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Thursday, February 09, 2017

Submission Angsting Spring 2017

We are going old school with the angsting thread -- back to its beginnings, when Redyip, the great bird of the gods of Zarcon, first alighted into the sky to signal the beginning of the law review submission season.  I'm not sure if Redyip has provided the signal to Orin yet; we await further enlightenment. But ye may gather here, on this angsting thread, to provide such news: have journals awakened from their winter slumber to renew their manifold judgments?  Hark, traveler! -- do I see the winged colossus?  

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Posted by Matt Bodie on February 9, 2017 at 12:15 PM in Law Review Review | Permalink


Crickets here.

Posted by: Nana | Feb 11, 2017 1:27:48 PM

Eh, spoke too soon, Buffalo ding.

Posted by: Nana | Feb 11, 2017 1:46:18 PM

Tenure track professor in another discipline, kind of new to the law review game. Just received an acceptance to a T50 online law review, with a week to decide. Would appreciate any thoughts re the expedite process (how many, online only or print and online). Piece is a bit long for online and a bit short for a flagship journal, so a print specialty journal may be the sweet spot.

Posted by: Michaelc | Feb 11, 2017 2:05:49 PM

Does anyone know how to actually contact Scholastica to ask a question? The "support" site seems to just be lists of FAQs. Or maybe someone here can help... I have notifications from last year still showing up in my profile from offers I got and declined because I prefer to call or to email the review since it feels more appreciative and personal. But now I have the website telling me a bunch of decisions are past due and I can't seem to dismiss them.

Posted by: Anon | Feb 11, 2017 3:20:13 PM

Rejection from Georgetown.

Posted by: Anon | Feb 11, 2017 4:05:44 PM


I don't think there are hard and fast rules on length -- either for online reviews or flagships. Many of the online reviews say they want fewer than 3k, 6k, or 10k words, but much of what they publish greatly exceeds that. Also, I've published very short "pieces" in flagships before, including Fordham. Sometimes they're called articles, sometimes essays -- whatever.

More to the point of your question, then, perhaps you could expedite to top 50 flagships, higher ranked online journals, and a handful of top specialty journals. I'm a practitioner, so I tend to give more weight to general name recognition than USN rank or USN peer rep rank. You might have the same luxury, as you're not a law prof and therefore not tied to this USN ranking system. For example, if you teach in the north, your peers might be more impressed with, say, Boston College than with Emory. There really aren't hard and fast rules unless you're a law prof, then ranking really matters.

Congrats on your placement, and best of luck with expediting.

Posted by: MICHAEL D. CICCHINI | Feb 11, 2017 4:20:32 PM

@Anon - you can email Scholastica: support@scholasticahq.com. They are pretty responsive.

Posted by: Today12345 | Feb 11, 2017 7:00:47 PM

Michael Cicchini--thank you for your perspective. I'll give that a try, and let you know how it goes. Because I'm not in the law school (I'm a b-schoolprof with a PhD/JD) you're right that the strict USN approach isn't necessary, though it might be relevant.

Do you (or anyone else) have thoughts about the rough equivalence of online supplements versus flagships? Is a top 50 online equivalent to a top 100 flagship in the profession? Is there some other formula or comparison that tenure and promotion committees generally use?

Posted by: Michaelc | Feb 11, 2017 9:40:27 PM

Notre Dame ding.

Posted by: Nana | Feb 11, 2017 11:09:42 PM

Most people list publications in online supplements in the "other publications" section of their C.V. - it's much easier to get placed online, and thus less respected.

Posted by: anon | Feb 11, 2017 11:11:44 PM


Another great question. The profs will probably have better advice for you on this one. But I think there's a lot of debate yet about how these online supplements should be viewed. I just finished the editing process for an article I placed with an online review, and I found the process indistinguishable from flagship journals including the length of time from acceptance to "publication."

Posted by: MICHAEL D. CICCHINI | Feb 12, 2017 12:54:31 AM

Has anybody had dealings with U Pa J Const L? How fast do they move, usual questions, etc.?

Posted by: YesterdayIKilledAMammoth | Feb 12, 2017 2:28:08 AM

Any news from the Northwestern exclusive submission front? We're nearing the deadline and I wonder whether silence can still be understood as a good sign, or rather it implies that we will all get mass-dinged on the last day.

Posted by: 2Dings | Feb 12, 2017 3:16:18 AM

Hi 2Dings wondering the same thing. It appears from earlier posts a few people already received rejections but at least one had submitted early. I have heard nothing and I submitted just before the deadline and ditto a co-worker. I suspect a lot of mass dings soon sadly.

Posted by: Westie | Feb 12, 2017 6:43:11 AM

Yikam, I got an offer from upa j of con l in a prior cycle pretty early in the cycle (about 2-3 weeks after submission in early feb). But I have no idea if they are similar in speed year to year.

Posted by: Angstingagain | Feb 12, 2017 7:34:23 AM

Ding from Arizona State (submitted 1/31).

Posted by: Angstingagain | Feb 12, 2017 8:13:52 AM

Anon @ 4:05 PM, when did you submit to Georgetown? And was that off an expedite?

