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Sunday, September 06, 2009

Law School Hiring Thread, 2009-10, Thread One

NB: This thread will be moved to the front every ten days or so. 

This thread is for both law professors and people who are on the market this coming year for becoming a law professor. We invite those on the market and those who are prawfs to leave comments (anonymously if they prefer) regarding a range of things:

a) whether they have received a call from a particular school inviting them to an interview at the AALS meat market, and/or whether they accepted it; also whether the school has asked for a candidate's scholarship yet

b) whether they have received a callback from a law school and/or accepted it

c)  whether they have received an offer from a law school and/or accepted it; feel free to also leave details about the offer or info about teaching loads, research leaves, etc.

Law professors may also choose to provide information that is relevant to the entry-level or the lateral market.

Bear in mind: if you don't want your contact information displayed, please just enter in [email protected] or something like that as an email address.

This post will be moved to the front of the blog once every ten days or so, and we will also try to provide updates in the comments that consolidate the various bits of information here. We hope one of you will volunteer to do the agglomeration work that Marc DeGirolami did last year. If you are looking for links on how to manage going through the job hunt, check out the posts under these three archives:herehere, and here.

To get things started: FSU (as of early August) has begun (but only begun) inviting laterals for the fall and will soon turn to exploring the rookies in the near future. FSU will be doing a substantial amount of hiring across a wide range of areas. If you are interested in joining FSU's faculty, please contact Manuel Utset at  [email protected]

Update: Comments are closed.  Go to Thread Two to add information.

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Thanks, David. Very helpful post.

Posted by: anon | Sep 10, 2009 10:55:26 AM

Thanks David - that was the most candid and honest posting I've read so far and it kind of made me feel better too. Good luck!

Posted by: anon | Sep 10, 2009 7:48:26 AM

Comments on the AALS FAR including answers to many of the questions previously posted in this thread:
As someone with significant recent experience with the FAR/FRC law faculty recruitment both as a candidate (4 times) and member of the Faculty Appointments Committee (twice), I thought I might be able to shed some light on the process. Since I believe it is useful to know where advice is coming from, let me tell you who I am and what my experience is. My name is David Frakt and I am Associate Professor of Law and Director of the Criminal Law Practice Center at Western State University College of Law, which recently received full ABA accreditation. Some of you may know me as Major David Frakt. During the 2008-9 academic year, I was on a military leave of absence from my teaching job, defending detainees facing trial by military commission at Guantanamo. I received a fair amount of publicity for my work at Guantanamo, particularly my defense of Mohammed Jawad, an Afghan juvenile who was recently released. I am currently on the job market (my profile is in the FAR). For those of you keeping score at home, I have three interviews at the conference so far, with Gonzaga, U of Baltimore and Florida International. Of these, I actually sent an application to Gonzaga, but when I spoke to the faculty appointments chair he said that they had noticed my profile in the book before they got around to reading the letter I sent.
I first went through the faculty recruitment process in 2004-5, when I decided to get off active duty with the Air Force JAG Corps and try my hand in academia. I had several things going for me: a very strong undergraduate record (summa cum laude, Phi Beta Kappa and Outstanding Graduate of my Senior Class of 1990 at UC Irvine), a strong law school record (cum laude at Harvard) and a good clerkship (former Chief Judge of the Tenth Circuit), and a positive work record in the Air Force, including the Federal Bar Association Younger Lawyer Award. I also had some strikes against me, I was a decade out of law school (Class of 94), I was a white male, I was not on law review, and I had no scholarly publications (I did have one practitioner article in a military legal publication). I sent about 50 applications to law schools. These applications yielded two interviews. I also got three interviews from schools who found me in the FAR. Two of the interviews were for doctrinal teaching positions, three were for legal writing/professional skills positions. These interviews yielded one call back and one offer, at Western State, which had just lost and then regained its provisional ABA accreditation. I was very happy to get the job. The location was great (I had gone to college in Orange County and knew the area well) and they were offering to let me teach exactly what I wanted to teach: criminal law and procedure. As happy as I was to be at Western State, my goal was to try to “write my way out” with the hope of landing at a not-for-profit law school affiliated with a major university.
In Fall 2007, after writing two pretty good law review articles (one in Florida State U. Law Review, one in the American Journal of Criminal Law at U of Texas) and co-writing a book chapter, I went back on the job market. I think it is very helpful to be able to fill all three slots on the FAR form with recent publications. I was in my third full year of teaching. This time, I had six interviews, all at lower third or fourth-tier law schools or new schools. I also turned down one interview. I had one callback and no offers. Two of the interviews were from schools to which I applied directly, four picked me out of the FAR. I got no offers. This turned out to be a good thing, because I decided to volunteer for a one year tour with the Office of Military Commissions as a defense counsel, which was an incredible experience.
In Fall 2008, since I was already in Washington D.C., I decided to go through the process again. I had three law review articles by this time, and another one accepted for publication, and I had been doing some high profile work at Guantanamo. This time, I got ten interviews, although one cancelled due to a statewide hiring freeze, so I ended up with nine, including from first, second and third tier schools. I also turned down two interviews for positions or locations I did not think I would accept. The nine interviews yielded two callbacks at respectable state schools. I didn’t get an offer at either school.
I was on the WSU Faculty Appointments Committee in 2006-7 and 2007-8. I also have vicarious experience through my father, Arthur Frakt. He was professor and then Associate Dean at Rutgers-Camden, then Dean at Loyola (Los Angeles) and Widener, then principal consultant at Drexel Law School, where he helped hire the founding faculty. My father estimates that he has hired more law faculty that virtually any other person in the U.S.. He’s been to at least 20 FRCs.
Based on this experience, I have the following observations about the process.

