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Monday, February 05, 2018

Submission Angsting Spring 2018

This is the post to share information or ask questions about submitting to law reviews.

The comments can be used to share information, complaints, praise, etc. about which journals you have heard from, which you have not, and so forth.

Additionally, a spreadsheet to gather information is here (and embedded below).

I won't update or watch the spreadsheet. You can go ahead and add your own information by going to the spreadsheet here. The spreadsheet is editable by anyone, except that a few columns and a row (the ones highlighted in yellow) are locked, either because they auto-calculate or because tampering with them has caused a problem in the past. (If something about them needs to be changed post a comment, and I will change them.) As more information is added, I will do some pointless data calculations on subsequent sheets.

Entering information in the column entitled "Username" is of course totally optional, but a way to make keeping track easier. For example, if you pick a username, you will easily be able to sort by your entries and update them, instead of trying to remember what day you submitted and sorting that way. This also adds information -- showing, for example, that all of the entries on the spreadsheet come from one person, or from lots of people, etc. At any rate, totally optional, and simply a way to add more information.

Rostron & Levit's extremely helpful guide to submitting to law reviews is available here (this is the January 2018 version). Rostron and Levit have also posted a list of links to law review websites.

I cannot link to the last page of comments, due to a Typepad change.

Posted by Sarah Lawsky on February 5, 2018 at 10:21 AM in Law Review Review | Permalink


When expediting, what law journal ranking do people follow? Offer received from a T40 journal whose W&L ranking is lower than its USN ranking.

Posted by: TT | Feb 12, 2018 9:54:12 AM

@anon. I submitted on 2/7 to most of the top 50. I expedited from a T20 offer yesterday. In response, was notified of a t15 board review and got a ding from Wisconsin.

Posted by: thisisforty | Feb 12, 2018 9:54:20 AM

Another question: Do you withdraw from lower-ranked journals upon receipt of an offer or upon acceptance of an offer?

Posted by: TT | Feb 12, 2018 12:09:06 PM

Is it me or are there fewer non-responders this year? The only top 15 law reviews that have no rejections listed by my count are California, Cornell, Harvard, NYU and Georgetown. Cornell and NYU might be explained by opening late, and Harvard by taking 62 days for each decision. If my (admittedly rough) hypothesis is right, it's nice to see law reviews getting more thoughtful on this front.

Posted by: jrprof | Feb 12, 2018 12:17:20 PM

Anyone know if any of the sports and entertainment law specialties are reviewing yet?

Posted by: SportAnon | Feb 12, 2018 12:26:59 PM

TT: upon receipt.
sportanon: i know of at least one that is.

Posted by: danielle tiger | Feb 12, 2018 12:29:19 PM

TT: People disagree on this, but I think tie goes to rating journals by USNews ranking. And, to your second question, I'm guessing practices differ on this as well. I'm risk adverse and wait until I've accepted an offer to withdraw from other journals, although I do withdraw right away after accepting.

Posted by: aProf | Feb 12, 2018 1:21:23 PM

Any sense of one's chances of acceptance after being selected for a full board review?

Posted by: anon | Feb 12, 2018 1:22:04 PM

jrprof I know you're kidding about the 62 days, but does anyone have a sense of how long the process at Harvard actually is?

Posted by: anon | Feb 12, 2018 1:24:10 PM

Over the last 5 years, I'd guess that roughly 1/3 of my full board reviews resulted in an offer. Also, in my experience, highly personalized board review notification emails resulted in more offers than less personalized board review notification emails.

Posted by: anon_prof | Feb 12, 2018 2:03:10 PM

Hi! I’m new to this process so I really don’t know how long it may take to hear back from them. How do we interpret silence (it’s better than rejection, I guess)? Do they usually notify us if our article passes preliminary review? Any insight is helpful!

Posted by: Anon! | Feb 12, 2018 2:14:11 PM

Anon! -

There's really no way to know. I've sent out pieces that have immediately received an offer which in turn generated a bunch more offers via the expedite process. I've sent out pieces that have immediately received an offer that generated no more offers. I've sent out pieces and heard nothing for well over a month, only to get a T20 offer. I've sent out pieces in one cycle and received no offers only to submit them the next year and get an offer from a very highly ranked journal. My placements have only loosely correlated with the quality of the articles. About the only generalization that seems to hold is anon_prof's about personalized board notification emails.

Posted by: Tenured Guy | Feb 12, 2018 3:15:55 PM

What, exactly, constitutes a personalized -- as opposed to a less personalized -- board notification email?

Posted by: Anony | Feb 12, 2018 3:32:41 PM

One other question: Based on the spreadsheet it appears that Notre Dame is rejecting pretty quickly this cycle. Is that the consensus, or are there others who have been waiting for word from ND for a while now?

Posted by: Anony | Feb 12, 2018 3:40:23 PM

anonFeb12 @9:32: My weekend was ding-ful. Rejections from: Chicago, Columbia articles, Notre Dame, Washington University and UNC, not off of expedite. Submitted February 2/2

Posted by: anon2018 | Feb 12, 2018 3:53:38 PM

Whoa, quick ding from Cal in less than 24 hours (and no expedite). Guess they really didn't like it!

