is this work any good?  That, as I say, is a question we all should ask.  But it doesn't demand caring a fig for actual audiences or implications or payoffs.  It just demands that the puzzle you are working through be a worthy one, and that you work through it in a worthy way.  It should not be banal, or warmed-over, or redundant, or sloppy, although it need not fully answer any questions or suggest any payoffs.  It seems to me that to this kind of question, all Marc needs to answer is, not "who cares," but "This work is interesting because..." And, perhaps in addition or perhaps as an implicit part of that answer, "And the work is done in a worthy fashion because..."

Which leads me to a final question, this time aimed directly at Marc.  Given this, Marc, why should you care, except in an entirely understandable personal fashion, whether your work is put to harmful use?  Or, and I think you might accept it this way, does that question have anything to do with the "who cares" or "is it interesting" question?  You might not want to publish a paper called "How Rogue Nations Can Easily Obtain and Weaponize Nuclear Materials," but is that quite understandable unwillingness to publish relevant to the "who cares" question?        

Posted by Paul Horwitz on November 3, 2009 at 12:00 PM in Paul Horwitz | Permalink

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Great comments from stalwart readers and friends. Let me add a couple (by which I mean a few hundred) words, mostly on Matt's comment. I think of it as a friendly addition. I think one of the useful ways in which his comment supplements my post is that it suggests that those "practical men" or women out there ought to be more attentive to the possibility of the kind of trickle-down effect (not to mix my economists' metaphors) that scholarship may generate, and which Dave also touches on. My post hints at this once or twice, but I mostly proceeded by way of accepting arguendo that people who are interested in "practical" implications have a shorter time-horizon in mind. I might note that for such individuals, and also for those who are interested in more abstract work that nonetheless has real-world implications, even if Keynes is right that may not be reason enough for *them* to stay in academia. Not every "defunct economist," or scholar of any stripe, can hope to have this kind of influence. The question would still be one of weighing the potential benefits of having the kind of long-term effect Keynes writes about against the potential benefits of engaging in practice or moral entrepreneurialism.

Marc, I think your response was great for an on-the-spot one. Regarding the question of moral consequences, in a sense there is an interesting disjunction between those who are simply in love with their own ideas, and those who fall in love with the regimes in which their ideas gain influence. (Edward Teller, step forward, please.) The latter category of scholar is one who commits what for me is the sin of being too concerned with influence in the world outside the academy rather than good work inside the academy. But I agree that even the former type of scholar should not be utterly indifferent to what happens to her work. The question for me -- a totally hypothetical question, given that I am a legal academic whose name is not Carl Schmitt -- is whether that ought to influence one's decision to publish. For the kind of work most legal scholars do, even those who do, say, criminal law (Paul Butler) or national security law (John Yoo), almost always the ties between scholarship and implementation are likely to be so attenuated that this isn't a pressing concern. (I am not defending Yoo's work, which I can't speak to, but it seems to me most of the damage came in when he left the academy, and one may respectfully question whether his work before he left the academy was aimed at that community or at the larger community.)

Dave, I don't disagree with you, I think, except in two respects. I would emphasize that it's "interesting" that there is such anxiety about this in the legal academy, but it's not "surprising," after decades of articles about the crisis of normativity in the law. And I'm not sure I can totally agree that if you enjoy what you do and do it sincerely, it's hard to go wrong. How about a nice game of global thermonuclear war?

Posted by: Paul Horwitz | Nov 3, 2009 8:32:39 PM

Part of what bothers me about the "who cares" objection (namely, that scholarship is purely indulgent) is that it assumes that the only way for work to matter is for it to have a discernible, discrete practical impact. On this view, an article that causes courts to decide cases differently, or leads legislatures to revise the law, does something. An article that does not have this impact, by contrast, does nothing (or at least, nothing useful).

There are a couple problems with this. First, articles may have influenct that we do not notice. Ideas trickle up, in accretion with others, and slowly. There are rare cases where a single article changes the course of law, but this almost never happens. CLS, or L&E, were very influential, but that influence was felt in the aggregate, much as social movements are the sum of (or greater than the sum of) their many individual members' contributions.

