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Friday, August 04, 2017

Law Review Submission Angsting Thread: Fall 2017

It looks to be about that time of year again.  Post here for comments about your law review submission experiences.  I'm wondering if the Northwestern exclusive review, with its decisions made by July 28, has moved up the process a bit.

UPDATE: You can get to the last page of the comments here.

Posted by Matt Bodie on August 4, 2017 at 08:32 AM in Law Review Review | Permalink

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6:50PM: I ignore most of those requirements and always submit my articles formatted law review style, usually in a PDF. I think honestly most of those requirements are a decade out of date and the editors are too lazy to change them. I've never had a journal reject a piece because it wasn't double spaced.

Posted by: Angster | Aug 9, 2017 7:16:15 PM

Yup. I don't pay any attention to formatting requirements. I'll take care of that after the article is accepted.

Posted by: YesterdayIKilledAMammoth | Aug 9, 2017 7:53:02 PM

Offer late last night from a T30.

Posted by: LawProf | Aug 10, 2017 8:38:43 AM

Offer from a T75 yesterday, a handful of quick rejections after I submitted last week, and otherwise silence.

Posted by: anon-nonny-non | Aug 10, 2017 9:02:53 AM

Congratulations, LawProf!

Posted by: AnonE | Aug 10, 2017 9:10:13 AM

Have Texas, Vandy, and Duke sent rejections yet this cycle?

Posted by: IP Prof | Aug 10, 2017 12:29:30 PM

I got a Texas rejection.

Posted by: anon | Aug 10, 2017 12:57:35 PM

LawProf, was the T30 offer from an expedite? How long ago did you submit? Anon-nonny-non, how long ago did you submit? Congrats to you both!

Posted by: Chillangster | Aug 10, 2017 1:22:36 PM

And I add - in what day of the expedite did you get the offer?

Posted by: Anon | Aug 10, 2017 1:41:16 PM

And I add - in what day of the expedite did you get the offer?

Posted by: Anon | Aug 10, 2017 1:41:24 PM

Acceptances from a T50ish LR and two of the top five tech/IP journals (going by the W&L rankings, which are not perfect). Under articles committee review by a T20 journal.

Rejections from Yale, Stanford, Chicago, Columbia, Georgetown, and William and Mary.

Silence otherwise.

Posted by: IP Prof | Aug 10, 2017 1:43:53 PM

Which journals inform you when you are under committee review? All T30?

Posted by: AnonE | Aug 10, 2017 1:46:02 PM

Don't know. They informed me because they needed another three days past my expedite (which I received).

Posted by: IP Prof | Aug 10, 2017 1:46:55 PM

I submitted on 8/2, offer on 8/9. I've gotten rejections from Vandy, Chicago, NC, Georgia, Michigan and Cornell. Hoping to get something else off the expedite by early next week - fingers crossed!

Posted by: anon-nonny-non | Aug 10, 2017 1:52:07 PM

I only submitted to journals that accept email submissions. Has anyone else had luck with that in this cycle or past ones? If so, does it mean anything when journals take your email submission and upload it to Scholastica on your behalf? I have had a few journals do that which has been great, though I imagine it is part of their standard review process.

Posted by: Clerk | Aug 10, 2017 4:14:27 PM

Clerk: I have submitted via email before to journals that accept email submissions. Generally the editors responded to my email to acknowledge receipt, and most (if not all) also gave me decisions, rather than ignoring me. So email submissions may have some limited benefit there.

I've read on these threads that email submissions are to be avoided because they send the signal that you're not affiliated with a school or your school is so low-ranked that it doesn't have an institutional account with Expresso or Scholastica. But, for what it's worth, I've had a couple of email submissions accepted, including by a T25ish journal. I wouldn't rule out an email submission in the future, though it wouldn't be my first choice for a journal that is on Expresso or Scholastica.

As for uploading the article to Scholastica, I think that's part of the standard process. It makes things easier for the journal to have everything in one place. I had one journal tell me right after I submitted that they would do that, so I don't think it signaled that they were strongly considering my article.

Good luck!

Posted by: Dancing | Aug 10, 2017 4:56:47 PM

Submitted on 8/8. Got a T60ish offer today with an 8/17 deadline. Would you immediately expedite up the line or wait a couple days to see if something more attractive shakes out?

Posted by: AnonJuniorProf | Aug 10, 2017 5:24:37 PM

Thanks @Dancing!
@AnonJuniorProf - I would immediately expedite, but I was under the impression that if someone "more attractive" came about after doing so, you could update your expedite request with that information. Is that incorrect?

Posted by: Clerk | Aug 10, 2017 5:32:56 PM

@Clerk - No, you're right about updating the expedite request, and I have done that before. I guess it's more a matter of first impression with the expedite, and since my article has been out there such a short period of time maybe it is worth waiting at least a day to see what happens. Undoubtedly, I am overthinking this. But isn't that the essence of angsting? :)

Posted by: AnonJuniorProf | Aug 10, 2017 5:41:43 PM

I have still heard absolutely nothing -- yay or nay -- on my 8/7 submission to T30 journals. Patience is not my virtue. Nor, apparently, is chill.