Posted by: prefers the sound of silence | Feb 12, 2018 3:59:45 PM

Also just got the Cal ding. Submitted 7/10.

Posted by: anon | Feb 12, 2018 4:44:58 PM

Same- just got a Cal ding. Submitted 2/6

Posted by: First Timer | Feb 12, 2018 5:17:15 PM

How far up the ladder do you normally expedite? For example, if you have a T75 offer, do you expedite incrementally (say up to the T40 or T50), or all the way up to the top?

Posted by: Anon | Feb 12, 2018 6:24:32 PM

I recommend expediting to the top. This was my lesson last year. I had a couple of offers in the 75-100 range and waited for a mid-range offer before expediting to the top. I finally gave up and expedited to the top. A few days later, I was notified of a board read at a T-14 that resulted in an offer.

Posted by: prefers the sound of silence | Feb 12, 2018 7:15:38 PM

Any sense of which top 20 journals notify of board reads and which do not? From past experience, Stanford, Cal, and Northwestern all did.

Posted by: aprof | Feb 13, 2018 2:52:04 AM

Over the years, I’ve gotten board review notifications from Yale, Harvard, Stanford. Columbia. Chicago, Duke, Penn, California, Northwestern, Michigan, Georgetown, UCLA, USC, Vanderbilt, WashU, BU, William & Mary, Fordham, Arizona, and W&L. A little more than 1/3 of these board notifications turned into offers. I’ve received offers with no such notification from Cornell, Texas, Iowa, UCLA, Notre Dame, Minnesota, Boston College, Wisconsin, Indiana, Georgia, WashU, Utah, FSU, and Florida. I’ve also found journal practices to be fairly consistent over the years, even with different boards.

Posted by: yetanotheranon | Feb 13, 2018 7:13:54 AM

Did you only get board notifications off expedites? Or just out of the blue from the first group of journals? I imagine alot of places may ask for more time and let you know of board review off an expedite but how many let you know out of the blue?

Posted by: anon | Feb 13, 2018 9:22:20 AM

@aprof: in my experience cal did not notify, so it varies year to year (and maybe within years).

Posted by: danielle tiger | Feb 13, 2018 9:27:02 AM

I do think it varies from year to year. For example, UCLA informed me of a board read a couple of years ago.

Posted by: michael barnum | Feb 13, 2018 9:34:16 AM

But Duke did not inform me of a board read, fyi.

Posted by: michael burnham | Feb 13, 2018 9:36:41 AM

My experience is also different than the above list. Sounds like this year we know that someone was told of full board reads from Duke and Gtown after an expedite, does anyone know of any others? Surely much of the T14 has started making offers. Though not to me.

Posted by: Anon | Feb 13, 2018 9:52:12 AM

UCLA has done full board reads.

Posted by: anonagain | Feb 13, 2018 11:58:03 AM

Iowa and Texas sings this morning. 2/8 submission.

Posted by: Anon | Feb 13, 2018 12:37:12 PM

Wash U ding today. 2/5 submission

Posted by: Anon | Feb 13, 2018 1:07:24 PM

Need to withdraw from most journals... My sense is that Harvard has not in many years published any corporate, commercial, bankruptcy, or financial regulation articles unless you're a Harvard prof. Yale, Chicago, and Penn publish business articles from outsiders regularly. (One can always dream). What about the others in the top 20, any particularly pro- or anti-business journals?

Posted by: tenurewindowbusprof | Feb 13, 2018 1:36:04 PM

Has anyone received an offer from Texas, Duke, UCLA or BYU?

Posted by: Anon! | Feb 13, 2018 2:03:37 PM

Is there a point in submitting to Northwestern if they've rejected me on their exclusive submission cycle?

Posted by: anon | Feb 13, 2018 2:19:53 PM

Anonagain, you said UCLA has done full board reads. Does that mean they are notifying people who progressed that far and silence means we haven’t made the cut (yet)? Or are you working on inside info?

Posted by: Anon | Feb 13, 2018 2:21:45 PM

I expedited to UCLA a few days ago - my deadline is later this week. They wrote back and said that if I made it to full board review, I would need to get an extension of my offer because the earliest they could decide would be a week from now. They said they would tell me by my deadline if I got to a full board read. I'm not getting my hopes up, but it does suggest that they are selecting articles for board reads, if not already doing them.

Posted by: Alsoanon | Feb 13, 2018 2:29:30 PM

got notified of board review (or "next stage of review") but no timeline. how long does it typically take, more like 3 days or more like 3 weeks, or is it just totally variable?

Posted by: #angstsohard | Feb 13, 2018 2:31:12 PM

#angstsohard, that really depends on which journal it is. It is absolutely fair to ask, if they've reached out to you, how long the process will take.

Posted by: anon | Feb 13, 2018 2:41:47 PM

I know that if Columbia makes an offer as a result of an expedite they give you a very short time to respond (1 hour?). Do any other journals in the top 20 do this?

