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Sunday, October 18, 2015

Law School Hiring, 2015-2016, Thread Two

For the most recent comments, go here.

Please leave comments on this thread regarding whether you have received:

(a)  a callback from a law school and/or accepted it; or

(b) an offer from a law school and/or accepted it; feel free to also leave details about the offer, including teaching load, research leave, etc. A school listed as "offer accepted" may have made more than one offer and may still have some slots open.

Five miscellaneous things:

1. If you don't want your contact information displayed, enter anon@anon.edu or something like that as an email address.

2. There is a  separate thread, "A Clearinghouse for Questions," for general questions or comments about the teaching market. Please do not use the thread below for general questions or comments. (Such comments will be deleted, not out of hostility or in a judgy way, just to keep this thread focused.)

3. There's quite a cache of materials relevant to the law job market under the archive categories Getting a Job on the Law Teaching Market and Entry Level Hiring Report.

4. The year's first hiring thread is here. Comments to that thread are now closed.

5. In each of the last five years, someone who is on the market has volunteered to aggregate the information on a spreadsheet. If you would like to volunteer, please contact me directly at slawsky *at* law *dot* uci *dot* edu, and I will get you set up.

Update: We once again have an aggregator! Below is the spreadsheet, which you can view and download here.

All information should come in through the comments. Our aggregator will use the spreadsheet to aggregate the information.  Only the aggregator will be able to edit the spreadsheet, but when the aggregator edits the spreadsheet, those changes will be reflected in the embedded, downloadable version below.

The aggregator will update the spreadsheet approximately once a week.

You can reach the aggregator at aalsaggregator (at) gmail (dot) com.

Originally posted October 18, 2015; edited October 22, 2015, to add aggregator information.

Posted by Sarah Lawsky on October 18, 2015 at 07:35 PM in Getting a Job on the Law Teaching Market | Permalink

Comments

AnonProf - don't you think that those candidates would sound "desperate" to a hiring committee?

Posted by: AnOn | Dec 16, 2015 5:23:54 PM

Depends how they go about it, AnOn | Dec 16, 2015 5:23:54 PM.

If a candidate says, "I'm having a rough stretch trying to keep my chin up, and wanted to just let you know I'm still available," they'll sound desperate. But if a candidate says, "Hi I've got some news, (I'm half way done with an exciting new article), (J. Doe contacted me to work on some project), (things went really well with my VAP year, and I wanted to let you know), and by the way I continue to be very interested in working at your law school," I don't think there would be a sense of desperation. How about, "Happy Holidays. Wish your family the best. I continue to be interested in your law school," that too would seem a good approach.

But perhaps I'm wrong. What do other professors think?

Posted by: AnonProf | Dec 16, 2015 5:35:37 PM

AnonProf - is your school open to visitors or laterals to fill its business needs or is it wedded to entry level?

Posted by: AnonAnon | Dec 16, 2015 5:42:35 PM

"Yes, but it'll alert those business candidates who 1) we did interview and 2) who haven't accepted offers elsewhere that we have no interest in them (otherwise we'd call them back and not be asking "who is left?")."

AnonProf, could you walk me through your reasoning a bit more clearly? Your position is that you don't want to announce you're still looking because it will inform candidates whom you have no interest in—candidates who, by best practices, you should have rejected two months ago—that you do, in fact, have no interest in them. That is, you don't want to do this because it would rob those candidates of their delusions that you might hire them. That strikes me as a feature, not a bug, of the proposal. What on earth is your rationale for refusing to tell those candidates the truth? Sheer malice?

Posted by: anon | Dec 16, 2015 5:47:31 PM

Putting aside my amazement that this requires further explanation, here goes: After D.C., we did contact everyone we weren't calling back with some version of "Enjoyed meeting you. We've invited back other people" To now post that we're still looking for someone (as our primary and secondary pools are exhausted) and are curious who is left would send this message: "Hey, enjoyed meeting you. We've now exhausted all options but we still aren't interested in you." Do you see the difference? I see the point in communicating the former, I see no point in the latter other than to make someone feel terrible.

And to answer the question, we are open to laterals.

Posted by: AnonProf | Dec 16, 2015 6:05:06 PM

But laterals don't know who you are!

Posted by: Huh? | Dec 16, 2015 6:09:37 PM

Here's a safe bet: if you're a business candidate, contact any school that was hiring for business that 1) you're interested in and 2) regardless of whether they interviewed you in D.C. Simply let them know that you're still available and interested. That's it. Those of us hiring for business will totally understand, believe me.

