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Monday, January 26, 2015

Submission angsting: Spring 2015

The submission window is just about to open and we await Redyip's semi-annual return-- some journals already have announced they are accepting submissions. So let the angsting commence.

If you are an author or law review editor and want to share information about your submission experience to the law reviews, this is the place to do it. If you have questions about the process, this is the place to do it. Feel free to use the comments to share your information (and gripes or praise) about which journals you have heard from, which you have not, etc. Have at it. And do it reasonably nicely, pretty please.

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Posted by Howard Wasserman on January 26, 2015 at 09:31 AM in Howard Wasserman, Law Review Review, Teaching Law | Permalink


Apologies for any typos. Luckily I do not write my articles on the iphone ;)

Posted by: TheViewFromOutside | Mar 29, 2015 10:08:39 AM

@TheViewFromOutside: I will try to address some of your questions. If you want to see what has tended to get people hired, take a look at this year's hiring report at http://prawfsblawg.blogs.com/prawfsblawg/2015/03/entry-level-hiring-the-2015-report-call-for-information.html

You will see that they are an impressive mix of people, many of whom probably have some combo of T50 pubs (just google each one to check). While it is certainly nice that you got a lot of writing done while maintaining a busy practice and teaching, I would say that this ultimately counts less than placements. It is assumed that pretty much everyone who gets hired will work hard, so schools are a lot less interested in proxies for hard work and more in proxies for scholarship quality and what will bring the school prestige. There are, as always, exceptions to this, but that's the general idea when you look at entry-level hiring.

Yep, lots of law reviews are rude and won't acknowledge your existence. While I think that's regrettable, there is no reason for them to know your donor history (nor should that be a factor).

Posted by: anon | Mar 29, 2015 12:48:53 PM

Does anyone have any intel on Chicago, Columbia, Cal, Penn, Virginia, or NW? Are they still actively reviewing, dinging, and making offers?

Posted by: Junior Prof | Mar 29, 2015 2:37:01 PM

I can confirm dings in the last few days from Columbia and Virginia.

Posted by: anon | Mar 29, 2015 2:49:41 PM

Virginia ding today, off a 3/26 expedite.

Posted by: anon | Mar 29, 2015 3:26:53 PM

And, does anyone have any intel on NYU? Are they still actively reviewing, dinging, and making offers?

Posted by: EndOfSeason | Mar 29, 2015 3:27:19 PM

Very recent ding from Chicago, several days before expedite deadline

Posted by: Anon | Mar 29, 2015 3:55:49 PM

EndOfSeason: I received a ding from NYU earlier this week, off a t100 expedite.

Posted by: A_Miserable_Fellow | Mar 29, 2015 4:07:59 PM

Appreciate the comments.

To clarify, it wasn't that I donate-- it's that I'm an alum. Over the years career services has asked me for favors for students and I've bent over backwards every time. Heck, I TEACH at my alma matter so I know some of the law review students. I had hoped my nice, non-mail merge cover letter would at least merit a RESPONSE.

Okay, so clearly the next piece needs to also be in a good placement. What's a good placement. Assuming one is hoping to teach at a ~T150 US News law school. T50? T30?

Posted by: TheViewFromOutside | Mar 29, 2015 4:40:35 PM

Question on choices. My piece is a tech/policy article that I am hoping will be of interest to global regulators/policy-makers. I have offers from some T10/20 tech journals and a T5 policy journal, along with some T75 flagships. My thought is that the T5 policy journal wins, subject only to possible T10 flagships or T3 policy or tech specialties. I am not expecting these other offers, but am just trying to strategize. Does that sounds right?

Posted by: anon | Mar 29, 2015 4:42:17 PM

So on the plus side, a) many of the top journals--Virginia, Columbia, NYU, Penn, and Chicago, are still reviewing, and b) they are getting back to people with decisions. That seems pretty great given the volume of expedites, lateness in the semester, and low pay!

Posted by: Anon | Mar 29, 2015 4:45:28 PM

Northwestern ding today off expedite.

Posted by: anon | Mar 29, 2015 4:49:22 PM

@TheViewFromOutside: I am the anon who gave advice earlier. It's difficult to answer your question in the abstract. What field? Do you have any constraints on location? Even knowing these things, there are a lot of factors that contribute to hiring or lack thereof. Your best bet is to look at the credentials of people who have been hired in your field and/or at the kinds of schools that interest you.

Don't take it personally with that law review - I am a TT prof and my law review ignores me most (though not all) of the time.

Posted by: anon | Mar 29, 2015 10:14:00 PM

6 week after submission with no offers, I received an offer out of the blue from a Tier-3 flagship. As this season seems close to the end, I expedited all the way up. But still, it could give some hope to those which did not receive an offer yet. I submitted 2/20 to 150 flagship journals, and so far got only 7 rejections. In the past 3 weeks I did not hear anything from anyone (expect 1 or 2 journals which reported that they are full). I was extremely surprised to get an offer so late in the process, without an expedite, as I already gave hope. Well, it seems that it aint over until its over.