1. TIMING: Some schools start early, some are late. I have received calls as early as August 19 and as late as mid-October. Most calls are in mid to late September. There are a number of reasons why schools may be early or late. It may be based on their academic calendar, which dictates when faculty return to campus. It may be a factor of the level of organization of the committee. The start of the school year is a busy time and it can take a while for a committee to get moving. It may be a factor of the size of the committee. Schools with seven or eight members on the committee, can divide up the FAR and go through the profiles much more quickly. It may be that the school is still assessing their needs for the upcoming year, trying to figure out who is going to retire, who is moving up to an Administrative position, who is going to be visiting or on sabbatical, who among the faculty is on the market and likely to get hired away, etc.. So, you can’t draw much of a conclusion from the timing of the call for an interview (or if you get an e-mail or letter instead of a call). One thing that may tell you where you stand in the school’s pecking order is how many interview slots they have open when they call you. I always ask what times they have available. If they tell you that they are “pretty much wide open” that means that you are one of the first people they called. If they have two slots left late Saturday afternoon, then you were one of the last people they decided to call. Of course it is possible that they divided up the calling responsibilities among the committee and the person who called you was just slow in getting to you, but, as a general rule, committees will call their top choices first and try to lock them in, then work their way through their lists. Sometimes candidates will turn down an interview, so often the committee will have to meet multiple times to select enough candidates to fill all the interview times. As the committee reviews the candidates, there are likely some that go in a “maybe” pile, that the committee will return to later, perhaps after the Second Distribution has come out and they have gone through that. Strong candidates in the Second Distribution will get interviews, though possibly not as many as they might have had if they had gotten into the first distribution.

Advice for the conference:
Scheduling interviews:
If possible, schedule your interviews on the hour, leaving yourself a half hour break to review the info about the school and the committee you are about to interview with next and to catch your breath. This is for your own sanity. That being said, you may not always be given a choice of interview slots so you may have to go back to back. Or, if you lucky enough to be in high demand, you may not be able to leave space between interviews. If you find yourself with back-to-back interviews, don’t panic. First of all, the interviews are not really thirty minute interviews, they are 25 minute interviews. The committees need to talk for a few minutes after each candidate to make some quick notes about the candidate they just saw (if you are interviewing 30-36 people in two days, it can be hard to remember who was who later) and to refresh their minds on who is coming next. So, theoretically, they should let you out five minutes early. If you have a back to back interview, it is perfectly acceptable to let the committee know this at the beginning of the interview, particularly if your interview is all the way across the hotel or, heaven forbid, down the street at the Omni instead of at the Marriott.
Make sure you scout out in advance where your interview room is. Some schools have two interview suites in different parts of the hotel. Make sure you go to the right one.
Cancelling interviews:
I would not cancel an interview just because you get several interviews at schools you consider more desirable. Remember that schools are probably interviewing 10-20 people for each slot for which they are hiring, so your odds of getting an offer at any one school are not good. I had nine interviews last year and got no offers. If you start getting close to 20 interviews, then I would think about cancelling some interviews at your least preferred schools.

