Tuesday, August 06, 2013
The Angsting Thread (Fall 2013 Submission Cycle Edition)
Friends, I have it on good authority that Redyip is not yet visible but he is making preparations for his journey this autumn. You know what that means. Feel free to use the comments to share your information (and gripes or praise) about which law reviews have turned over, which ones haven't yet, and where you've heard from, and where you've not, and what you'd like Santa to bring you this coming Xmas, etc. It's the semi-annual angsting thread for the law review submission season. Have at it. And do it reasonably nicely, pretty please.Oh, one last thing: if you're bored while waiting for him to fly, Redyip whispered to me that y'all should feel free to read and send comments on this little paper.
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Let me start: submitted on Aug 1. Rejections from Chicago, Cornell and NYU. An offer from second tier general review.
Posted by: ST | Aug 7, 2013 1:43:02 AM
Problem is, in the fall Redyip rests, delegating his duties to many smaller birds. Some of them are soaring now, others waiting until "late August" or "September 1" or (depressingly) "Februrary 2014."
Posted by: BDG | Aug 7, 2013 9:15:52 AM
Notre Dame full; rejections from NYU and Cardozo. Is there a consensus on whether it's good news to have submitted but not heard from a journal listing a rejection here? (maybe I'm extrapolating from the "B Team" comments from the hiring threads...).
Posted by: Guest | Aug 7, 2013 9:26:37 AM
"Listed as a rejection here" - apologies
Posted by: Guest | Aug 7, 2013 9:27:35 AM
I know SMU and Baylor are also sending rejections.
Posted by: anon | Aug 7, 2013 10:50:23 AM
So it begins. Submitted August 1. Rejections from NYU, Cardozo and Baylor.
Posted by: Not Even | Aug 7, 2013 8:01:55 PM
I have a friend who submitted for the spring cycle (mid-February), and was given an offer to publish by a top specialty journal the beginning of July. She already accepted an offer from another journal by that point. This was the first publishing experience for both of us...is that common? Journals fill up quickly in the spring and then send you an offer over the summer to get ahead of the fall submission cycle?
Posted by: Lurker | Aug 7, 2013 9:34:16 PM
Anyone know if the tax journals are reviewing pieces this fall? I'm specifically interested in the Virginia Tax Review, Florida Tax Review, Columbia Tax Journal, and Georgetown Tax Lawyer. I hope to get my piece out the door in 2-3 weeks, but if these places are closed, I may as well just wait until Feb/March.
Posted by: tax | Aug 7, 2013 10:45:18 PM
Good luck, friends! I'm especially looking forward to seeing what this season brings as it's my first attempt to publish outside of my primary specialty and in a niche area. To Lurker: I don't know if that is "common" or not, but in both seasons I have fielded extremely belated inquiries (a few months after CW says the window has closed and I'd already accepted elsewhere) about whether my article is still available, and I believe one of them was an actual offer.
Posted by: Viva Redyip! | Aug 8, 2013 12:50:36 AM
1 hour, 49 minute rejection from Cornell. new record for me....
oh and +1 journals all have different timelines this fall, some of which apparently are closing out this week (!!) and some of which won't even start looking until september....
Posted by: angsting | Aug 8, 2013 8:02:54 AM
angsting: Did Cornell "very much appreciate" your submission?
Posted by: anon | Aug 8, 2013 8:23:58 AM
What's a +1 journal?
Posted by: Anon | Aug 8, 2013 10:30:56 AM
anon @ 8:23 of course! (actually, joking aside, I do appreciate journals' prompt notifications when they're full -- it really helps me keep track of where things stand.)
anon @ 10:30 - i meant +1 "[the concept of] journals all have different timelines . . . "
Posted by: angsting | Aug 8, 2013 1:49:26 PM
Oh, and NYU and Boston Univ dings.
Posted by: angsting | Aug 8, 2013 1:49:55 PM
rejection from Penn w/in 24 hrs of submission
Posted by: updates | Aug 8, 2013 1:50:23 PM
Offer from bottom T2 journal, submitted 8/6. This cycle is weird, a bunch of journals are active now, but from friends at other schools I know that a whole lot are not starting to read until after 8/15 or even 8/20, so this makes the expediting game complicated.
