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Tuesday, May 26, 2009
Some Quibbles With Rick
Rick has posted a well-written comment on the National Review's Bench Memos blog, which I've already had occasion to speak ill of once today. I stand by that, by the way, not because it's conservative but because I think too many of the bloggers there are reflexive, rabid, and, well, silly -- Rick (and a perfectly fair post by Gerard Bradley) excluded. As always, I don't think such traits are exclusive to the right, and that's why I rarely read either NRO or its mirror-image blogs on the left. But my writing about Wendy Long sent me back there, and I ran across Rick's post. He writes, in substantial part:
Look for expressions of regret [over potential smear tactics], and calls for seriousness, civility, and the like, in the days to come from President Obama’s surrogates in the press and in the activist groups. You will have to look harder, though, for journalists to observe, and these surrogates to admit, that (a) the “let’s use Supreme Court nominations as occasions to smear good people” tactic is one that the Democrats — but not, in fact, the Republicans — have practiced enthusiastically; (b) that Justices Breyer and Ginsburg were easily confirmed, with substantial Republican support, not because they were “moderate,” but because the Republicans voted in accord with the “President gets his (qualified) nominees” standard; and (c) that dozens of Democratic senators, including the president, abandoned this standard (to the extent they ever respected it) and disgraced themselves by voting against Justice Alito and Chief Justice Roberts, easily among the most impressive nominees in history.
It also seems safe to predict that the press will, as they swoon over Judge Sotomayor’s personal story and Ivy League credentials, forget the extent to which Justice Thomas’s own story did not protect him from outrageous attacks, and his own prestigious degrees did not prevent snide insinuations that he was merely the beneficiary of affirmative action.
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One more quibble: Part of the reason that Ginsburg and Breyer sailed through so easily was the Clinton consulted with the Republican leadership (namely Sen. Hatch, who was ranking member, then chair, of the Judiciary Committee) prior to making the appointments (especially with Breyer). So, at least Clinton (who, as Paul notes, is the only Democratic example we have to look at on Supreme Court appointments, actually going back 41 years!) sought to involve the opposition party in the initial nomination process, which likely helped the confirmation process.
I've often heard people make this point, but it seems rather to cut the other way: If the Democratic leadership in the Senate had been amenable to such consultation, they would have been the ones giving their blessing in advance to Roberts and Alito as highly qualified non-extremist nominees.
Posted by: Stuart Buck | May 27, 2009 1:35:15 PM
Well, I guess it depends on how you read his comments, or, to put it more fairly to him, how you read the comments that he was reporting on. When someone gets the Pyne Prize at Princeton but has their intelligence questioned, you have to be looking for what's behind the comments. (Yglesias has some good stuff on this.)
And perhaps you weren't watching some of the shows last night, but folks like Pat Buchanan and others were clearly making the affirmative-action-not-qualified argument (and citing to Rosen!). Hopefully it was just a momentary burst of arguments waiting to see what sticks. But the Miers analogy is a good example; isn't the comparison to Alito much more apt?
Posted by: Matt Bodie | May 27, 2009 10:57:15 AM
Matt, I might have misread the Rosen piece (is that what you are referring to?), but I didn't think he suggested that what he saw (he's now repented, I guess) as Judge Sotomayor's weaknesses were the result of affirmative action. Did he? If so, I obviously stand corrected.
Posted by: Rick Garnett | May 27, 2009 10:34:46 AM
Rick says:
That said, will we see respectable opinion trafficking in the "well, sure, she went to fancy schools but she's not really all that smart because, well, you know . . ." stuff that has so tainted conversations about Justice Thomas? I doubt it. (Don't get me wrong -- I don't *want* to see it. But I suspect there will be some double-standard-ing with respect to the affirmative-action issue going on.)
Um, haven't we already seen it?
Posted by: Matt Bodie | May 27, 2009 10:10:04 AM
I think that, taking into account the admittedly quick-and-dirty nature of my initial post, if one compares the way the Democrats treated (say) Thomas, Bork, Alito, and Roberts with the way the Republicans treated Ginsburg and Breyer
Were there any plausible claims about serious sexual harassment of subordinates in relation to Ginsburg or Breyer? I know that only applies to Thomas, not Bork, Alito, or Roberts, and wasn't the only thing said about Thomas, but it was a serious claim that seemed (and seems) to me to be quite plausible, and one that, if true, should have disqualified Thomas from the court. It's still treated by many as if it were just some silly woman making something up, but of course nothing like that was show, and if anything I think it was the republican judicial committee members (including Arlen Specter) who disgraced themselves with their behavior in that case.
