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Thursday, October 16, 2008
A law school hiring thread: 2008-09
NB: Moved to the front and updated after the jump.
This thread is for both law professors and people who are on the market this year to become a law professor. We invite those on the market to leave comments (anonymously if they prefer) regarding a range of things:
a) whether they have received a call from a particular school inviting them to an interview at the AALS meat market, and/or whether they accepted it; also whether the school has asked for a candidate's scholarship yet
b) whether they have received a callback from a law school and/or accepted it
c) whether they have received an offer from a law school and/or accepted it; feel free to also leave details about the offer or info about teaching loads, research leaves, etc.
Law professors may also choose to provide information that is relevant to the entry-level or the lateral market.
Bear in mind: if you don't want your contact information displayed, please just enter in [email protected] or something like that as an email address.
Update: This post will be moved to the front of the blog once every ten days or so, and we will also try to provide updates in the comments that consolidate the various bits of information here. If you are looking for links on how to manage going through the job hunt, check out the posts under these three archives: here, here, and here.
To get things started: FSU has invited a substantial number of entry and lateral candidates to FSU this fall. The school has also extended a large number of invitations to AALS.
After the jump: a summary that will be revised every few days.
Schools reported to have made offers (as of 10/16):
UNC
Florida State
Schools reported to have made callback invitations:
American
Boston University
Buffalo
Duke
Miami
Santa Clara
St. John's
Villanova
Schools reported to have invited folks to the DC market. Those new to the list are asterisked. As of 10/16:
Akron
Albany
American
Arizona
Arizona State
Baltimore
Barry
Baylor
Boston College
Boston University
* British Columbia
Brooklyn
California-Berkeley
California-Davis
California-Hastings
California Western
Campbell
Capital
Cardozo
Case Western
Chapman
Charleston
Chicago
Chicago-Kent
Cincinnati
Cleveland Marshall
Colorado
Columbia
Cornell
Creighton
CUNY
Denver
Duke
Drexel
* Emory
Florida
Florida Coastal
Fordham
* Franklin Pierce
FSU
George Mason
Georgetown
George Washington
Georgia
Georgia State
Golden Gate
Hamline
* Harvard ("on good authority")
Hofstra
Houston
Idaho
Illinois
Indiana Bloomington
Indiana Indianapolis
Iowa
John Marshall
Kentucky
La Verne
Lewis and Clark
Louisville
Loyola Chicago
Loyola LA
Loyola New Orleans
LSU
Maine
Maryland
Memphis
Miami
Michigan State
Minnesota
Mississippi College of Law
Nebraska
New England School of Law
New York Law School
North Carolina
* Northeastern
Northern Illinois
Northern Kentucky
Notre Dame
Ohio State
Oklahoma City University College of Law
* Ohio Northern
Oregon
Pace
Pacific
Penn State
Pennsylvania
Pepperdine
Pittsburgh
Quinnipiac
Richmond
Roger Williams
St. John's
St. Louis
St. Thomas
San Diego
San Francisco
Santa Clara
Seattle
Seton Hall
SMU
South Carolina
Southern Illinois
South Texas
Southwestern
Stanford
Stetson
SUNY-Buffalo
Syracuse
Temple
Texas
Thomas Jefferson
* Thurgood Marshall
Toledo
Toronto
* Touro
Tulane
UC Irvine
UCLA
U. Conn.
USC
Utah
Villanova
Virginia
Wake Forest
Washington University
Wayne State
Western New England
West Virginia
* Whittier
Widener
William & Mary
William Mitchell
Wyoming
Yale
Please correct mistakes.
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Also, anon at 4:12:11, would you mind disclosing what field of law you teach in? That would give me some closure for the week so I don't keep expecting the call. Thanks.
Posted by: anon2 | Nov 11, 2008 5:35:57 PM
Actually, also anon at 4:12:11, would you mind disclosing what type of law you are in? This would give me some closure for the week and I could stop looking forward to the call. Thanks.
Posted by: anon2 (again) | Nov 11, 2008 5:32:27 PM
We have now created a new thread for the callbacks/offer phase: please post information over at this thread:
http://prawfsblawg.blogs.com/prawfsblawg/2008/11/law-school-hiri.html
Posted by: Dan Markel | Nov 11, 2008 5:27:31 PM
Anon at 4:12:11, when did LSU make the call to you?
