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Sunday, September 06, 2009

Law School Hiring Thread, 2009-10, Thread One

NB: This thread will be moved to the front every ten days or so. 

This thread is for both law professors and people who are on the market this coming year for becoming a law professor. We invite those on the market and those who are prawfs to leave comments (anonymously if they prefer) regarding a range of things:

a) whether they have received a call from a particular school inviting them to an interview at the AALS meat market, and/or whether they accepted it; also whether the school has asked for a candidate's scholarship yet

b) whether they have received a callback from a law school and/or accepted it

c)  whether they have received an offer from a law school and/or accepted it; feel free to also leave details about the offer or info about teaching loads, research leaves, etc.

Law professors may also choose to provide information that is relevant to the entry-level or the lateral market.

Bear in mind: if you don't want your contact information displayed, please just enter in [email protected] or something like that as an email address.

This post will be moved to the front of the blog once every ten days or so, and we will also try to provide updates in the comments that consolidate the various bits of information here. We hope one of you will volunteer to do the agglomeration work that Marc DeGirolami did last year. If you are looking for links on how to manage going through the job hunt, check out the posts under these three archives:herehere, and here.

To get things started: FSU (as of early August) has begun (but only begun) inviting laterals for the fall and will soon turn to exploring the rookies in the near future. FSU will be doing a substantial amount of hiring across a wide range of areas. If you are interested in joining FSU's faculty, please contact Manuel Utset at  [email protected]

Update: Comments are closed.  Go to Thread Two to add information.

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Some pleasant preliminary communication from a few of my target schools (e.g. "nice resume, looks like your interests might match our needs, our committee will take a close look") but no interviews yet. I think this is just fine at this stage of the game!

Posted by: not sweating it | Aug 31, 2009 1:55:26 PM

I agree, this is seriously not the time to be discouraged... there are 180+ accredited law schools (and a few law schools not yet accredited like Irvine, Drexel, and Charlotte that are going to be very good) and only 20 or so have started to make calls. Being discouraged now is like a football team being discouraged by their opponent crossing midfield in a 0-0 game with 14:00 to go in the first quarter. IMHO, if this blog is discouraging to some then maybe taking a week off from looking at it will be helpful to the mental psyche...

Posted by: Not on the market | Aug 31, 2009 12:51:16 PM

IMHO, it's WAY too early for anyone to feel discouraged (or indeed encouraged). Four schools that called (in order of calls): Boston U., Maine, Penn State, St. Thomas (Florida). They all sounded fairly generic as to subject-matter.

Posted by: anon | Aug 31, 2009 12:24:33 PM

No calls. Top 5 degree, cum laude but not Order of the Coif, district clerkship, 4 publications in various middle law reviews and journals. Not super hot area of specialty. Discouraged.

Posted by: anon | Aug 31, 2009 11:58:33 AM

Not a single call. VAP, top clerkship, top ten school, but light on publications so far (although one pretty good placement since VAP form went in, but I guess that doesn't matter for getting interviews this year). I'm glad I get unconditional love elsewhere.

Posted by: Lennie Small | Aug 31, 2009 11:44:37 AM

I've only gotten one thus far. It's a pretty annoying process for sure.

Posted by: anon | Aug 31, 2009 11:27:30 AM

I haven't received many calls (I am a VAP). I don't fit the best athlete model, nor is my area a subject that a lot of schools are actively looking for someone. I have sent my information to several schools in addition to participating in the FAR, and have received some replies indicating the schools have just started their process. So, hang in there - I'm trying!

Posted by: anon | Aug 31, 2009 10:55:51 AM

Anybody else not receiving any calls yet? Some of the schools listed above were looking in my area and still, no calls. I am feeling a bit discouraged and starting to think I am not "market material" yet (no VAP or fellowship here either. Or is it still early enough in the process that such a pronouncement can't be made? Also, did you all contact schools directly from the bulletin or just submit the FAR?