Posted by: AnonE | Aug 10, 2017 5:53:40 PM

@AnonJuniorProf that makes sense! I think I'd be in favor of expediting now, then updating when necessary, since it gives you two opportunities to remind them that other journals have expressed interest. This is my first cycle though so I defer to others.

Posted by: Clerk | Aug 10, 2017 7:25:47 PM

Following in Scott Dodson's lead: I'm the faculty advisor for the Kentucky Law Journal. They just informed me that they are actively reviewing articles and have three slots to fill this fall. They accept submissions through Scholastica or by email at editors@kentuckylawjournal.org.

Posted by: Josh Douglas | Aug 10, 2017 10:27:50 PM

AnonJuniorProf,

No big harm in waiting a day or so because the offering journal gave you a pretty generous window, but all other things being equal I would probably do the expedite now. Some journals may be able to consider the article with a longer window but not with a shorter one, so expediting sooner can help. And as you know, if a more prestigious offer comes in you can update with that info. Good luck.

Posted by: Orin Kerr | Aug 11, 2017 12:07:16 AM

Regarding email submissions, I now submit exclusively to journals that have their own submission systems or that accept email submissions. I no longer submit through Scholastica because it is a racket. I guess it's my futile, one-man rebellion.

That said, I've done pretty well off of email submissions. Everyone reads articles nowadays on SSRN or online databases, so the 'prestige' of the journal matters less and less since people find your article now based on keyword searches rather than what journals their libraries carry.

Posted by: YesterdayIKilledAMammoth | Aug 11, 2017 1:21:54 AM

YIKAM,

Your rebellion is at least a futile, TWO-man rebellion. This fall I dramatically limited my Scholastica submissions -- though I admit, I haven't cut them out completely. For two short articles (intended for the online reviews) and one full-length article, I've only submitted through Scholastica a total of 14 times with another two submissions on Expresso. I've found journals to be very responsive, and all three of my offers this fall have come off email submissions. I find the multiple submission "platforms" slightly inconvenient, but with some journals (such as Georgetown Online) using their own submission system, this is unavoidable anyway. Keep up the good fight!

Posted by: Michael Cicchini | Aug 11, 2017 10:16:08 AM

Thoughts on Georgia State versus UNLV?

Posted by: Anon | Aug 11, 2017 3:13:50 PM

@Anon, they seem to be peers. If you have a geographic preference I would go with that, otherwise just feel out the e boards.

In other news, I got my first rejection this afternoon. Better than silence. I think.

Posted by: Clerk | Aug 11, 2017 3:30:44 PM

Historically, Georgia State has ranked higher than UNLV, I'd go with them.

Posted by: LawProf | Aug 11, 2017 3:32:29 PM

Did anyone else get Scholastica's email complaining that "Elsevier is angling to take control of law-related scholarly content"? Weren't they bragging earlier this year about how more and more schools were exclusively using Scholastica for article submission? http://blog.scholasticahq.com/post/top-law-review-submissions-2017/

The nerve!

Posted by: LaughingatScholastica | Aug 11, 2017 3:51:13 PM

Seriously, while antitrust litigation over law reviews would no doubt amuse and would supply endless exam questions, now is really the time for somebody, say, the AALS, to step in and put an end to this.

Posted by: LaughingatScholastica | Aug 11, 2017 3:57:48 PM

Can we stick to placement related posts please and save the discussion of antitrust litigation for another day?

Posted by: LawProf | Aug 11, 2017 4:00:33 PM

In defense of LaughingatScholastica and his/her post, I think that's fair game for this thread. There have been multiple comments and questions about different submission methods, the journals' preferences, the costs, etc., both in this thread and in previous seasons' threads.

As for UNLV v. Ga. State, they appear to be comparable -- in fact, right next to each other -- in USN rank and also the peer score that some people favor. (Don't be fooled by the numeric gap in peer score; due to ties, I think they are literally next to each other.) I think Clerk's comment about geographical preference makes sense. (For practitioners, geography might even be a significant factor.)

Posted by: Michael Cicchini | Aug 11, 2017 4:35:29 PM

Looking at each school's average ranking over the past ten years, UNLV is at 74.6; Georgia State is at 61.7. Easy decision.

Posted by: LawProf | Aug 11, 2017 4:42:14 PM

Just got an offer from a T20 law review! I had given up all hope. Junior faculty, only in job for two years, so I am thrilled! I had gotten a few rejections from lower T100 journals earlier today.

Posted by: IP Prof | Aug 11, 2017 6:43:43 PM

Congratulations, IP Prof! That's awesome! Was this off an expedite?

Posted by: AnonE | Aug 11, 2017 6:48:03 PM

NVM - I scrolled up and see that it was. That's so great -- congrats again.