Posted by: anon2 | Nov 11, 2008 5:18:39 PM
LSU
Posted by: anon | Nov 11, 2008 4:12:11 PM
Know people with callbacks at Hamline, Louisville, and Loyola (Chicago)
Posted by: anon | Nov 11, 2008 2:08:12 PM
Sometimes schools send out "second tier" letters, which indicate that (1) the school has scheduled some callbacks, (2) that the candidate was not among those called back in the 1st round, but (3) that the school was not forclosing the possibility of a callback if the first rounders do not turn out and (4) a timeline of when second-round callbacks might be expected to occur at the earliest. If anyone receives such a letter, or the same thing verbally, it would be helpful to post it here.
Posted by: Anon | Nov 11, 2008 1:54:43 PM
A question about the schools that have made offers already -- FSU, Boston, and NC. Can anyone report on when these offers were made and how long they are staying open? And is anyone more knowledgeable than me about which schools have a reputation of making shorter-term vs. longer-term offers?
Posted by: anon | Nov 11, 2008 1:48:53 PM
Callbacks at Roger Williams and Barry University
Posted by: Anon | Nov 11, 2008 12:08:30 PM
Brooklyn callback.
Posted by: anon | Nov 11, 2008 11:03:51 AM
Santa Clara and SMU have multiple callbacks scheduled.
Posted by: anon | Nov 11, 2008 10:42:51 AM
As for HYSCC, I think the term term is usually HYSCCN on AutoAdmit and similar law student blogs -- that was my point earlier. In this forum, though, I can understand how the term might conceivably be different. However, the 2007 JD tournament suggests HYCNV and the 2006 JD tournament suggests HYCNC (assuming that I found the final standings, see below) -- so in those years, N was a factor in the top 5.
http://lsolum.typepad.com/legaltheory/2007/04/entry_level_hir.html
http://lsolum.blogspot.com/archives/2006_05_01_lsolum_archive.html
Thus, I think adopting the term HYSCCN, used elsewhere, is appropriate here, too. (OTOH, I do like the idea of using HYSCC*, as it reminds us that about 10 law schools purport to be in the "Top 6.")
I have no useful callback info to add. But thanks to all who have posted and I hope the posts keep coming. It helps one cope...
Posted by: Anon from N | Nov 11, 2008 10:11:23 AM
Another update and consolidation -- this time with information on numbers and other data in parens. Also, for Prof. Markel -- would it be possible to start a new thread for callbacks, so folks don't have to click and scroll through past pages to get this information? Keep 'em coming in, please.
American
Boston University (offer and multiple callbacks)
Buffalo
Catholic (3)
Colorado
Duke
FSU (at least one offer already made, multiple callbacks scheduled)
Golden Gate ("some")
Hamline
John Marshall
Loyola Chicago
Miami
North Carolina (at least one offer made)
San Francisco
Santa Clara
St. John's
St. Thomas (MN)
Seton Hall
SMU
Stetson
UC Irvine
Villanova (2)
Wayne State
Posted by: Pro Bono Publico | Nov 11, 2008 7:37:37 AM
Irvine
Posted by: anon | Nov 10, 2008 7:23:25 PM
Callback at Seton Hall. Offer at BU.
Posted by: anon | Nov 10, 2008 7:18:32 PM
Callbacks: Loyola Chicago, FSU, Hamline
Posted by: anon | Nov 10, 2008 6:26:35 PM
Callbacks: SMU, Colorado, Wayne State
Posted by: anon | Nov 10, 2008 3:54:55 PM
anon at 1:35:36 PM:
Your comments were interesting. Do you think the questions you were asked were peculiar to your field? Had you not published much before (I saw that you mentioned a research agenda, but if there weren't articles, perhaps that's why they focused on teaching?). Would be interested in hearing [email protected]
Posted by: Dexter Morgan | Nov 10, 2008 2:14:32 PM
With the meat market behind us, and callbacks streaming in already, I thought I'd give a summary of what we've got (adding a bit here and there of what I know) in the hopes that we can get the information lines moving again. Please write in with your callbacks, whether listed or not.