Posted by: AnonProf | Dec 16, 2015 6:13:47 PM

I'm pretty sure that any "still available" business candidates reading this blog and watching the dozen offers being reported here Already "feel terrible".....

Posted by: just saying | Dec 16, 2015 6:14:25 PM

I completely understand, but I do not think candidates would feel terrible in hearing back from a school they interviewed with at AALS. Maybe your school is their top choice for many reasons, and they would even turn down other offers to come to your school. My two cents.

Posted by: AnOn | Dec 16, 2015 6:14:45 PM

Most of the offers you're seeing are going to the same 3-5 people. Once they start accepting offers and turning the rest loose, those offers will flow to others.

Posted by: Chin Up | Dec 16, 2015 6:19:17 PM

There are about three business law candidates who are highly desirable and who have been getting all the offers. Outside of that small group, this is still a buyer's market.

Posted by: anon | Dec 16, 2015 8:06:00 PM

Can folks share where they know business positions have been accepted? I know of Rutgers and Kelley School of Business. Have any of the offers at Notre Dame, Florida, Tennessee, Brooklyn, Richmond, Emory, Michigan and Wisconsin (am I missing any?) been accepted?

Posted by: anon | Dec 17, 2015 8:53:02 AM

@anon | Dec 16, 2015 5:47:31 PM

I had the same reaction to AnonProf's reasoning.

@AnonProf:

No "sheer amazement" is warranted where multiple people interpret a statement in the same way due to underlying assumptions one has apparently failed to make clear.

Posted by: tony | Dec 17, 2015 9:27:25 AM

Emory's offer in business has been accepted.

Posted by: Emory | Dec 17, 2015 10:43:39 AM

With Emory's offer accepted, I know of at least three offers from good schools that will now be opened up to someone else.

Posted by: anon | Dec 17, 2015 11:20:59 AM

Brooklyn's offer in business has been accepted.

Posted by: Anon | Dec 17, 2015 11:40:15 AM

has anyone heard anything from GW? fly backs? offers? accepted offers?

Posted by: curious | Dec 18, 2015 3:59:34 PM

UNLV has made an offer.

Posted by: anon | Dec 19, 2015 8:29:42 AM

Loyola has an outstanding tenure track health law offer.

Posted by: anoni | Dec 20, 2015 7:25:15 PM

sorry, Loyola, Chicago

Posted by: anoni | Dec 20, 2015 7:25:41 PM

What kinds of deadlines are people seeing with their offers? The longest I've been given is six weeks.

Posted by: Anon | Dec 21, 2015 10:16:36 AM

Wow, six weeks is ridiculous! I think schools should give no more than 2 weeks.

Posted by: anon | Dec 21, 2015 10:41:40 AM

I heard from someone at Tennessee that they are considering another round of callbacks for business and are looking for both entry-level and junior lateral candidates.

Posted by: profanon | Dec 21, 2015 12:40:11 PM

Arizona has also made offers.

Posted by: anon | Dec 21, 2015 1:22:48 PM

What areas for Arizona?

Posted by: anon | Dec 22, 2015 3:09:24 PM

At Maryland, we are doing additional callbacks for business in January.

Posted by: anonprof | Dec 23, 2015 11:59:14 AM

Notre Dame extended an offer in crim, which has been accepted. ND also has an outstanding offer in business.

Posted by: Anonymous Hero | Dec 23, 2015 8:04:03 PM

I know of two top-50 offers accepted over the break, freeing up 3 other top-50 offers. Things are moving.

Posted by: candidate | Jan 4, 2016 3:09:25 PM

Does anyone know what is the status of offers at Richmond, Utah, Wisconsin, Alabama, Notre Dame or Florida?

Posted by: anon | Jan 4, 2016 4:51:36 PM

I know that the same person was holding offers from both Richmond and Wisconsin (among others). I believe that person accepted with a different school.

I also know that the same person was holding offers from Alabama and Florida (among others). I believe that person accepted Alabama.

I know of a third person who was holding an offer from Notre Dame. I believe that person accepted.

All of these are business positions.

Posted by: anon | Jan 4, 2016 6:22:42 PM

A Utah offer was definitely accepted over the holidays

Posted by: Done | Jan 4, 2016 8:43:32 PM

An Arkansas-Fayetteville offer in family law has been accepted.

Posted by: anon | Jan 4, 2016 9:32:31 PM

American just sent out a mass e-mail to rejected applicants indicating that it has made offers

Posted by: nanoonanoo | Jan 5, 2016 9:47:22 AM

Two offers have been accepted at Ohio Northern. Ohio Northern is done for the year.