Posted by: anon | Feb 13, 2018 2:43:26 PM

Once Northwestern has rejected your piece, I think that is it - you don't get a second bite at the apple in this submission cycle.

Posted by: anon | Feb 13, 2018 2:43:58 PM

I think NYU and Penn also have the one-hour offer deal. (one hour from actual notification.) A bunch of others have 24 hour offers.

Posted by: anon | Feb 13, 2018 3:06:10 PM

You can sometimes get a significantly longer timeline even from top-15 journals, especially by withdrawing from all but one or two journals, and especially early in the season (later in the season the journals get more worried about time)

Posted by: anon | Feb 13, 2018 3:19:24 PM

Do law reviews look at your article on SSRN? Will those stats (high downloads/views or low downloads/views) influence their publication decision?

Posted by: First Timer | Feb 13, 2018 3:50:31 PM

Arizona state query: a few days ago I submitted my piece to Arizona State. I have not heard anything back from them. Now they seem to be closed on Scholastica. Thoughts please?

Posted by: newbe | Feb 13, 2018 4:58:29 PM

newbe: i don't have an answer, but i went back and looked on scholastica and it looks like GW and Georgia are also closed now. not sure what it means.

Posted by: anon | Feb 13, 2018 5:03:56 PM

i doubt they look at ssrn. many people would have just uploaded the artilce and hence have few stats. also i am not sure many 2l and 3l students really even understand what ssrn is. being that it is so heavily dependent on when you uploaded the article i doubt it means much.

Posted by: anon | Feb 13, 2018 5:09:12 PM

Newbe - The Arizona State thing does seem a bit strange; dunno what's going on there. But GW and Georgia have not, as far as I can tell, opened yet this season (same with Minn, Indiana, BU). Not that surprising - checking my notes from last year this may be par for the course for at least some of them. Cardozo for example always opens a little late.

Posted by: anonish | Feb 13, 2018 5:24:50 PM

Anyone have info on whether NYU or Michigan's boards are meeting? Thanks.

Posted by: anon | Feb 13, 2018 5:45:15 PM

Anonish - GW and Georgia were open until today. I submitted to both on 2/8.

Posted by: anon | Feb 13, 2018 5:50:46 PM

Anon - so weird. I've been keeping an eye on them for over a week and I've never seen them open. Georgia actually says they aren't accepting submissions yet for this cycle:https://georgia-law-review.scholasticahq.com/for-authors

Posted by: anonish | Feb 13, 2018 5:56:48 PM

Re: anon 5:45:15, I received a Michigan offer a few days ago, so they appear to be meeting.

Posted by: Michigan | Feb 13, 2018 6:10:37 PM

Is an Essay at YLJ worth more than an article at a T-50 flagship? Should one take the essay and count on the prestige of YLJ to make up for the fact that it's an essay, or would it be better to take an article designation at the T-50 flagship?

Posted by: YesterdayIKilledAMammoth | Feb 13, 2018 8:27:16 PM

Take the YLJ. It's a no brainier to me, essay or not.

Posted by: Anony | Feb 13, 2018 8:38:37 PM

if i'm too dumb to figure out how to expedite using the YLJ site then i'm probably too dumb to publish there? also, HLR site says that the date i entered is not a date. anyone? do they want it the british way or something?

Posted by: chiquilina | Feb 13, 2018 8:43:08 PM

sorry people, i figured out yale. duh.

Posted by: chiquilina | Feb 13, 2018 8:46:05 PM

pro tip: HLR expedite request works on chrome but not on firefox (for me). just fyi-- i'll stop posting now i swear.

Posted by: chiquilina | Feb 13, 2018 8:48:41 PM

Arizona State said that it isn't opening until July.

Posted by: Nachos Bel Grande | Feb 13, 2018 10:18:57 PM

I have a friend who is in the really fortunate position of having two offers from journals associated with law schools in the top six of the US News and World report rankings - Yale, Stanford, Harvard, Chicago, Columbia, NYU. On the basis of your perceived reputation of the journals, how would you rank the top six?

Posted by: first world problems | Feb 13, 2018 10:33:01 PM

My opinion: Yale, Harvard, Stanford, Columbia, NYU, Chicago.

Also, I have to praise Stanford for a minute. Stanford has long been criticized on these angsting threads for its curt "your article has been rejected" canned response to unlucky authors. Tonight I received my rejection (no surprise), but it was accompanied by a lengthy, personalized note complimenting me on my piece. Seems like the move to Scholastica wasn't the only change for Stanford this cycle. A welcome change!

Posted by: anon | Feb 13, 2018 11:09:03 PM

I got a similar personalized rejection from Stanford. Makes me wonder if it’s just a better canned response. Still nicer though.

Posted by: Alsoanon | Feb 13, 2018 11:12:48 PM

First world problems, can you tell us when your friend submitted? And I more or less agree w the ranking above, but think C/C/N are all about the same after YHS.

Posted by: Anon | Feb 14, 2018 7:57:40 AM

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