American
Boston University
Buffalo
Catholic
Duke
FSU (at least one offer already made, callbacks scheduled)
Golden Gate ("some")
John Marshall
Miami
North Carolina (at least one offer made)
San Francisco
Santa Clara
St. John's
St. Thomas (MN)
Stetson
Villanova
Posted by: Pro Bono Publico -- Callbacks!! | Nov 10, 2008 1:41:10 PM
A couple of observations re the AALS FRC this past few days, from a candidate's point of view:
* I had a couple of interviewers ask me, in a chit-chat sort of way, if it was difficult to get from one interview to the next, given how big/complex the hotel is. I thought this was a veiled way of finding out if I got a bunch of interviews, or if instead this school was one of the very few schools foolish enough to interview me.
* I thought it was all about the research agenda, but I had a lot of questions about my teaching methodology. I am a tax guy, so maybe that makes it different? Maybe tax is so unpopular with students, or so little understood, or something, that teaching methodology is especially important?
Posted by: anon | Nov 10, 2008 1:35:36 PM
Has anyone received any interviews for VAP programs. I've applied for a few and got acknowledgments that my materials were received, but nothing else. Is VAP hiring typically done after the AALS process is through?
Posted by: Dexter Morgan | Nov 10, 2008 1:33:25 PM
Kudos to anon above for snagging 3 callbacks and an offer already - but frankly, I am surprised that schools are holding callbacks so soon (and making offers to boot, especially in light of AALS policy). Pardon me if I seem nosy -- but if the school you've got an offer from made the offer a month after your callback, that means you must have had your callback in early October -- that is, before some schools had even *scheduled* AALS interviews. Would you be willing to share any details about those schools that are already bringing in folks for callbacks (i.e., lower-tier schools eager to snag top candidates before the Top X get to them; schools with tons of money willing to spend it on early flyouts)? Or is there something particular about you as a candidate (big-gun mentors rooting for you; obscure but important research area)?
As to me, I have had about 6 pre-AALS interviews -- these have resulted in one rejection letter; the other schools have all told me that they will be making callback decisions only after AALS, which I thought was the norm. I've got about 15 interviews this weekend at AALS. One of my AALS interviews (Rutgers) was cancelled on account of the financial crisis.
Posted by: anon-non-HYSSC | Nov 4, 2008 2:43:08 PM
On the question of how long after a callback before one should assume that no offer is coming -- from the perspective of a current applicant who has completed three callbacks and received one offer: My sense is (1) that committees take a while to vote, especially at this early stage in the process, such that you probably shouldn't worry (yet), and (2) that there's absolutely no harm in calling up the hiring chair and asking what's up if you want to know (particularly if the question is just "what's your timeline").
My experience in detail: one school I had a callback with took a month and then got back to me with an offer, another said to expect a call on a specific date that was a month and a half after my callback (but also said to keep them very well informed of my schedule in case I need an answer before then), and the last didn't give any estimate at all. All three have said that I should feel free to call or email with questions, and I have taken one school up on that offer with absolutely no ill results.
For what it's worth.
Posted by: anon | Nov 3, 2008 3:29:55 PM
Best of luck to everyone at the conference this week. The information on this thread has been helpful to me -- thanks for contributing to it.
Marc
Posted by: Marc DeGirolami | Nov 2, 2008 8:41:08 AM
To anon at 3:08:52: One further consideration: If the policy position will have you writing pieces that are significantly different from (and less theoretical than) those you would be producing as an academic, it might not be worth mentioning the offer (or even that you've applied). Law schools want to be believe that you are an unadulterated scholar, and your interest in a policy position will undercut that belief. (Of course, if you've gotten a sense that law schools have been excited about your policy-oriented scholarly ambitions, then you might do well to mention the policy position, since it credentials you as someone whom policy people think can do worthwhile policy work.) Best of luck!
Posted by: anon | Oct 31, 2008 4:08:12 PM
New job offer!
I just received a non-academic, but very policy oriented, government job offer. This new position would be more prestigous than any other position I've ever had. They want me to start January 1. It would involve a big move for the family and me.
I would rather take an academic job through the AALS process, however. On the other hand, I would rather take this new job offer than continue in my current position, but would rather reject it if I will only six months later start at a law school.
Should I mention this new job offer to the schools I meet with next week?
Pros:
1) Since it's more prestigous than anything else I've ever done, it will impress the law schools.
2) Perhaps it would encourage the law schools I meet with to hurry up and decide on my application.
Con: Perhaps it's crass to drop names/prestigous job titles like that...
Thoughts?