Posted by: Matt | May 26, 2009 11:09:01 PM
I think that it is terribly disingenous to suggest that the Republicans have a different standard for voting for Supreme Court nominees than the Democrats based on the thin record that exists. As I read it, in every recent nomination contest, the various Senators have simply weighed their degree of displeasure with the nomine's views against all the pragmatic reasons to vote "yes" (political backlash, fear of a worse nominee, consequences for their own agenda, consquences for later nominees) and made individual decisions. Does anyone seriously suggest that casting 30 negative votes against Breyer or Ginsburg would have benefited the Republicans in any signficiant way given the politics of the day?
Posted by: Andrew Siegel | May 26, 2009 10:25:52 PM
I agree that the support Ginsburg and Breyer received does not indicate that a large number of Republicans viewed their judicial philosophies as not dramatically different from their own; I was not trying to suggest otherwise. I was trying to suggest that the fact of White House consultation might have gotten more Republicans to come along on a sense of "This is the best we are going to do."
Posted by: Howard Wasserman | May 26, 2009 8:46:40 PM
Well, there's little one can do, after such a thorough (though, of course, entirely amiable) thrashing (or, on blogs, is the term "Fisking"?) but concede and retreat. But, lacking wisdom (or, perhaps, having too much pride), I persist:
I think that, taking into account the admittedly quick-and-dirty nature of my initial post, if one compares the way the Democrats treated (say) Thomas, Bork, Alito, and Roberts with the way the Republicans treated Ginsburg and Breyer (to say nothing of the way the various "base" groups acted), then the Republicans come off better. Could that change? Sure. I don't think Paul's points about Warren, Fortas, and Douglas undermine the substance of my claim. (Are we going to add to the mix the Democrats' criticisms of the Nine Old Men? The debate, it seems to me, and the parties, have fundamentally changed since Roe and then Reagan.)
Justices Breyer and Ginsburg were confirmed easily, but this is (in my view, and I guess contra Howard's comment) not because there were not plenty of Republican Senators who (correctly) thought that these Justices' judicial philosophies were strikingly at odd with their own (presumably, in their view, correct) understandings. I suspect that, as the years go on, people will come to think that the number of "no" votes received by Alito and Roberts is evidence for the proposition that they were more "extreme" or less "mainstream" than Breyer and Ginsburg. This is too bad, I think, because the proposition is nonsense.
I agree with Paul, and should have said, that, if Senators were candid about the fact that they were voting "no" because, as a general matter, they believe that Senators should vote against nominees whose judicial philosophies are (in the Senators' view) unsound, then their votes were not "disgrace[ful]." (I *do* think the "why are you against the little guy" silliness -- like the current practice of holding up the Ledbetter decision as the litmus test for human decency -- was unworthy of even such a candid Senator.)
With respect to the "personal story" point, I agree with Paul that the Bush Administration did Justice Thomas a disservice by over-playing the Pin-Point narrative (though Justice Thomas's story *is* -- like Judge Sotomayor's -- a powerful and inspiring one, and I think it is so sad that partisan and political commitments prevent many educators and opinionmakers from holding him up as a role model). That said, will we see respectable opinion trafficking in the "well, sure, she went to fancy schools but she's not really all that smart because, well, you know . . ." stuff that has so tainted conversations about Justice Thomas? I doubt it. (Don't get me wrong -- I don't *want* to see it. But I suspect there will be some double-standard-ing with respect to the affirmative-action issue going on.)
How *should* this process work? I don't know. The nasty and dishonest personal attacks should have no place. The reduction of complicated legal questions to sound-bite platitudes should be avoided. Some deference, I think, to the President is appropriate. At the same time, it's probably not my view that a Senator is bound to vote to confirm anyone who is "qualified" (as Judge Sotomayor obviously is, and as then-Judges Alito and Roberts obviously were). And, if a Senator votes "no" on "the nominee's understanding of the judicial role and approach to constitutional interpretation and construction diverge too much from mine" grounds, then she should at least say so clearly, employ these grounds consistently, and concede their permissibility when the "other side" employs them.
How's that for squishy?! This comment does not do justice to Paul's post, I admit. Sorry! And, I don't know if Paul was just trying to avoid having to give me a Flag Day present, but we're not broken up.
Posted by: Rick Garnett | May 26, 2009 6:28:35 PM
One more quibble: Part of the reason that Ginsburg and Breyer sailed through so easily was the Clinton consulted with the Republican leadership (namely Sen. Hatch, who was ranking member, then chair, of the Judiciary Committee) prior to making the appointments (especially with Breyer). So, at least Clinton (who, as Paul notes, is the only Democratic example we have to look at on Supreme Court appointments, actually going back 41 years!) sought to involve the opposition party in the initial nomination process, which likely helped the confirmation process.
Posted by: Howard Wasserman | May 26, 2009 5:52:58 PM
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