You should not accept an interview at a school where you definitely would not take a position if offered, even if that were the only school that made you an offer. Don’t accept an interview just for practice.

Should I go to AALS with only one or two interviews?
Understandably, you may not want to travel all the way across the country, incurring plane ticket and hotel costs for one or two interviews. If you find yourself in this situation, I would recommend being candid with the school that offered you the interview. Tell them that you have decided not to attend the conference but are still very much interested in interviewing with the school. Ask them if there is a possibility of doing an interview by teleconference or perhaps a videocall on Skype.
One factor to consider, if you have never been to the conference, the workshops offered on the Thursday are very good and well worth attending. You will learn a lot about how to make yourself a better candidate for the future. Since you have already paid for the conference by registering for the FAR, you might as well go if the cost isn’t too prohibitive. The conferences are also good networking opportunities, although don’t count on picking up additional interviews while at the conference. This happens occasionally, but is very unlikely.

Don’t feel bad if you didn’t get many interviews this year. Lots of people don’t succeed their first time through the process. You may have made some rookie mistakes with your FAR form that can be corrected next year to help you get noticed. (e.g. don't indicate that you won't except positions anywhere in the South) And you only need one offer – if you only have one interview, you should be incredibly well prepared for that interview and dazzle the committee. If you don’t get hired, don’t take it personally. Perhaps two/thirds or more of the candidates this year will come up empty. If you are determined to be a law professor, start writing something and try again next year.

Candidates: feel free to e-mail me for further advice at [email protected]

Hiring committee members: my primary teaching areas are crim and crim pro. I've also taught evidence, trial practice, and seminars on military law, terrorism and international war crimes.

Good luck!

Posted by: David Frakt | Sep 10, 2009 3:23:38 AM

I actually got a rejection from U Florida. It was so fast it was rude!

Posted by: onandanon | Sep 10, 2009 1:27:02 AM

U Florida and St. John's have also called.

Posted by: anon | Sep 9, 2009 7:03:29 PM

Here's the latest summary. 53 schools reported (here) as scheduling at least one interview so far...

1. Baltimore
2. Brooklyn
3. BU
4. Cardozo
5. Case Western
6. Cleveland State
7. Cumberland School of Law (Alabama)
8. Drake
9. Elon
10. Florida Intl (Miami)
11. Fordham
12. Franklin Pierce
13. Georgia
14. Georgia State
15. Gonzaga
16. Illinois
17. Indiana-Indianapolis
18. Kentucky
19. Lincoln Memorial (Knoxville)
20. Loyola LA
21. Maine
22. Michigan State
23. Minnesota
24. Mississippi College
25. Nebraska
26. New York Law School
27. North Dakota
28. Northern Illinois
29. Notre Dame
30. Ohio Northern
31. Oklahoma City
32. Penn State
33. Regent
34. Rutgers - Camden
35. Seattle
36. Seton Hall
37. St. Louis
38. St. Thomas (Florida)
39. St. Thomas (Minnesota)
40. Stetson
41. Temple
42. Texas Wesleyan
43. Thomas Jefferson
44. Tulsa
45. UC-Davis
46. Valparaiso
47. Vanderbilt
48. Wake Forest
49. Washburn
50. Washington Univ. St. Louis
51. Western New England
52. William & Mary
53. Wisconsin

Posted by: thebiglist | Sep 9, 2009 6:52:06 PM

AALS Interview invitation from the Regent University School of Law via email(first invitation to interview) - currently in private practice (with academic interests in tort law, international law, and professional responsibility), graduate of a "Tier 2" law school, and 4 law review articles (and several other shorter publications) in a little over the past year.