Posted by: anon | Oct 31, 2008 3:08:52 PM
With all due respect to other non-HYSCCs like me, the HYSCC moniker comes from the fact that, historically, these schools are notoriously well-represented in terms of entry level hiring successes (see http://lsolum.typepad.com/legaltheory/entry_level_hiring_report/ -- though, judging by that report, the second C should probably be replaced with an M). It's all well and good to want to tack your top-20 school onto that list, but, let's face it, folks from Penn, Cornell, Duke, and elsewhere just aren't having the same luck.
As to hiring changes, I hear that Rutgers will be canceling its interviews due to state budgetary constraints. I think the real question is whether this is also affecting hiring at non-public institutions -- anyone know?
No idea re: anon's post-callback question.
Posted by: anon-non-HYSCC | Oct 31, 2008 2:23:44 PM
How about "HYSCC*", "*" = your school?
Anyone have a sense of last-second changes to school's ability to hire, pre-AALS? Any last minute dropouts?
Posted by: an | Oct 31, 2008 1:42:34 PM
How long after a callback before one assumes no offer is coming?
Posted by: anon | Oct 30, 2008 6:09:57 PM
I agree. Let's not forget Northwestern!
Posted by: Anon | Oct 30, 2008 4:39:42 PM
Also, why all the reference to "HYSCC"? I thought the term was "HYSCCN." Let's not forget the "N" people!!!
Posted by: Anon | Oct 28, 2008 11:46:42 PM
Creighton claims that "many" other schools are reconsidering their hiring decisions. Where are people hearing about these decisions, other than here? I have not had any school I am interviewing with, other than Creighton, tell me of any freeze. At least Creighton cancelled their interview; kudos to them.
Posted by: Anon | Oct 28, 2008 6:16:41 PM
T.J.--thanks for the heads up. I've enjoyed my post-JD graduate work and teaching as an adjunct and would love to find a teaching position one way or another. Best to you as well.
Posted by: NIT | Oct 28, 2008 1:16:19 PM
NIT - Here are a couple of good sources of information for non-law school, law teaching vacancies:
http://chronicle.com/jobs/100/600/5000/
http://www.higheredjobs.com/faculty/search.cfm?JobCat=228
In my (limited) experience, these types of positions are much more obtainable for most of us than a law school appointment through the AALS.
Posted by: T.J. | Oct 28, 2008 11:21:28 AM
Creighton University just canceled my interview "due to the current economic environment" and to defer hiring "until there is some improvement on the economic front." Ouch!
Posted by: anon | Oct 27, 2008 6:21:38 PM
I was excited to see a comment by David Case. For those interested in an absolutely fantastic law school hiring story, check out his 'The Pedagogical Don Quixote De La Mississippi." I go back to it time and again for inspiration as this process unfolds. Thanks David!
Posted by: anon | Oct 27, 2008 4:46:01 PM
In response to the last two posts from practioners, Jeffrey Lipshaw recently published an excellent piece on trying to make the transition to the academy after a significant number of years in practice -- Memo to Lawyers: How Not to Retire and Teach, 30 N.C. Cent. L. Rev. 151 (2008). Highly recommended.
Posted by: David Case | Oct 27, 2008 4:08:33 PM
Hello all--The AALS seems like the NCAA basketball tournament--it can be tough for those from the less elite schools to get in. I am wondering if there is something like the NIT for law profs.
Does anyone know if there are alternative sources of info for aspiring law profs who don't get invited to the AALS dance? I'm aware of the VAP lists, but am curious about whether there are lists of undergraduate teaching positions related to the law or international law teaching positions.
By way of quick background, I have recent three publications and a respectable international LLM (in human rights law). My guess is that the selection committee looked at my weak schedule before that (a decade and a half as a practitioner and relatively undistinguished JD performance) and figured it was better to invite more teams from the big conferences.
Good luck to those of you headed for the dance.
Posted by: Is there an NIT for AALS? | Oct 27, 2008 9:49:53 AM
Is the professor's life really that less hectic than the practitioner's? I'm inclined to think so, what with summers off, as well as winter/spring break, etc, but maybe I'm misperceiving? How truly "off" are summers? Would summering in the mountains, quietly reading/researching/thinking/writing (as well as playing with my kids) be an OK thing?
One thing about being a practitioner: I can never get anything done! Somebody constantly comes into my office to ask me about something or another, there's the flood of emails and phone calls, the temptation to surf the internet, on to the next project, before I really sank my teeth into the last project -- how can one ever focus?!
