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Sunday, October 18, 2015

Law School Hiring, 2015-2016, Thread Two

For the most recent comments, go here.

Please leave comments on this thread regarding whether you have received:

(a)  a callback from a law school and/or accepted it; or

(b) an offer from a law school and/or accepted it; feel free to also leave details about the offer, including teaching load, research leave, etc. A school listed as "offer accepted" may have made more than one offer and may still have some slots open.

Five miscellaneous things:

1. If you don't want your contact information displayed, enter anon@anon.edu or something like that as an email address.

2. There is a  separate thread, "A Clearinghouse for Questions," for general questions or comments about the teaching market. Please do not use the thread below for general questions or comments. (Such comments will be deleted, not out of hostility or in a judgy way, just to keep this thread focused.)

3. There's quite a cache of materials relevant to the law job market under the archive categories Getting a Job on the Law Teaching Market and Entry Level Hiring Report.

4. The year's first hiring thread is here. Comments to that thread are now closed.

5. In each of the last five years, someone who is on the market has volunteered to aggregate the information on a spreadsheet. If you would like to volunteer, please contact me directly at slawsky *at* law *dot* uci *dot* edu, and I will get you set up.

Update: We once again have an aggregator! Below is the spreadsheet, which you can view and download here.

All information should come in through the comments. Our aggregator will use the spreadsheet to aggregate the information.  Only the aggregator will be able to edit the spreadsheet, but when the aggregator edits the spreadsheet, those changes will be reflected in the embedded, downloadable version below.

The aggregator will update the spreadsheet approximately once a week.

You can reach the aggregator at aalsaggregator (at) gmail (dot) com.

Originally posted October 18, 2015; edited October 22, 2015, to add aggregator information.

Posted by Sarah Lawsky on October 18, 2015 at 07:35 PM in Getting a Job on the Law Teaching Market | Permalink

Comments

I'll leave it to those called back to post more details, but for what it's worth, my school has issued callbacks and all have been accepted. I share this simply to communicate that at least some callbacks have gone out (and in the course of discussions on scheduling the callbacks, it became clear that some of those we invited back have received other callbacks as well).

Good luck to all!

Posted by: AnonHiringChair | Oct 18, 2015 11:21:59 PM

Can hiring chairs please not leave it to the candidates to post what schools have issued callbacks? Candidates are clearly hesitant to post this information in fear of revealing their identities if they are one of a few callbacks, and this would help candidates have an idea of what schools they interviewed with are likely not in play (and help them make alternative plans earlier than later, if need be).

Posted by: anon | Oct 18, 2015 11:37:36 PM

In the alternative to posting here, the hiring chairs could just e-mail those who did not get callbacks, to let them know that they did not get a callback at this time.

Posted by: Anon1 | Oct 19, 2015 6:11:29 AM

Anon1, that's not going to happen for reasons that have been discussed before in these threads. Check out page 4 of the Clearinghouse for Questions thread http://prawfsblawg.blogs.com/prawfsblawg/2015/08/a-clearinghouse-for-questions-2015-2016/comments/page/4/#comments

Particularly, this:

"We make a decision on who to give callbacks to, and (implicitly) who doesn't make the cut at the present time. Nobody wants to have to think about, talk about, and then vote about the hypothetical situation of, if we have to go back to the pool, those who might make the cut and those who never will. The effort required to sort those two groups is more than "time to send a short e-mail"."

Posted by: Anon | Oct 19, 2015 9:30:31 AM

At what point should a person realize they are not going to get a call-back? Its there usually a formal notification?

Posted by: anon | Oct 19, 2015 10:15:32 AM

Not Monday morning after AALS.

Posted by: anon | Oct 19, 2015 10:21:20 AM

anon 11:37:36 PM, I guess I don't understand the reluctance of candidates to post callbacks. An anonymous posting would potentially reveal the candidate's identity only to the school that made the callback, right? Would that be problematic for some reason? I guess also fail to see how withholding this information gives a candidate any significant advantage in this process.