Posted by: Angstingagain | Feb 12, 2017 8:23:43 AM

Stanford ding.

Posted by: Nana | Feb 12, 2017 12:42:36 PM

California ding.

Posted by: Anon | Feb 12, 2017 1:21:24 PM

Stanford ding as well (submitted 2/9)

Posted by: YesterdayIKilledAMammoth | Feb 12, 2017 1:24:36 PM

Did anyone try the "Edit Your Submission" link at the bottom of the Stanford confirmation email? I just tried it and got the following message:

"Your submission is no longer available. It may have been previously withdrawn, approved, or rejected."

As far as I know, I haven't received anything from Stanford (I've searched my email a few times, but of course could still have missed the ding).

Posted by: anon | Feb 12, 2017 2:00:39 PM

I submitted this month and mostly have not heard back. A few rejections from the T14 law reviews (not surprising). I received three acceptances, and want to get thoughts on which to take, assuming I don't get others:

- T30-40 LR (based on both W&L and US News rankings), for its symposium issue (just happens to be doing a symposium on the topic of my article

- T50-60 LR, a regular (non-symposium) issue

- A specialty journal at a T14 school that is ranked highest in the field of journals for that specialty

Normally, I think the T30-40 LR would be the best choice, but I'm wondering if a symposium issue is seen as less desirable by hiring committees (I've only published one other article, and I'd love to go on the job market in a year or two).

Posted by: Aspiring prof | Feb 12, 2017 3:26:46 PM

Aspiring prof. Can you list which T14 rejections you go? I'd take the T-30 or T-40 if your article reads like a full law review article and not like a shorter symposium piece.

Posted by: anon | Feb 12, 2017 3:33:09 PM

T-14 rejections from Texas, Duke, and Michigan (all yesterday morning within 5 minutes of each other, which felt awesome).

The article is about 20,000 words and reads like a full article.

Posted by: Aspiring prof | Feb 12, 2017 3:37:31 PM

Friendly request that those who report dings, please let us know date of submission and whether it was off of expedite. If nervous about being "outted," please just fudge the date of submission by a day or two -- would still be helpful to know whether you submitted on e.g. Jan 29-31 vs Feb 8-11.

Posted by: OGESchaub | Feb 12, 2017 5:08:38 PM

Angsting prof,

I'm not a law prof, so don't take my word on this, but I think your initial suspicion about publishing in a symposium issue could be spot on. Hopefully some other profs can weigh in on your question, but I could easily see a group of profs "discounting" your publication if it appears as part of a symposium. Maybe they'll never find out; maybe you don't have to list "symposium" next to the publication on your CV. (Personally, I wouldn't think to list "symposium" on my CV -- the article is what it is -- but I'm not in the teaching biz and there might be an academic practice or custom for this situation.)

Posted by: MICHAEL D. CICCHINI | Feb 12, 2017 5:18:38 PM

Angsting Prof,

This is ridiculous. Nobody (sane) will discount your placement only because of its being accepted as part of a "symposium," much less so if the piece reads as a standalone article. I would gladly accept the offer.

Posted by: 2Dings | Feb 13, 2017 4:56:55 AM

Anybody know if there a general time period when the environmental specialty journals make their decisions?

Posted by: DC | Feb 13, 2017 9:34:45 AM

Oh, weird question:

I dated my cover letter on scholastica and expresso at the beginning of the month, but am occasionally applying to other journals. Would that disadvantage me? I don't want to look like I'm coming to these journals as a last resort (actually, I've been applying to increasingly higher ranked journals).

Posted by: DC | Feb 13, 2017 9:41:13 AM

Another question - Does anyone have views about seeking a brief extension of an exploding offer to allow time for another journal to complete its review process?

Posted by: angsting | Feb 13, 2017 10:40:59 AM

Am I the only one that got rejections in the last few days? Post some dings please, so I will not feel alone

Posted by: Booboo | Feb 13, 2017 12:28:44 PM

First time, non-law prof author here. Dings so far at Columbia, Notre Dame, Michigan, Michigan State, Harvard (shocker ;-), William and Mary (instant reject), Duke, Vanderbilt, and U Chicago. Submitted on Feb 3.

Posted by: hobbyhorse | Feb 13, 2017 12:33:44 PM

I have just received an e-mail from Florida Law Review saying that they have stopped reviewing submissions. What???

Posted by: Anon223 | Feb 13, 2017 12:34:02 PM

Note that I got this rejection referring to Spring 2016 and Fall 2016.

Posted by: Anon223 | Feb 13, 2017 12:37:49 PM

Question re: submission--George Mason shows that it's open on Expresso but closed on Scholastica. Better to submit now through Expresso, or wait till it opens on Scholastica (assuming that it will?) Their website suggests that they take Expresso only, but then again, their website says they are closed for submissions until "February 2015," so probably hasn't been updated in awhile. Thoughts?

Posted by: CBR | Feb 13, 2017 1:24:21 PM

CBR email them and ask. Sounds like they switched over from Expresso to Scholastica. Still, I'd ask them what they preferred.