I want to be left quietly alone in an obscure corner of the law library to i) research/think/write; and ii) prep my notes to give a class lecture. I don't want the internet to distract me -- except maybe to look up something quickly on Westlaw. Nor do I want a cell-phone. Is that do-able? Culturally, is a law prof more or less expected to be in his/her office all working hours, in the same way that a practitioner is? Or can I only be there for "office hours" to see students, and the rest of the time get away to a library to be left alone?
How much administrative stuff is the law prof expected to do? How much serving on faculty recruitment committees, serving on faculty governance committees, etc, etc is expected? My hatred of adminstrative stuff, and wanting to work on "pure" legal theory, is a large part of what attracts me to academia. OK, the idea of having lunch once/twice a week with faculty colleagues, and once a week with students, appeals to me, that's OK, or even more than OK. But I really do want to get away, to be left alone, to do what I think most law schools really want faculty to be doing.
Thoughts?
Posted by: TheoreticianTrappedInAPractitionersBody | Oct 27, 2008 1:39:29 AM
UNC and FSU should also be on the list, as they've already extended offers which likely came after call backs.
Posted by: PBP | Oct 25, 2008 6:20:13 PM
A new call back aggregation. Not tons new, but I'm hoping to spur folks to disclosure. New schools asterisked, numbers of call backs in parenthesis. Please also post if you've got new call back information about a school already on the list, and please point out mistakes/omissions.
American
Boston University
Buffalo (2)
* Catholic
Duke
* Golden Gate ("some")
Miami
* San Francisco
Santa Clara
St. John's
Villanova
Posted by: Pro Bono Publico | Oct 25, 2008 6:13:28 PM
Golden Gate has invited some local candidates for callbacks.
Posted by: anon | Oct 25, 2008 4:35:25 PM
Does anyone get the idea that with the number of VAPs/Fellowships offered per year being far less than the number of tenure-track positions offered per year, that getting a VAP/Fellowship is harder than getting a tenure track offer?
Posted by: anon | Oct 25, 2008 3:06:43 AM
Anyone out there applying for VAPs and hear anything yet?
Seems like VAPs might be a good way to ride out the hiring freezes/declines.
Posted by: young anon | Oct 24, 2008 5:20:58 PM
Here is a thread which may be informative on the hiring freeze issue:
http://chronicle.com/forums/index.php/topic,53773.0.html
Posted by: T.J. | Oct 24, 2008 9:52:17 AM
Sad Anon, I feel your pain, bro (or sis, as it may be). There's just no way around the fact that this is a deeply frustrating and humiliating process. I haven't been so stressed out since, well, ever.
the hedgehog
Posted by: hedgehog | Oct 23, 2008 8:16:34 PM
USF Call Back
Posted by: anon | Oct 23, 2008 3:47:53 PM
Dammit anon, you're right. But she was still exceptionally annoying.
Posted by: Sanguine anon | Oct 23, 2008 12:02:43 PM
Wait, wasn't cassandra the one telling the truth but no one heeded her?
Posted by: anon | Oct 23, 2008 11:57:21 AM
I should make clear that I did not mean that you, sad anon, are one of the anonymous Cassandras...I'm thinking of other blogs.
Posted by: Sanguine anon | Oct 23, 2008 11:52:59 AM
Sad anon--
Chin up, my friend!! Here comes the AALS conference in all of its sado-masochistic splendor. Opportunity awaits the brave and fearless academic gladiator!!
Seriously, I've had it with the gloom and doom about hiring market freezes and comments from anonymous Cassandras that people with interviews should expect not to get any offers. No one can know that so far in advance. Things are just getting warmed up...
Ave atque vale!
Posted by: Sanguine anon (at least today) | Oct 23, 2008 11:48:21 AM
Just received a rejection letter from a school (ranked in the 50-100 range) where I had a pre-AALS interview. It was one of my top choices - an ideal fit in terms of geography and curricular need - and I thought the interview went well. And now I've sunk to a new low: turning to anonymous internet compatriots to boost my mood and confidence. If anyone has any wise words of optimism/support, I'd love to hear them.