Posted by: miop | Mar 30, 2015 9:23:48 AM


1. I can't seem to understand when exactly this season actually comes to an end. I keep hearing conflicting rumors; Some say 'the game is over', others insist that the fat lady is not likely to sing until mid-April. Any experienced opinion ?

2. Some have mentioned here the technique of 'expediting all the way up'. Question is, did anyone ever think about a reverse variant of this technique. For example -- my article (about Jewish law, a field I'm a supreme master at) was rejected lately from top-10 Law Reviews. Can I maybe expedite a rejection from Stanford all the way down ? Meaning -- I'll inform Journals such as Mississippi that unless they offer me quickly a publication I will sadly have to accept Stanford's rejection ?

Posted by: Beni Jewish Law Master | Mar 30, 2015 10:35:18 AM

Student submission question. My article was just accepted by the journal I'm currently on the staff of (was not clear they would publish an article-length submission from a student, so I submitted it through their standard review as a result). Is this the kind of offer I can use to expedite review anywhere else?

Posted by: student | Mar 30, 2015 10:36:54 AM


You absolutely can expedite from that. It is likely to get a journal to at least take a look at your abstract, but it's unlikely to get peer journals to think that your article has already been judged worthy by a peer. Basically, you're getting half-value out of the expedite.

Posted by: IP_Anon | Mar 30, 2015 11:37:02 AM

@student - I don't see why not.

I don't think the season's over until the end of April. People just tend to post less here because there's a selection bias towards earlier submitters in the personality type that tends to engage here. Specialty journals haven't really even seemed to get started making offers in earnest. I'm not going to be done until mid-April at the earliest. I have two outstanding offers (no, not that type of outstanding)that I've expedited up from and three journals that claim to be final reviewing my piece. I know a lot of people in a similar position.

Posted by: persephone | Mar 30, 2015 11:39:16 AM

Georgetown ding off expedite. Submitted March 20.

Posted by: westie | Mar 30, 2015 1:14:12 PM

I have been advised to call journals to urge them to consider my expedite request. What does one say on that call?

Posted by: nervous nelly | Mar 30, 2015 2:31:12 PM

Nervous Nelly: The person who gave you the advice to call, when did they join the academy? That's old school advice. Today, it's difficult to even find a phone number for many journals, near impossible to actually get an editor on the phone. Most all editors, including those who commented earlier in this thread, say to just send an email.

Posted by: IP_Anon | Mar 30, 2015 2:59:41 PM

Thanks, IP_Anon.

Posted by: nervous nelly | Mar 30, 2015 5:00:29 PM

Data points:

Submitted 2-26 to T100, give or take.

Heard from/date
George Mason 2-26
Penn 2-28
Tennessee 3-1
Cornell 3-4
Michigan 3-4
Wisconsin 3-4
Michigan St. 3-5
Az St. 3-6
Vandy 3-6
Florida 3-8
BYU 3-9
Harv CRCL 3-10
Iowa 3-12
SLU 3-12
W&M 3-13
BU 3-14
Hawaii 3-16
Tulane 3-17
UNC 3-17
UMKC 3-18
Wash LRev 3-18
Duke 3-19
NYU 3-20

Offer T100 3-24 :-)


GW 3-25
Alabama 3-26
Harv 3-27
Stanford 3-29
NWern 3-29
Pepperdine 33-29
Ohio St. 3-29

Posted by: GF | Mar 30, 2015 6:14:58 PM

two rejections today: Georgetown and Columbia.

Posted by: anon | Mar 30, 2015 8:18:42 PM

818 - when did you submit was this off expedite?

Posted by: anon | Mar 30, 2015 8:25:12 PM

expedited on 3/28.

Posted by: anon | Mar 30, 2015 8:37:17 PM

Anyone heard from Cal or HYS/Berkeley IP or public policy journals recently?

Posted by: questions questions | Mar 30, 2015 10:59:48 PM

Indiana rejection.

Posted by: anon | Mar 31, 2015 8:48:12 AM

Woke up to a Cal ding. 3/27 expedite.

Posted by: anon | Mar 31, 2015 9:43:42 AM

Woke up to a Cal ding. 3/27 expedite.

Posted by: anon | Mar 31, 2015 9:43:44 AM

Cal. and Indiana dings here as well

Posted by: mismis | Mar 31, 2015 11:27:24 AM

Indiana rejection this morning off expedite. But not Cal.

Posted by: GF | Mar 31, 2015 11:59:45 AM

Cal. rejection this am off 3/30 expedite -- woohoo!!

Posted by: ICHTY | Mar 31, 2015 12:12:54 PM

GF - When did you expedite to Indiana?

Posted by: Yet another IP anon | Mar 31, 2015 12:15:30 PM

Yet Another IP anon --- expedited afternoon of 3/24

Posted by: GF | Mar 31, 2015 12:48:10 PM

Thanks for the data points on Cal, folks.