Posted by: anon | Aug 31, 2009 9:41:31 AM

Drake has called. Not sure what they are looking for, so I cannot comment on whether it is a match to their needs.

Posted by: Lara Croft | Aug 30, 2009 10:56:58 PM

List so far it seems:

1. Georgia State
2. Indiana-Indianapolis
3. Kentucky
4. Valparaiso
5. Wisconsin
6. North Dakota
7. St. Louis
8. Notre Dame
9. Vanderbilt
10. Penn State
11. Washington Univ. St. Louis
12. Thomas Jefferson
13. Stetson
14. Maine
15. Illinois
16. BU
17. Fordham
18. New York Law School
19. Cardozo

Posted by: Jimmyface McJimmyton | Aug 30, 2009 9:04:57 PM


No, the game is definitely not over if a school is listed and they haven't called you yet. Schools are just starting to make calls and most will not fill up all their slots until after they see all the candidates in all four FAR distributions. In addition, there will be cancellations in October by candidates fortunate enough to have too many interviews and as a result, slots will open up for additional candidates

Posted by: Not on the market | Aug 30, 2009 8:33:30 PM

I'm not sure I understand why posters are so uncomfortable disclosing their teaching/research interests. Could those reluctant to do so fill me in? Last year's posters on this blog freely disclosed their areas of interest when listing their AALS interviews and callbacks, which was very helpful to others. Personally, hearing that a school looking in one of my teaching/research areas has called to schedule interviews is quite nerve wracking, when for all I know they have not yet called candidates in my field. Thanks.

Posted by: Anon | Aug 30, 2009 8:24:30 PM

Should one assume that if a certain school has made calls already and you were not called, game over at that school?

Posted by: anonony | Aug 30, 2009 8:23:19 PM

Additional schools that have made calls, either for AALS or pre-AALS interviews:

- BU
- Fordham
- New York Law School
- Cardozo

Posted by: also not on the market | Aug 30, 2009 8:06:06 PM

I was the one who posted about the unidentified top 20 school -- it's now been listed (i.e., it's either Vandy or Wash U-St Louis)

Posted by: anon | Aug 30, 2009 7:49:53 PM

Other schools that have called for AALS interviews include:

St. Louis
Notre Dame
Penn State
Washington Univ. St. Louis
Thomas Jefferson
and various New York schools have contacted New York-based candidates

Since I'm not on the market, I do not know whether these were "best athlete" or need-based interviews

Posted by: Not on the market | Aug 30, 2009 7:33:17 PM

University of North Dakota also called.

Posted by: anon and on | Aug 30, 2009 7:03:18 PM

Going through the comments, it looks like these are the places that have started calling. Anybody have somewhere to add to it?

Georgia State

someone indicated an unidentified top 20 school

Posted by: yet another anon | Aug 30, 2009 6:47:57 PM

aals interview with valparaiso, in one of the areas they expressed interest in.

Posted by: anon | Aug 30, 2009 3:41:07 PM

I mentioned previously that I am an Indy interviewee, and my interests fit within the schools stated interests...although, those stated interests are pretty broad.

Posted by: Ugly Betty | Aug 30, 2009 1:18:30 PM

one more for Indy

Posted by: anon and on | Aug 30, 2009 8:58:29 AM

Best athlete AALS interview with a top-20 school. My only interview so far.

Posted by: anon | Aug 30, 2009 8:53:35 AM

interview with georgia state in one of the areas in which they expressed interest.

Posted by: anon | Aug 30, 2009 8:11:10 AM

I figure that people schools call are a mix of "best athelete" and position-specific, along with a wildcard or three. If you're in the best athelete category, you're probably getting more than a few interviews. On the other hand, the way I see this thread is that it lets me put the fact that I've only gotten one interview yet into perspective. And that's a good thing.

Posted by: AnonHuman | Aug 30, 2009 2:56:14 AM

AALS with one of the schools already mentioned.