Posted by: anoncandidate | Oct 19, 2015 11:35:07 AM

Many candidates are being told that the school offering the callback might mind, so the risk averse response is to not post. Personally I think it would be crazy for the school to mind, but I'm not so picky as to only work for non-crazy schools.

Posted by: Anon | Oct 19, 2015 12:26:40 PM

Anon 12:26:40, you might want to think about being a bit choosier. I understand that it's a buyer's market, and sellers need to have an open mind. But there is a different between being willing to work outside of New York or San Francisco and taking a job at a "crazy school." Joining just any faculty is not the end of the struggle.

Posted by: anon | Oct 19, 2015 4:18:09 PM

"Many candidates are being told that the school offering the callback might mind, so the risk averse response is to not post."

I'm skeptical that "many" candidates are being told that the school "might mind" whatever that is supposed to imply. The concern now is that this becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy simply by being out there. I hope that isn't the case and that this thread continues to have some value.

Posted by: anoncandidate | Oct 19, 2015 4:35:05 PM

I know of two people with callbacks to Tennessee, one in business and one in health.

Posted by: anonny | Oct 19, 2015 6:44:58 PM

I have heard of an Arkansas callback.

Posted by: anon | Oct 19, 2015 7:47:45 PM

Has anyone heard of Ohio State callbacks?

Posted by: anoncan | Oct 20, 2015 4:19:35 PM

Or Brooklyn?

Posted by: Nona | Oct 20, 2015 4:27:45 PM

Anyone heard about University of New Mexico?

Posted by: ademicrealness | Oct 20, 2015 4:47:28 PM

UNLV has not made callback decisions.

Posted by: Anon | Oct 20, 2015 5:01:15 PM

Missouri-Kansas City?

Posted by: anon10 | Oct 20, 2015 5:18:59 PM

Irvine?

Posted by: anon | Oct 20, 2015 5:38:58 PM

Utah? South Carolina? Rutgers??

Posted by: stillhopeful | Oct 20, 2015 5:39:47 PM

South Carolina is interviewing laterals via Skype this week, so I'd doubt they've invited anyone back yet.

Posted by: Anon | Oct 20, 2015 5:46:26 PM

I've heard of a U Arizona callback.

Posted by: Nona | Oct 20, 2015 11:34:01 PM

"Utah? South Carolina? Rutgers??" You will move anywhere, I guess.

Heard the same thing about South Carolina. They have a number of positions and a lot of laterals to interview.

Posted by: Anon2 | Oct 21, 2015 8:52:09 AM

@Anon2 yup. Will move anywhere. You won't? Good luck with that.

Posted by: stillhopefull | Oct 21, 2015 8:54:36 AM

You guys, it's Wednesday morning. This is the "waiting for calls" period. "stillhopeful" isn't for another 10 days.

Posted by: anon | Oct 21, 2015 9:09:24 AM

OH State has made at least one callback during the conference. It was accepted.

Re posting here. What is the gain to a candidate to post that a callback was made? None that I can think of, other than altruism. And people are concerned-perhaps not legitimately-that there is some harm. Nevertheless in years past, these forums have produced something very like a complete picture of the state of the market.

Posted by: OH State | Oct 21, 2015 9:33:51 AM

Also, in years past, many calls came out during the conference. Even if this is still part of the waiting period, lots of action has likely already occurred.

The committee is together all day on Friday and at least part of the day on Saturday. Getting together when they're home is harder. Thus, I'm sure many committees make decisions at the conference, even if they don't call right away.

Posted by: OH State | Oct 21, 2015 9:35:25 AM

We have made decisions, made calls and have already scheduled the visits (including travel) for all of our callback folks. I doubt we're alone. Does that mean all calls are done? Not at all, but I'd say a bulk of them are.