Posted by: anon | Sep 9, 2009 1:25:12 PM

I'm chairing a hiring committee and wish to respond to two concerns raised in a prior post.

1) Should I avoid scheduling back-to-backs? See this post (and comments):


2) Can I cancel an interview (when more attractive suitors come a courtin'?) -- Yes. But do it quickly, and graciously. Those of us on committees can read between the lines. No sense wasting anyone's time if there's no genuine interest. But give some thought to this possibility: the better the school, the stiffer the competition.

Posted by: Tim Zinnecker | Sep 9, 2009 12:43:33 PM

I was in the entry level market 7 and 8 years ago. Access to this much information about what was happening with people who were not me would have made my head explode. Ignorance can indeed be bliss. Much good fortune to all.

Posted by: David Case | Sep 9, 2009 12:15:35 PM

I applied directly to 30 schools, haven't heard from any of them. I have received 11 interview offers (all from schools that just pulled me out of the stack). The schools range from 4th tier to two in the top 30. (I have an average resume but I'm in a high-demand specialty.) One school asked to interview me prior to the FRC. They explained that it's just too hectic after the conference, and they like to space out interviews when possible.

Definitely keep posting which schools are making interview offers. Thx.

Posted by: anon | Sep 9, 2009 12:09:14 PM

The three schools in parentheses are the ones where I got interviews from.

Posted by: anon | Sep 9, 2009 11:14:19 AM

Yes, I applied to about 20 or so schools (St. Louis, Indianapolis, Franklin Pierce). I have 3 interviews thus far (torts/crim guy) and none of the schools who have reached out to me where I sent stuff. I guess bc they think I'm good, my recommenders are reaching out to my top schools on my behalf.

Posted by: anon | Sep 9, 2009 11:02:02 AM

the lack of transparency of some of these posts reminds me of the celebratory spirit in a joke i once heard: a 75 year old man walks into a roman catholic church, goes into a confessional, and tells the priest he had sex four times last night and with two different women, get that, the priest says do 100 hail marys and 50 our fathers, the old man says, "i will do no such thing, i'm not even catholic, i just wanted to boast to someone."

hell, boys and girls, we tryin' to land a job he'. this blog ain't about jumpin' up an' down and waving our hands in the air as if we've already been victorious. without telling any detail all you do is make the rest of us ne'vous. and you kids with eight interviews out there, get this story: i've had two friends, count 'm two, who each had 3 interviews (that was all) both landed jobs, one in a top tier school and the other a second tier school. there's also a story i heard from a reliable source about a person who had one call back interview, pennsylvania, ?anyone heard of that school?, and they gave her the job. of course the more the merrier, but the key is doing well with what u got.

so open up kids, and help the rest of us.

Posted by: Exposed | Sep 9, 2009 10:30:20 AM

I totally agree with the commenter urging greater transparency! PLEASE PLEASE indicate your research/teaching interests.

Posted by: anon | Sep 9, 2009 9:37:58 AM

More than one school that has contacted me has either asked me to interview on campus prior to the AALS (even if that school will attend the AALS) or has given me the option of either doing that or interviewing at the AALS. I think these are just perhaps slightly longer on campus interviews, not job talks. These schools are in the same region of the county as I am, but are not local. Sometimes they explicitly say they will pay travel expenses. What's the purpose of this strategy by schools? I had heard that some lower-ranked schools schedule full job talk interviews prior to the AALS and may make exploding offers to try to snag candidates early. But as I said, these aren't full blown job talk interviews. Do these schools just want to see more people, and so this is a way of saving more AALS slots? Are there advantages or disadvantages to accepting these earlier interviews (besides using them as practice for the AALS and keeping more of one's own AALS slots open)? TIA for any insight.

Posted by: anon | Sep 9, 2009 8:37:50 AM

I have 8 interviews so far, spanning all four tiers (with the bulk concentrated in tier 2/#50-100). I didn't apply directly to any schools, and as far as I know my references have not reached out to contact any schools on my behalf (though at least one top-10 school has contacted them).