Posted by: YesterdayIKilledAMammoth | Feb 13, 2017 1:34:35 PM

Question re your outlet preferences. Online supplement at a T-50 or flagship at a school ranked 100-150? Still have a few days before my earlier deadline for acceptance, but trying to figure out how they're viewed on the market.

Also, in case it's helpful, dings at Vanderbilt, Drake, Oklahoma City University, Buffalo, and Notre Dame.

Posted by: anon | Feb 13, 2017 1:38:05 PM

Hi all,

I'm a recent law school grad, going through this for the first time. I've got a general question and a specific one.

First, is there any of the accumulated submissions wisdom that should be modified for first articles? I've got a few student publications and am not currently in a fellowship/academic setting, for what it's worth.

Second, while putting the finishing touches on the article, I had a new idea that I'd like to add (probably about 3 pages worth of content, not changing the overall argument). Would I be able to add that post-acceptance? Timing-wise, I'd rather not rush it, but I don't know if that's an option.


Posted by: firsttimer | Feb 13, 2017 2:16:46 PM

curious whether scholastica is down for everyone or just me. tried in two different browsers - "application error."

Posted by: anon | Feb 13, 2017 2:36:41 PM


I've only published one other article, but in that experience, the editors gave me substantive feedback and the opportunity to incorporate into any revisions. I made some significant changes and additions, and it was no problem. Of course, that was before cite-checking had begun. I doubt they would allow major changes after cite-checking (unless perhaps there was a big new development like an on-point SCOTUS opinion).

Posted by: Aspiring prof | Feb 13, 2017 2:40:43 PM

anon | 2:36 -- I had the same problem, but I think it's working again.

Firsttimer -- I've only done this once with student editors (most of my publication experience is w/peer review) but like Aspiring prof I also was allowed to make pretty significant changes and additions.

Random venting: I've gotta say, this process is pretty dispiriting.

Posted by: anon | Feb 13, 2017 2:50:15 PM

Just found out that I'm under full committee review at a T20 law review. (They needed me to extend my expedite deadline by a day). I'm trying not to get too excited ... but - of the articles that go to full committee, what percentage get an offer? (I wasn't on law review so I have no idea).

Posted by: Aspiring prof | Feb 13, 2017 3:01:01 PM

Aspiring prof. - The common wisdom is that only 20% recive an offer. Still, a full board review at T20 is great.

Posted by: Booboo | Feb 13, 2017 3:23:38 PM

anon at 2:50, me too, i hate this part with a passion. wd prefer just to sleep through february and wake up when it's all over.

Posted by: Nana | Feb 13, 2017 3:53:57 PM

Dig from Columbia off of expedite, with a personal note that I appreciated.

Posted by: OGESchaub | Feb 13, 2017 4:29:24 PM

Submitted around 2/8, no news either direction yet.

Posted by: toolegit | Feb 13, 2017 6:47:44 PM

@DC, I wouldn't worry about cover letter date, the chance that they even see it slim, the chance that if they do see it they care even slimmer.

Posted by: toolegit | Feb 13, 2017 6:50:22 PM

Aspiring prof @ 3:01 -- that's great news, but definitely not a sure thing. I think I have a worse record then most but of the full board reads I've had with top 20 journals only about 1 in 7 or so resulted in an offer.

Posted by: Angstingagain | Feb 14, 2017 6:06:36 AM

All those journals marked closed on scholastica - are they done with the process already or hadn't openned yet?

Posted by: Emily | Feb 14, 2017 6:40:24 AM

Anybody hear anything from Northwestern exclusive submission window? If so can you post date of submission and date of rejection (or acceptance if you were so fortunate)? Thanks!

Posted by: Westie | Feb 14, 2017 8:43:54 AM

I submitted to NU exclusive submission window on 1/19. Rejection on 2/13.

Posted by: Andonandon | Feb 14, 2017 9:07:59 AM

For NU, I would find it helpful to get the stats for submissions that are still pending (so we can figure our if they are dinging in waves in order of receipt). I submitted to NU on 1/25. No word yet.

Posted by: Facepalm | Feb 14, 2017 9:14:14 AM

Emily, many journals such as NYU Law Review, have not yet started reviewing submissions, and most (if not all) of those now closed are in that boat.

Posted by: toolegit | Feb 14, 2017 9:24:32 AM

I submitted to NU on 1/27 and no word yet.

Posted by: Westie | Feb 14, 2017 9:51:17 AM

submitted 2/6. t25 offer 2/10. dings off expedites from texas, duke, stanford.

Posted by: anon | Feb 14, 2017 9:59:31 AM

michigan ding.

Posted by: Nana | Feb 14, 2017 10:07:26 AM

sry, submitted feb 6 to michigan, ding today (feb 14).

Posted by: Nana | Feb 14, 2017 10:07:51 AM

Anon - Wow! t25 offer in 4 days. That is amazing.

Posted by: Booboo | Feb 14, 2017 10:22:58 AM

emily every day another one or two opens that was closed previously. today indiana and houston are open; they weren't open yesterday.

Posted by: Nana | Feb 14, 2017 12:04:17 PM

Anyone submitting 2/8 or later hear from journals yet yay or nay?

Posted by: toolegit | Feb 14, 2017 12:14:10 PM

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