Posted by: AnonHiringChair | Oct 21, 2015 9:49:40 AM

I'm on the committee at a top-30-ish school. We had a preliminary discussion about callbacks at the conference, but we won't meet to finalize the list until next week. We will make several callbacks, but haven't decided who and haven't made any of the calls yet.

Posted by: lawprof | Oct 21, 2015 10:06:30 AM

AnonHiringChair may be actually a real hiring chair, but he/she has been doing some high-quality trolling all season. On all these threads, AHC can be counted on to chime in with updates that aren't particularly helpful but are designed to freak out people on the market to the maximum extent ("I've heard of somebody with 30+ interviews a month before the conference"; "the bulk of the calls have already happened" etc.). AHC, I salute you.

Posted by: anon | Oct 21, 2015 10:11:34 AM

I'm a candidate, not a member of an appointments committee, so this may be off base -- but it seems like timing would naturally depend (to some extent) on whether the entire committee attended AALS. If not, surely a follow-up meeting of some kind would be necessary to apprise absent committee members of what happened, etc.

Again, I have no idea whether this is right, empirically. But it would surprise me if it were not.

Posted by: Anon Candidate | Oct 21, 2015 10:13:33 AM

I do know of someone who had 30+ interviews at the FRC. But I agree that AnonHiringChair's speculation that the "bulk," which I assume means majority, of callbacks have already gone out is unsubstantiated and dubious.

Posted by: anon | Oct 21, 2015 10:14:10 AM

I do know of someone who had 30+ interviews at the FRC. But I agree that AnonHiringChair's speculation that the "bulk," which I assume means majority, of callbacks have already gone out is unsubstantiated and dubious.

Posted by: anon | Oct 21, 2015 10:14:13 AM

I do know of someone who had 30+ interviews at the FRC. But I agree that AnonHiringChair's speculation that the "bulk," which I assume means majority, of callbacks have already gone out is unsubstantiated and dubious.

Posted by: anon | Oct 21, 2015 10:14:14 AM

I believe there were a couple people with that many interviews. I am more skeptical that there was such a person on Sept. 15 (when AHC made that claim), at a time when many schools (including the bulk of the top schools) hadn't yet scheduled their interviews.

Posted by: anon | Oct 21, 2015 10:23:35 AM

Happy to see anon 10:11 calling out AnonHiringChair's smug comments.

Posted by: anon | Oct 21, 2015 10:34:26 AM

I received more than a few calls or emails since the weekend from interviewing schools stating that they are only sitting down to decide on callbacks (or even whether to fill positions) beginning this week and potentially continuing on a rolling basis for some indeterminate period.

Posted by: Anon Candidate | Oct 21, 2015 11:07:57 AM

Take my comments however you like, they're designed to be helpful. All I can say is that all our candidates have confirmed callback dates with travel scheduled. In setting that up, several of them offered that they had multiple callbacks at other schools (as that dictated when they were available to visit us). I also am friends with people on appointments at other law schools (whom I met up with in D.C. and have had follow up conversations with since arriving home), and they've told me that they too have scheduled callbacks; hence, my statement. But as I clearly stated above, I'm sure there are calls that are yet to go out. And, finally, I absolutely knew on Sept. 15 that someone we were interviewing had 27 interviews set up. (I don't think I ever said "30+," but if I did I misspoke).

Posted by: AnonHiringChair | Oct 21, 2015 11:20:07 AM

Take my comments however you like, they're designed to be helpful. All I can say is that all our candidates have confirmed callback dates with travel scheduled. In setting that up, several of them offered that they had multiple callbacks at other schools (as that dictated when they were available to visit us). I also am friends with people on appointments at other law schools (whom I met up with in D.C. and have had follow up conversations with since arriving home), and they've told me that they too have scheduled callbacks; hence, my statement. But as I clearly stated above, I'm sure there are calls that are yet to go out. And, finally, I absolutely knew on Sept. 15 that someone we were interviewing had 27 interviews set up. (I don't think I ever said "30+," but if I did I misspoke).