Posted by: AnonE | Aug 11, 2017 6:51:47 PM

I also join in the anti-Scholastica movement. I am not a prof, so I pay my own way. This makes Scholastica too costly. If my article is accepted this season it will be my third non-Scholastica publication.

Posted by: Anon | Aug 11, 2017 8:51:27 PM

Congrats IP Prof! This whole process seems like the worst until it's suddenly the best. To do this job, you have to be good with rejection. You can get dinged 40 times to one acceptance, but based upon the strength of that one acceptance, you can be wildly successful.

Posted by: Axel Foley | Aug 11, 2017 11:30:40 PM

Do Law reviews sometimes extend an offer after the exact expedite time has expired?

Posted by: Anon | Aug 12, 2017 1:47:09 PM

Congrats IP Prof! I have had to remind myself every cycle that this is far from a linear or rational process. I'll get dinged from a dozen lower T100 journals for the first week and assume all hope is lost until that T30 rolls in. I'm having to do that again this cycle, as the rejections are coming fast and furious from all over the board. Your success gives me hope!

Posted by: Anon | Aug 12, 2017 2:11:15 PM

Anyone received any rejections today?

Posted by: LawProf | Aug 12, 2017 3:04:55 PM

Yes, I received rejections today from Rutgers, Northeastern, and Harvard Negotiation Journal.

Posted by: Anon | Aug 12, 2017 3:19:34 PM

I got a rejection from Georgia.

Posted by: AnonE | Aug 12, 2017 4:11:15 PM

Was your Georgia rejection within the ten day window they have promised everyone?

Posted by: Anon | Aug 12, 2017 4:17:07 PM

Yes. I submitted to Georgia on 8/8.

Posted by: AnonE | Aug 12, 2017 4:27:16 PM

Rejections from Northeastern today, Richmond yesterday, and Washington and Michigan State on Thursday.

Posted by: Dancing | Aug 12, 2017 5:03:13 PM

Speaking of rejections, do you all respond to the rejection emails? In the past I always have, just to thank them for letting me know. What do others do?

Posted by: Dancing | Aug 12, 2017 5:05:45 PM

I got arizona state today. I think they are working in the weekends to clear their backlog as I assume most are still at their summer jobs.

Posted by: anon | Aug 12, 2017 5:56:17 PM

I don't respond, and I think a response would be seen by the editors as extremely unusual. It's a form letter; there is no point in responding.

Posted by: Angster | Aug 12, 2017 5:56:29 PM

I'm curious to hear about others' expedite strategies. I typically expedite in stages, meaning that I expedite to the 20-30 journals above my current offer and then repeat that again if I get a higher ranked offer. For instance, two days ago I received a T60ish offer so I expedited to all the journals between 30-60. A colleague uses this approach and convinced me to do the same because "Harvard doesn't care if you got an offer from Kansas." But I worry this approach disadvantages me with the higher ranked journals - if I let my article sit with them for a week or more without making an expedite request, even from a significantly lower ranked journal, might they think everyone is passing on the piece even if I have multiple respectable offers in the 60s and 70s?

Posted by: Anon | Aug 12, 2017 6:19:57 PM

Anon, you are overthinking the whole thing. The principle, "people pay much less thought to you than you think they do," is applicable here. Even if Harvard and journals of that "rank" relied on expedites to screen articles - a theory which is not entirely substantiated - they are generally not hanging on your article and waiting for expedites to accept your article. Rather, if the theory holds true, these journals are using expedites to decide which article to begin review. If you submit an expedite from a "Kansas," at worst they ignore the expedite and until they get a "better" expedite before reading. And, really, how many journal editors will bother doing the math to figure out the number of days from your article submission to your first expedite request?

Posted by: Anon | Aug 12, 2017 7:07:10 PM

Any thoughts about whether it is better to publish in a symposium volume of a poorly ranked law review organized after a conference about a single topic, or to publish in a T75 law review?

Posted by: anon | Aug 12, 2017 9:21:49 PM

How poorly ranked? Symposiums are generally a good look, especially if your school wouldn't value the T75 very highly.

Posted by: Axel Foley | Aug 12, 2017 9:49:14 PM

If past cycles are any guide, there will be a lot of decisions today. Bracing for the "has made a decision concerning your transcript" emails. Those are never good.

Posted by: lawprof | Aug 13, 2017 6:00:36 AM

I just got two of those. Michigan and Cornell.

Posted by: AnonE | Aug 13, 2017 8:29:34 AM

I just got one from Arizona State.

Posted by: LawProf | Aug 13, 2017 8:31:55 AM

I got them from Michigan and Penn, both at 5:02 a.m.

Posted by: Anon | Aug 13, 2017 10:34:51 AM

Rejections from Texas, William and Mary, Washington and Lee in the last 48 hours.

Posted by: NCProf | Aug 13, 2017 11:17:54 AM

I likewise got a rejection from W&M

Posted by: anon | Aug 13, 2017 11:39:13 AM

What would you say is the impact of a strong/weak CV on law reviews?

Posted by: Anon | Aug 13, 2017 12:56:45 PM

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