Posted by: sad-anon | Oct 23, 2008 11:02:22 AM
Michigan
Posted by: anon | Oct 22, 2008 11:18:16 PM
South Carolina cancelled its interviews. A number of other schools, including Connecticut, W&M, Washing, Arizona, Colorado and BU are announcing hiring freezes!!! What does this mean if I have scheduled an interview wth one of these schools? Is it fair to ask them in advance of D.C. whether they anticipate hiring? Help!!!!
http://www.thefacultylounge.org/2008/10/slow-down-in-hi.html
Posted by: anon | Oct 21, 2008 5:34:49 PM
South Carolina is cancelling all interviews at AALS citing legislative budget cuts.
Posted by: anon | Oct 21, 2008 3:30:40 PM
Did over a month's worth of comments disappear, or is it just me? They seem to stop on Sep 9.
Posted by: anon | Oct 20, 2008 8:35:49 PM
To anon at 5:12 PM --
Tough call. Perhaps it depends on why you didn't go to HYSCC. If you didn't go to Harvard, even though they accepted you, because you can't stand the cold weather, then it's probably not worth mentioning when interviewing with Boston University Law School.
On the other hand, if you say something like this, it might be worthwhile: "I'm so glad to be talking to you folks at Boston University Law School. I've always greatly enjoyed Boston. In fact, I was deeply honored [please don't say 'humbled' -- I find that very irksome] to be accepted to attend Harard Law, and greatly considered it because I like Boston so much, but I decided against Harvard because a) my spouse was attending Georgetown Law, so I wanted to be with her; b) my father was dying of cancer, and I wanted to attend law school near him; c) I was fortunate to receive a full scholarship to the law school I went to."
My two cents...
Posted by: anon | Oct 20, 2008 8:04:55 PM
South Carolina has cancelled my interview due to the economic problems and a severe budget shortfall. I was told that it is cancelling all AALS interviews. Whoa...
Posted by: anon | Oct 20, 2008 5:29:46 PM
I chose a lesser-ranked school over HYSCC. Any way I can work in the fact that I was accepted to HYSCC into my materials? Or, too tacky and of minimal worth?
Posted by: anon | Oct 20, 2008 5:12:51 PM
One more data point from a non-HYSCC guy, and someone (just) outside the top 14 (or 16 or 17 or whatever). Just under 20 interviews total. I think it can be done -- though I haven't gotten a job yet, so I may have to revise my view! But I also think it requires more time and methodicial collection of the other kinds of credentials that seem to be important. I remember that Prof. Penalver once described the HYSCC factor as a 'one-way screen.' If you haven't got it -- let alone if you're not in the 'elite' tier at all -- you've got to work that much harder to convince a committee to give you a look. That means you need *more* of the following, if possible, than your elite law school buddies: (1) multiple publications that are both well-placed (or at least not indecently placed) and that are deemed 'solid'; (2) app. ct. clerkship (S. Ct. always works too, of course); (3) VAP and/or fellowship (and both seem to be a good idea if you are non-elite); (4) graduate degrees; (5) advisors at super-elite places to go to bat for you in a way that somehow goes beyond what they might do for the law school elite candidates...you have to get to know them and have shared your work with them so that they not only approve and support you, but so that they really feel that they must tell their friends that not to take this non-HYSCC candidate would be to miss out on a gold mine.
Incidentally, this is one of the many great benefits, in my view, of doing an LL.M. and, better, a JSD or SJD at HYSCNYU. A fellowship alone, even a two year fellowship, is too short a time to form lasting relationships with professors at elite schools whom a non-elite candidate has not met before. The graduate law degrees allow the non-elite candidate not only to really cultivate the relationship over a number of years, but also to get the professors really engaged with an extended, massive research project, or set of projects. That's the only way you can prove yourself as much as you need to. As a non-elite candidate, it may be even more helpful to have elite advisors on your team than it is for those who are already at the top tier. That's only the instrumental benefit to these degrees, of course. There are other important intrinsic benefits that I won't go into.
Going on the market as a non-elite candidate is like trying to wash away the stain of original sin -- the original sin of not having attended an elite school. It can never really be done...but one can go a good way toward redeeming oneself. It just takes a methodical and concerted effort -- years of disciplined planning to get your ducks in a row (it take slightly less if you are interested in tax or business law, but I still think it takes longer). But there are some advantages too. For you Pats fans, Tom Brady was selected in the sixth round and he's never, ever forgotten it -- somebody asked him last year how he manages to stay motivated after so much success, and he answered something like, "Ummm, do you know I got picked in the sixth round?"
Posted by: Non-elite candidate | Oct 19, 2008 10:44:46 AM
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