Posted by: Anon | Aug 29, 2009 9:44:55 PM

Anon @ 4:05 - I agree that is a helpful way of preserving anonymity for posters while also assisting others on the market in assessing their chances (or lack thereof) in comparison.

Posted by: anon | Aug 29, 2009 5:23:48 PM

Fair enough -- I'm one of those that they listed.

Posted by: Jimmyface McJimmyton | Aug 29, 2009 4:56:41 PM

Well, AALS interviewees could be moderately more helpful without sacrificing much anonymity by indicating whether their work falls within the fairly broad curricular areas a school has indicated that it's looking for, whether on the Hiring Chairs thread on this site or in the FAR bulletin. E.g., the Indiana-Indianapolis folks could say whether they consider their teaching and research interests to be captured by that school's stated interest in "Criminal Law, Criminal Procedure, Property, Trusts and Estates, Commercial Law, Land Use, Administrative Law, Corporate Finance, and Tax" -- or whether they instead appear to be a "best athlete" interviewee. Where schools have stuck to stated curricular needs in inviting interviews, the absence of an interview invitation to those outside those curricular areas doesn't mean much about their overall chances on the market. On the other hand, where schools have begun casting about for "best athletes," the lack of invitation to interview under those circumstances is perhaps more meaningful.

Posted by: anon | Aug 29, 2009 4:05:52 PM

I, too, fear loss of anonymity, especially this early in the process.

Posted by: Jimmyface McJimmyton | Aug 29, 2009 10:35:24 AM

aals meeting with kentucky.

here's the thing about posting teaching/research interests - doesn't that make a person less anonymous? i'm not sure how i feel about that. any thoughts about why one should/shouldn't be totally anonymous on here? any thoughts on how much less anonymous a person become by posting interests, particularly when those interests are specialized?

Posted by: anon | Aug 29, 2009 9:35:34 AM

another AALS meeting with Indiana-Indianapolis

Posted by: Jimmyface McJimmyton | Aug 29, 2009 3:11:59 AM

Some teams will actually read your published work BEFORE deciding whether to give you one of the 30 slots. Some will read it after and then regret giving you the slot in the first place. Some will not seriously read it until after they meet you and are making call-back decisions. Some will not read it carefully until after your call-back.

Posted by: Ethan Leib | Aug 28, 2009 3:45:47 PM

Each interviewing team can do roughly 32 half-hour interviews over a 2-day period, so unless a school sends two interviewing teams that's usually how many interviews they'll do. Regarding timing of a research agenda, it's usually requested after the interview is set up - your FAR and resume are the only things they'll base the interview request on.

Posted by: AnonHuman | Aug 28, 2009 9:34:48 AM

If posters would identify their teaching/research interests (e.g., tax, IP) that would be very helpful. Thanks.

Posted by: Anon | Aug 27, 2009 8:34:11 PM

AALS meeting with Indiana-Indianapolis

Posted by: Ugly Betty | Aug 27, 2009 4:16:22 PM

How many AALS interviews do schools typically set up to fill each faculty slot?

Posted by: anon | Aug 26, 2009 3:03:00 PM

I think this thread needs to be bumped more often.

Posted by: AnonHuman | Aug 25, 2009 12:56:27 PM

Another "bankruptcy/commercial law/contracts or tax person" meeting with Wisconsin here.

Posted by: AnonHuman | Aug 20, 2009 1:31:44 AM

yes, i am one of those!

Posted by: another anon | Aug 20, 2009 12:57:42 AM

@ Aug 19 4:12 pm: are you a bankruptcy/commercial law/contracts or tax person? (what they said they were most looking for)

Posted by: anon | Aug 19, 2009 8:15:58 PM

i received an email from the university of wisconsin requesting an aals interview. they have not yet asked for my scholarship or research agenda. i accepted the interview.

Posted by: another anon | Aug 19, 2009 4:12:51 PM

How does this work? I'm assuming schools ask for scholarship/research agenda before they call about interviews, no?

Posted by: anon dude | Aug 19, 2009 10:15:16 AM

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