Posted by: anon | Sep 9, 2009 8:27:16 AM

(1) I sent letters/CVs to about 30 schools - but have not heard from any of them, have only heard from schools I did not contact
(2) I don't think so
(3) I suppose my interviews have done this, as nobody contacted them about me

Posted by: anon | Sep 9, 2009 7:41:28 AM

(1) I did

(2) I do.

(3) I have.

Posted by: anon | Sep 9, 2009 12:59:02 AM

How many folks with AALS an interview:
(1) Applied directly to the school in addition to the FAR process?
(2) Have recommenders making contacts on their behalf?
(3) Had their FAR pulled out of the pile without an assist (e.g., direct applicaiton or contact by a recommender)?

Posted by: beyondanon | Sep 9, 2009 12:29:23 AM

I received an offer to interview from Ohio Northern via U.S. mail. I was also a little surprised.

Has anyone received interview calls from west coast schools (Pepperdine, UCI, USD, Oregon, Cal Western, UC Hastings, Washington, etc.)? I've only heard from east coast and midwest schools. Any info would be greatly appreciated.

Posted by: anon | Sep 8, 2009 6:20:22 PM

Having gone through this process successfully last year, and having relied on the comments on this blog for lots of useful information, I find the lack of transparency in this year's comments maddening. Naming the school from which you've received an interview offer, naming your area of specialization, hell even naming your name, does not expose you to any risk. Neither the committee making the interview offer nor other committees you might be waiting to hear from expect this process to be shrouded in complete secrecy. Do your fellow prospects a favor and actually share useful information.

Posted by: another anon | Sep 8, 2009 5:41:57 PM

Care to share which tier the snail mail invite school is in?

Posted by: Anon | Sep 8, 2009 5:21:27 PM

Just got an AALS interview request by mail! I was a little irked when I saw the return address, thinking it looked like some kind of rejection letter, from a school I hadn't actively applied to. "How cheeky of them," I thought "rejecting me before I even applied!" But I was pleasantly surprised to find an interview request inside.

Posted by: anon | Sep 8, 2009 5:00:28 PM

So...if interviews are 30 minutes long and one has to get from interview to interview (perhaps going between towers to do so), should one only schedule interviews on the hour (or, alternatively, on the half-hour)? Seems like that significantly reduces the number of interviews one can accept, but otherwise one is almost sure to arrive late to interviews.

On a related note, what's the etiquette for candidates canceling interviews with less-desirable schools to accommodate later invitations to interview with more-desirable schools? (No, I don't yet have that problem, which is admittedly a nice problem to have, but if you can only schedule 8 interviews each day and you accept interviews with 3rd and 4th tier schools early in the process, I could see it becoming an issue.)

Posted by: anon | Sep 8, 2009 3:56:12 PM

Thanks to everyone posting tips and letting us know which law schools have started calling for interviews. I am definitely checking this page obsessively (though I'm sure it's not healthy). Fyi, Oklahoma City School of Law has started calling regarding interviews.

Posted by: anon | Sep 8, 2009 3:52:15 PM

Yes, I think there was radio silence over the weekend. I got one interview today (via email, for those keeping track). I'm expecting schools to start calling again this week.

Posted by: anon | Sep 8, 2009 3:37:37 PM

I just sat down to read this thread worrying I'd only had 2 calls and got a call. Just goes to show that you should check this page obsessively :).

Posted by: AnonHuman | Sep 8, 2009 3:29:05 PM

Did calls trickle off over the holiday weekend and this morning or are people not posting if a previously mentioned school calls? I rec'd 2 calls early last week and then silence...starting to worry.

Posted by: anon | Sep 8, 2009 2:16:52 PM

what is a best-athlete-profile?

Posted by: aspiringprawf | Sep 8, 2009 1:54:57 PM

Anon at 10:47,

Do you mind sharing your teaching fields?


Posted by: Anon | Sep 8, 2009 1:48:47 PM

AALS interview with Seattle University.

Posted by: anon | Sep 8, 2009 10:47:54 AM

a few thoughts from someone who just went through this process. if you are not getting calls yet, you should have your recommenders get on the ball and start calling schools. in my experience, unless you're a self-evident superstar, this is how it gets done. and, to gauge the field, you might want to take a peek at last year's hiring report to see where your best targets (thus where recs should call) might be...