Posted by: AnonHiringChair | Oct 21, 2015 11:20:11 AM

So no news on Rutgers or Iowa?

Posted by: Anon3 | Oct 21, 2015 7:37:16 PM

Texas Tech is done

Posted by: Anon Candidate | Oct 21, 2015 7:42:22 PM

I've heard of calls at New Mexico.

Posted by: a non | Oct 22, 2015 6:32:04 AM

Some useful information here in the comments: http://leiterlawschool.typepad.com/leiter/2015/10/how-long-after-.html

Posted by: AnonHiringChair | Oct 22, 2015 7:20:29 AM

That Leiter thread is very helpful. For candidates, though, I really want to stress that some schools (like mine) still haven't met post-conference and won't until next week. Some of the comments ("email schools to find out where you stand") might be right on the mark, but now, or even next week, is not the time to do that. It is still way too close to the conference. I completely understand that everyone is stressed out and wants things to move as quickly as possible, but this process does take time (at least for some institutions).

Posted by: Committeemember | Oct 22, 2015 7:31:43 AM

Kudos to Cornell for a notification that they will not be calling me back. Would've preferred the callback, but I'll take a notification over silence any day!

Posted by: good for cornell | Oct 22, 2015 9:43:00 AM

Kudos to Tennessee for a similar notification. Maybe some of the hiring chairs are reading these threads.

Posted by: Anon2 | Oct 22, 2015 10:21:18 AM

so quiet

Posted by: anon | Oct 22, 2015 11:41:55 AM

Kudos to Maine for sending out an update on their process!

Posted by: Anon | Oct 22, 2015 11:51:27 AM

I've moved a (useful and interesting) comment over to the Clearinghouse thread and also posted a response there.

http://prawfsblawg.blogs.com/prawfsblawg/2015/08/a-clearinghouse-for-questions-2015-2016/comments/page/5/#comments

I encourage people to post general questions, suggestions, etc. on that thread and not on this one, which should be used for providing information about callbacks, etc. Thanks!

Posted by: Sarah Lawsky | Oct 22, 2015 2:11:06 PM

Just received a very nice "thanks but no thanks" email from Baltimore. As others have said - its appreciated when schools let you know where you stand, even if its a no.

Posted by: anon | Oct 22, 2015 4:48:16 PM

Have heard of a South Carolina callback

Posted by: anon | Oct 22, 2015 8:13:52 PM

University of Florida: some rejections and some flyouts

Posted by: anoncandidate | Oct 22, 2015 8:14:41 PM

Davis

Posted by: Anon | Oct 22, 2015 8:28:27 PM

Davis Anon, you have a callback? What field?

Posted by: anon | Oct 22, 2015 8:42:37 PM

Does anyone know what area the New Mexico callback is in?

Posted by: academicrealness | Oct 22, 2015 9:03:03 PM

Does anyone know what area the New Mexico callback is in?

Posted by: academicrealness | Oct 22, 2015 9:03:03 PM

Echoing a question by someone else that went unanswered earlier - anyone heard of a UMKC law callback?

Posted by: anon | Oct 22, 2015 9:24:34 PM

Pitt callback, property/t&e

Posted by: anonatron | Oct 22, 2015 10:00:54 PM

Alabama has done some callbacks

Posted by: anon | Oct 22, 2015 10:17:53 PM

any word from Maryland or Kentucky?

Posted by: annonn | Oct 22, 2015 10:39:05 PM

Hello all, this is your friendly neighborhood Thread Two aggregator checking in. By way of reminder, you can also submit info directly to the aggregator at aalsaggregator (at) gmail (dot) com, and I will make sure it gets into the spreadsheet. Thanks and best of luck to all!

Posted by: aggregator | Oct 23, 2015 2:22:16 AM

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