Second, articles may have enormous positive effects in the world without any concrete political effects. Art may not change anyone's mind (though it certainly might), but it may well improve the world simply by making it a more beautiful place. Scholarship--good scholarship, at least--contributes in a similar way, not by creating something aesthetically pleasing but by creating something intellectually interesting. This may not be an earth-shattering contribution (and as Paul suggests many academics would likely give up if they thought this was the limit of their work's impact), but it's real and valuable, and counts among the many contributions we don't really think about that improve the world in marginal but meaningful ways.

It's interesting though that there's such anxiety about this. I doubt that plumbers and engineers ask themselves constantly about the impact or importance of the work they do. The contributions of plumbers and engineers are small but undoubtedly important, as we certainly appreciate when our hot water goes out at 7am. But it's harder to identify and account for the contributions that artists and intellectuals make. Some of them are certainly self-indulgent, or hacks, or awful, or all three. (But there are certainly bad contractors and politicians as well.) I think this worry is futile, just as any self-evaluation that is ultimately dependent on the opinion or reaction of third parties will lead to frustration. If you enjoy what you do and try sincerely to do it well, it's hard to go far wrong.

Posted by: Dave | Nov 3, 2009 8:13:07 PM

Paul, thanks for your wonderful response, which does far more to make this question deeply interesting than my own response. One initial reaction that I have to your sensitive discussion is that the question itself is bedeviled by multiple connotations that are difficult to sort out at the moment when one is asked the question and an audience is awaiting a response. I actually think that my interlocutor meant the question in a genuinely interesting, existential sense -- why should we care about your idea, whether or not it can be put to good worldly use or not -- and it is for this reason that most of my belated thoughts dealt in some sense with your last possibility.

With respect to your question to me, my own sense is that somehow the consequences of one's ideas do make a difference, but in a very attenuated way that nevertheless must be minded. Mark Lilla wrote a volume a little while ago called 'The Reckless Mind' in which he discussed the ways in which a collection of 20th century intellectual figures, on both the left and right, were so taken with their own radical ideas that they were blind to the uses to which those ideas were put by the world. They fell in love with their ideas, and then they fell in love with regimes in which their ideas gained influence, with disastrous consequences for all involved.

And now, to rope in Matt's learned thought -- I suppose what I am describing is a kind of innate, subterranean conservatism (small c) that scholars might do well to feel to a greater or lesser degree -- to be mindful that, as Matt says, ideas do have consequences -- sometimes terrible consequences. I agree with you, Paul, that this sort of sensibility should not be in the driver's seat. It should not constrain one's ideas, and one should not be guided by it as one might be guided by a beacon. But it is well not to disregard it entirely, or to pretend it does not exist. If one becomes so taken by one's ideas that one becomes blind to all variations of the 'who cares' question (other than "is it interesting?"), that is, in my view, a failing. It is a failing of pride. It says to the world -- I worhip at the temple of my ideas, ruat caelo, and so should you.

Thanks again for the wonderful discussion.

Posted by: Marc DeGirolami | Nov 3, 2009 2:04:45 PM

I think that Keynes probably was over-stating the case when he said,

“The ideas of economists and political philosophers, both when they are right and when they are wrong, are more powerful than is commonly understood. Indeed the world is ruled by little else."

But I think that he was on to an important point that's relevant for this discussion, namely, that understanding things of all different sorts matters, and often enough, worrying about what the practical pay-off, especially in the short term, is going to be gets in the way of understanding some process or thing. I do think that Keynes was closer to right in the second half of the above quotation, when he said,

" Practical men, who believe themselves to be quite exempt from any intellectual influence, are usually the slaves of some defunct economist.”,

and that this is the start of the answer to many of the "who cares?" questions- that without this sort of probing we often enough can't know when we're getting things right and when we're just acting on prejudice. Certainly some investigations are trivial or pointless. If I proposed to spend my time figuring out how many times the letter 'K' appeared in the Philadelphia phone book you might reasonably ask, "who cares?" about that. But most inquiry that provokes the question isn't like that.

Posted by: Matt | Nov 3, 2009 1:01:07 PM

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