Posted by: anonasst | Sep 7, 2009 10:47:54 AM

IP is in good demand. commercial law i.e. corp, tax, business law are in high demand. constitutional law/ international stuff is in low demand now.

Posted by: anon | Sep 6, 2009 10:50:14 PM


IP is clearly needed by many school.

If you have ever written anything original in property and trust and estates, you're a rare bird.

Tax and business are extremely in demand. A friend explained to me why corporate law is in demand every single year. She said that corporate lawyers take a pay cut coming into the academy, while public law people take a pay hike (or stay even). That means that corporate times have to have less publications and less prestigious resumes to get in. Don't get me wrong they still need to be qualified, but they have an easier path in the door and typically get more interviews.

What else is in high demand? Health. In some schools Civil Procedures. Exotic courses like maritime law will peek someone's interest.

Constitutional law is the most competitive.

Best advice is go for the areas your writing in. Be honest. If you write in con law, torts, or crim. law and you do good work, you can get a job in that field. If it's tax or IP do that. Don't fake your specialty; otherwise, good committees will likely figure out the ruse.

Posted by: Jack Straw | Sep 6, 2009 10:50:14 PM

Someone mentioned in one of the posts that some subject areas are more competitive than others. Can anyone summarize what these areas are? What's in demand and what's over-supplied? I'm applying in IP and I'm just morbidly curious!

Posted by: Yikes | Sep 6, 2009 9:37:37 PM

Let me just add that I'm grateful there are volunteers among the readers of this thread to collate the material into list, alphabetical or otherwise. Much appreciated.

Posted by: Dan Markel | Sep 6, 2009 9:00:59 PM

Re the list so far: I'm not sure why the change from Sep 3, 2009 1:35:08 PM (43 schools) to Sep 5, 2009 12:29:18 AM (28 schools). The list of 43 looked right to me ... and actually, looks like it's up to 49 at the moment. Assuming everyone's faithfully reported on this list, here's the date and time that each school was posted on these comments.

1. Aug 31,2009 5:09:41 PM Baltimore
2. Sep 2,2009 6:17:28 PM Brooklyn
3. Aug 30,2009 8:06:06 PM BU
4. Aug 30,2009 8:06:06 PM Cardozo
5. Sep 1,2009 12:36:55 PM Case Western
6. Aug 31,2009 5:09:41 PM Cleveland State
7. Sep 2,2009 7:13:10 PM Cumberland School of Law (Alabama)
8. Aug 31,2009 5:09:41 PM Drake
9. Sep 3,2009 12:15:30 PM Elon
10. Sep 5,2009 12:29:18 AM Florida Intl (Miami)
11. Aug 30,2009 8:06:06 PM Fordham
12. Sep 2,2009 8:12:41 PM Franklin Pierce
13. Sep 3,2009 5:56:30 PM Georgia
14. Aug 30,2009 8:11:10 AM Georgia State
15. Sep 1,2009 10:15:20 PM Gonzaga
16. Aug 30,2009 7:33:17 PM Illinois
17. Aug 27,2009 4:16:22 PM Indiana-Indianapolis
18. Aug 29,2009 9:35:34 AM Kentucky
19. Sep 3,2009 8:53:24 AM Lincoln Memorial (Knoxville)
20. Aug 31,2009 5:09:41 PM Loyola LA
21. Aug 30,2009 7:33:17 PM Maine
22. Sep 4,2009 12:57:46 AM Michigan State
23. Sep 2,2009 6:17:28 PM Minnesota
24. Sep 3,2009 12:25:27 PM Mississippi College
25. Sep 4,2009 12:57:46 AM Nebraska
26. Aug 30,2009 8:06:06 PM New York Law School
27. Aug 30,2009 7:03:18 PM North Dakota
28. Sep 3,2009 9:05:45 AM Northern Illinois
29. Aug 30,2009 7:33:17 PM Notre Dame
30. Aug 30,2009 7:33:17 PM Penn State
31. Sep 4,2009 12:57:46 AM Rutgers - Camden
32. Sep 1,2009 12:36:55 PM Seton Hall
33. Aug 30,2009 7:33:17 PM St. Louis
34. Aug 31,2009 12:24:33 PM St. Thomas (Florida)
35. Sep 1,2009 1:54:41 PM St. Thomas (Minnesota)
36. Aug 30,2009 7:33:17 PM Stetson
37. Sep 2,2009 9:03:30 PM Temple
38. Sep 1,2009 5:03:22 PM Texas Wesleyan
39. Aug 30,2009 7:33:17 PM Thomas Jefferson
40. Aug 31,2009 5:09:41 PM Tulsa
41. Sep 2,2009 8:43:12 PM UC-Davis
42. Aug 30,2009 3:41:07 PM Valparaiso
43. Aug 30,2009 7:33:17 PM Vanderbilt
44. Aug 31,2009 5:09:41 PM Wake Forest
45. Sep 4,2009 10:34:33 AM Washburn
46. Aug 30,2009 7:33:17 PM Washington Univ. St. Louis
47. Sep 1,2009 6:02:27 PM Western New England
48. Sep 2,2009 8:43:12 PM William & Mary
49. Aug 19,2009 4:12:51 PM Wisconsin