Posted by: anon | Jan 5, 2016 10:16:11 AM

The person who accepted Utah was holding multiple good offers (Florida, Alabama, etc.). So perhaps there's now hope for others.

Posted by: anon | Jan 5, 2016 11:06:22 AM

South Texas energy law position filled.

Posted by: anon | Jan 5, 2016 1:53:06 PM

Does anyone know if Brooklyn's making a second offer?

Posted by: Anon | Jan 5, 2016 2:19:58 PM

No, Brooklyn is done.

Posted by: anon | Jan 5, 2016 4:44:04 PM

what field re Utah?

Posted by: anon | Jan 6, 2016 12:14:07 PM

Business.

Posted by: anon | Jan 6, 2016 12:36:47 PM

Actually I don't think Brooklyn is done. I heard from a reliable source that there is an additional offer either outstanding or forthcoming.

Posted by: anon | Jan 6, 2016 1:52:34 PM

Heard that Ohio State is done.

Posted by: Anon | Jan 8, 2016 9:58:29 AM

any word from south carolina? they were hoping to make a number of hires in various fields this year, but nothing has been reported here

Posted by: anon | Jan 8, 2016 12:19:49 PM

For those still looking -

Baylor University School of Law seeks to fill a tenure-track faculty position as an Assistant Professor. We are seeking individuals whose credentials, interests, and experience will best satisfy our curricular needs. Those needs include basic tax principles, taxation of business entities (partnerships and corporations) and advanced business topics, such as finance and investment structures. Further application information is available at http://www.baylor.edu/hr/index.php?id=870583

Posted by: Jill Lens | Jan 8, 2016 4:18:57 PM

Haven't heard anything from South Carolina.

Posted by: BusinessLaw | Jan 8, 2016 7:42:32 PM

OU has just launched a new search in energy, natural resources and/or oil & gas. The information is posted over on The Faculty Lounge.

Posted by: Anon Sooner | Jan 9, 2016 9:58:12 AM

South Carolina has ended its search.

Posted by: SCProf | Jan 10, 2016 11:42:16 AM

Care to say more SCProf? Did SC fill the positions they had open or abandon some of the searches?

Posted by: SC? | Jan 10, 2016 8:41:50 PM

And by the way, SC should reach out to the people they interviewed if the searches are over. They haven't reached out to me. Poor form.

Posted by: SC? | Jan 10, 2016 8:42:42 PM

I'm not on the committee. I sure those folks could provide more details, but I know business is a failed search.

Posted by: SCProf | Jan 11, 2016 9:14:28 AM

SCProf, so the rest of the positions have been filled? Agree with 8:42. Poor form, indeed.

Posted by: anon | Jan 11, 2016 1:50:30 PM

I cannot imagine that attacking one of the few professors willing to make a concrete statement about her/his institution's hiring process on this forum will encourage more transparency. If you haven't been reached out to, contact the hiring chair, don't kill the messenger.

Posted by: wow | Jan 11, 2016 4:30:53 PM

@4:30 maybe so but don't assume that commenters are candidates at any particular school. There are a lot of ripple effects right now, and I think everyone would like more transparency across the board. Hiring chairs should let people know where they stand, particularly since this board and others tend to discourage candidates from following up.

Posted by: Just Saying | Jan 11, 2016 6:05:53 PM

It sounds like Alabama, Florida, Maryland, Richmond and Wisconsin missed on their first offers in business. Are there any updates re: whether they have second offers outstanding, are bringing more people back in the spring, or have closed their searches?

Posted by: anon | Jan 13, 2016 2:12:22 PM

I know of two people who both got offers in business at Wisconsin. One went to Utah (wow) and the other went to Emory, so Wisconsin has at least made two offers. Maryland is doing more callbacks as we speak. South Carolina declared a failed search, and I don't know about about the others. If anyone else does, please share.

Posted by: Anon | Jan 13, 2016 3:47:51 PM

Wisconsin is a superb platform and they'll be able to recruit a strong candidate.

Posted by: anon | Jan 14, 2016 2:18:46 PM

Who here is saying otherwise???

Posted by: Huh? | Jan 14, 2016 2:23:35 PM

Was Utah only hiring for business? I think I missed seeing Utah on the spreadsheet?

Posted by: anon | Jan 15, 2016 3:47:07 PM

Has anyone heard anything about Drexel's hiring for advocacy positions? Have they interviewed?

Posted by: anon | Jan 16, 2016 11:23:18 AM

Anon 1/16/16 11:23am- re: the Drexel advocacy position. Very informal screening interview in October and have heard nothing since. Would love some intel.

Posted by: AnotherAnon | Jan 18, 2016 8:56:25 AM

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