Posted by: questions questions | Mar 31, 2015 1:09:44 PM

Like all the others above - Indiana rejection this morning off expedite (about a week ago).

Posted by: AnonToo | Mar 31, 2015 1:12:36 PM

Alabama and California rejections

Posted by: anonthree | Mar 31, 2015 2:12:12 PM

Vandy ding

Posted by: anonthree | Mar 31, 2015 2:16:15 PM

Almost two months after an early Feb 2015 submission and I've only heard from approximately 5 of the 40 or so journals I submitted to. As I'm a lowly practitioner, I mostly focused on T75 and above. I can't tell whether they haven't started moving or whether I am in limbo.

Posted by: Jasper Emiliano, Jr. | Mar 31, 2015 4:47:33 PM

Jasper: Everybody's moving. Most journals have mostly filled their Spring slots. That said, I've had a couple of non-expedite offers recently. I suspect most of the remaining slots will be filled in the next 2-3 weeks. I'll admit I kind of like this time of season as journals are moving quickly to clear their slate for finals.

Posted by: T75 Prof | Mar 31, 2015 7:26:13 PM

My cycle is finished. I submitted three articles. Got T25, T100, and RNP placements, as I expected going in. I submitted 2/15, and finished just today. All the best for those who are still in the game.

Posted by: Tim Riggins | Mar 31, 2015 9:38:26 PM

what does RNP mean

Posted by: anon | Apr 1, 2015 1:09:05 AM

RNP: Ranking Not Published

Posted by: Tim Riggins | Apr 1, 2015 8:58:05 AM

Chicago ding off expedite.

Offer from an IP specialty journal at a T30 school.

Posted by: anon | Apr 1, 2015 11:17:30 AM

Anybody know anything about the Texas Law Review? Are they done? Still reviewing? Thanks in advance for any info

Posted by: Adam Smith | Apr 1, 2015 11:41:23 AM

Anybody heard anything from: American, Arizona, Columbia, Emory, Florida State, Fordham, Minnesota, UNC, USC, Davis, UCLA, Wake Forest, or William & Mary? Are any of these guys closed up?

Posted by: anon | Apr 1, 2015 12:45:05 PM

Anon. Of your list, I have not heard from Arizona, Columbia, and USC. The rest I have rejections from. UCLA is full, so I'm told.

Posted by: anon | Apr 1, 2015 1:13:46 PM

1:13 - thanks!

Posted by: anon | Apr 1, 2015 1:23:10 PM


Did anyone ever get an offer from a good high-ranked journal (without an expedite process) during April? Can it even happen ?

Posted by: Highly Depressed | Apr 1, 2015 1:25:24 PM

Given the state of things, I expect that I will be striking out this season. I submitted only to T50 journals because I believe in the piece and I thought my track record would support it. It has been out there for a month now and I have 15 rejections and nary a full-board review.

While I suppose miracles can happen, it looks like I'll be polishing it over the summer and re-submitting more broadly in whatever is left of the August season.

Posted by: anon | Apr 1, 2015 1:34:27 PM

Columbia ding

Posted by: anon | Apr 1, 2015 1:50:11 PM

Tim Riggins, I'm curious why you expected such varying results.

Posted by: A | Apr 1, 2015 2:19:39 PM

A, I judged the quality of each article as well as its subject matter. The T25 was really well-researched and treated an entirely untreated, but important topic. The T100 was an important issue and I think well-argued, but something of an "odd" piece. The RNP piece was a shorter historical piece, thus the RNP expectation. I will say this, too: I teach at a T4 school, so letterhead bias works against me. But I do have a good publication track record to balance it out a little. In my experience, the merit of the article generally has determined where it gets placed. Maybe if I taught at HYS, I'd have a few T20 placements, but c'est la vie, n'est-ce pas?

Posted by: Tim Riggins | Apr 1, 2015 2:24:45 PM

Two of my colleagues have received offers in April from T50 journals out of the blue and not off of an expedite. Don't give up.

Posted by: anonthree | Apr 1, 2015 2:30:25 PM

I got an offer on March 25, after submitting March 20, from a T35 flagship. Not off expedite. Yes, it can happen! Don't give up hope! (PS then I expedited and got only one more speciality offer before my T35 offer expired).

Posted by: latejoiner | Apr 1, 2015 3:46:32 PM

Tim Riggins: you work at a T4 school and letterhead bias works AGAINST you?! Please explain?

Posted by: latejoiner | Apr 1, 2015 3:50:43 PM

Arizona is still reviewing

Posted by: anon | Apr 1, 2015 5:35:10 PM

latejoiner: T4 = tier 4.

Posted by: Tim Riggins | Apr 1, 2015 5:58:14 PM

Hi. Anyone know which, if any, of the following law reviews are still reading?

Harvard, Stanford, Chicago, Penn, Georgetown, Tex, UCLA, Vanderbilt, Wash U, Emory, S. Cal

Posted by: late bloomer | Apr 1, 2015 10:54:05 PM

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