Posted by: thebiglist | Sep 6, 2009 5:07:01 PM

11:44:04, it seems that you have the same "classical" resume that I had when I went on the market (successfully), only 2 years ago. Aside from this being a more difficult economy and market, I wouldn't get discouraged by the resume per se. Adding an LLM (if your JD is a top 5 school) probably won't do much except create time to write. An LLM is valuable if you are a tax person. A fellowship is probably more helpful in that it allows you to pick up some potential references, and talk in "academic-speak".

Posted by: TJ | Sep 6, 2009 2:18:42 PM

Has anyone received invitations to interview for Clinical positions?

Posted by: anon2 | Sep 6, 2009 12:51:43 PM

Why did the list shrink from 43 to 28? Misinformation?

Posted by: anon | Sep 6, 2009 12:34:05 PM

@big poppa, the list of 28 schools is a consolidated list of all the schools that, according to the information available here, have made calls.

Posted by: Anon99 | Sep 6, 2009 10:58:41 AM

As a member of an Appointments Committee, I can say that being called later doesn't necessarily mean anything, especially if it is only a week or ten days later. Many appointments committees will split up the calls among various committee members. Some people will call right away; others will sit on it for a while. Annoying, but true.

Posted by: Anon | Sep 5, 2009 1:40:12 PM

are you saying that you have received 28 interviews already!?

Posted by: big poppa | Sep 5, 2009 1:15:04 PM

1. Georgia State
2. Indiana-Indianapolis
3. Kentucky
4. Valparaiso
5. Wisconsin
6. North Dakota
7. St. Louis
8. Notre Dame
9. Vanderbilt
10. Penn State
11. Washington Univ. St. Louis
12. Thomas Jefferson
13. Stetson
14. Maine
15. Illinois
16. BU
17. Fordham
18. New York Law School
19. Cardozo
20. Drake
21. St. Thomas (Florida)
22. U. of Baltimore
23. Loyola LA
24. Cleveland State
25. Wake Forest
26. University of Tulsa
27. Elon University
28. Florida International Univ. (Miami)

Posted by: AnonAnon | Sep 5, 2009 12:29:18 AM

school that was reported first on August 30th called today.

Posted by: anon | Sep 4, 2009 5:30:53 PM


Posted by: anon | Sep 4, 2009 10:34:33 AM

I've been contacted and scheduled interviews with the following schools, which I don't see already identified on this thread:

Michigan State

I would characterize myself as a very "average" entry-level candidate.

Posted by: Midwest or Bust | Sep 4, 2009 12:57:46 AM

I wouldn't know. But they wouldn't interview someone they don't like. If you get an interview, take it as an opportunity to show them that they should have called you first.

Posted by: anon | Sep 3, 2009 8:27:34 PM

Is it understood that if you are called later you are B list, or not necessarily?

Posted by: anon | Sep 3, 2009 8:22:11 PM

my two interviews have been by calls.

Posted by: anon | Sep 3, 2009 8:22:10 PM

Is everyone getting telephone calls? My 2 interview requests so far have both been by email and I'm wondering why - are other people getting emails and just writing "calls" to stand in for that?

Posted by: anon | Sep 3, 2009 8:20:47 PM

if you read the thread from last yr, people receive calls days/week after the first call from a school has gone out.

Posted by: anon | Sep 3, 2009 8:18:46 PM

So Temple has called people over the last few days? They were first posted a couple days ago and now anon at 7:54 posted too. This is heartening to hear.

Posted by: anon | Sep 3, 2009 8:15:41 PM

Temple, entry-level

Posted by: anon | Sep 3, 2009 7:54:22 PM

Fyi, University of Georgia has started calling to schedule interviews.

Posted by: anon | Sep 3, 2009 5:56:30 PM

Any word on how many candidates are in the 2nd distribution of FAR forms?

Posted by: anon | Sep 3, 2009 5:38:53 PM

And now alphabetical.

1. Baltimore
2. Brooklyn
3. BU
4. Cardozo
5. Case Western
6. Cleveland State
7. Cumberland School of Law (Alabama)
8. Drake
9. Elon
10. Fordham
11. Franklin Pierce
12. Georgia State
13. Gonzaga
14. Illinois
15. Indiana-Indianapolis
16. Kentucky
17. Lincoln Memorial (Knoxville)
18. Loyola LA
19. Maine
20. Minnesota
21. Mississippi College
22. New York Law School
23. North Dakota
24. Northern Illinois
25. Notre Dame
26. Penn State
27. Seton Hall
28. St. Louis
29. St. Thomas (Florida)
30. St. Thomas (Minnesota)
31. Stetson
32. Temple
33. Texas Wesleyan
34. Thomas Jefferson
35. Tulsa
36. UC-Davis
37. Valparaiso
38. Vanderbilt
39. Wake Forest
40. Washington Univ. St. Louis
41. Western New England
42. William & Mary
43. Wisconsin

Posted by: anon | Sep 3, 2009 1:35:08 PM

1. Georgia State
2. Indiana-Indianapolis
3. Kentucky
4. Valparaiso
5. Wisconsin
6. North Dakota
7. St. Louis
8. Notre Dame
9. Vanderbilt
10. Penn State
11. Washington Univ. St. Louis
12. Thomas Jefferson
13. Stetson
14. Maine
15. Illinois
16. BU
17. Fordham
18. New York Law School
19. Cardozo
20. Drake
21. St. Thomas (Florida)
22. U. of Baltimore
23. Loyola LA
24. Cleveland State
25. Wake Forest
26. University of Tulsa
27. Case Western
28. Seton Hall
29. William & Mary
30. Western New England
31. St. Thomas (Minnesota)
32. Texas Wesleyan
33. Gonzaga
34. UC-Davis
35. Brooklyn
36. Minnesota
37. Cumberland (Alabama)
38. Franklin Pierce
39. Temple
40. Lincoln Memorial (Knoxville)
41. Northern Illinois
42. Elon
43. Mississippi College

Posted by: anon | Sep 3, 2009 1:34:42 PM

Is legal writing a longer shot than coming straight from practice? I don't know. Please do not confuse me with a true expert. My guess would be that it would show seriousness about being in the academy, which is good, but that might be offset by the lower caste status that seems to attach to legal writing instructors (see Dean Kent Syverud's article bemoaning castes in the legal academy). If I were you, I would ping some of your professors who care about you and get more data points. Christine is a nice person, albeit absurdly busy, and my guess is that if time allowed, and it may well not, she would share her experience with you. (Maybe she could make an enlightening blog post about it.)

The fellowships are a different deal altogether. If you get something like a Climenko fellowship at Chicago, it's a much shorter route. Those kinds of fellowships are like the baseball minor leagues feeding prospects to "The Show." Of course, a fellowship at Chicago or Harvard is different from a fellowship at Lower West Ruritan State College of Law.

Posted by: anon | Sep 3, 2009 12:53:19 PM

AALS interview scheduled with Mississippi College of Law.

Posted by: anon | Sep 3, 2009 12:25:27 PM

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