Posted by: anonyprofs | Aug 8, 2013 3:22:49 PM
Posted by: anon | Aug 9, 2013 11:06:11 AM
Posted by: anon | Aug 9, 2013 11:54:22 AM
Can those who get dings/acceptances mention when they submitted? Thanks!
Posted by: anonyprofs | Aug 9, 2013 12:51:29 PM
Every day that goes by without my article being rejected is like another hour in a dance marathon. I know it's only a matter of time before I get the tap on the shoulder indicating that I'm out, but it's nice while it lasts.
Posted by: anon | Aug 9, 2013 2:23:07 PM
I submitted 8/2 and received an offer yesterday from a T50. So far no one has responded to my expedite request. Are others also getting silence? Thanks.
Posted by: anon | Aug 9, 2013 5:49:18 PM
I just discovered a (foolish) mistake in my submission -- apparently when I changed the title of my work part-way through writing it, I didn't properly update the headers so the PDF printed with the old title.
I am debating whether to send an updated version with a note expressing regret for any inconvenience the formatting error may have caused.
I don't want to draw undue attention to the issue, but at the same time don't want to show disrespect to the student editors.
Posted by: foolish.... | Aug 9, 2013 7:21:29 PM
anon | Aug 9, 2013 5:49:18 PM - the word from many profs is that at least half of the T30 schools are not actively reviewing (even if they are accepting submissions).
Posted by: anonyprofs | Aug 9, 2013 8:20:53 PM
anon @ 8:20 -- my school (T50) is actively reviewing, whereas others i've talked to (T50) won't start until september. I think Redyip has delegates this year... the "early birds" and the "coasting eagles."
Agreed, it makes expediting complicated.
Posted by: angsting | Aug 9, 2013 10:15:43 PM
@foolish--I wouldn't sweat it. The header is often an abridged or even a different version of the article title. Also, my sense is that editors would probably be more irritated by being asked to swap out versions of the article for such a minor change. And FWIW, I doubt the header will doom your submission--I've always had major awful typos in my drafts.
Posted by: anon | Aug 10, 2013 10:31:10 AM
8/1-ish submissions. Dings from Yale, NYU, Chicago, Cornell, and Penn.
Posted by: Anonymous Hero | Aug 11, 2013 4:36:17 PM
Ding from Cardozo, 3 days after submission
Posted by: updates | Aug 11, 2013 5:47:27 PM
Anyone else encountering trouble with Expresso? I submitted on 8/5, then received an offer via private email from T2 journal on 8/09. The editor tells me the journal has made the offer also via Expresso. However, Expresso still does not seem to recognize the existence of an offer. Strange.
(And, when in Rome: dings from SMU, Cardozo, NYU, Baylor, Yale, Indiana)
Posted by: Research Fellow | Aug 12, 2013 2:58:22 AM
Submissions starting 1 August. Rejections from NYU, Cornell, Cardozo, Chicago, Florida.
Posted by: Not Even | Aug 12, 2013 6:03:54 AM
Submitted 8-7. This morning received offer from a school near bottom of T-100. Radio-silence otherwise... How high to expedite?
Posted by: quandry | Aug 12, 2013 10:40:33 AM
Offer from low T2 on article submitted on 8/7. Rejections off this submission from Chicago, NYU, and SMU.
Posted by: anonyprofs | Aug 12, 2013 11:08:31 AM
Submission on 8/9, rejection from SMU, otherwise nothing.
Posted by: CP | Aug 12, 2013 11:29:15 AM
quandry -- i've been told (on approximately good authority) that some non-trivial portion of the T50 journals won't even start looking at articles until september. others have nearly completed their review.
i don't know whether they'll process expedites in advance (they might?), but given i was also advised generally to expedite "in waves" from offers at that level -- i'd suggest going no higher than 50 at this point. if it were me, personally, i'd go with 70-100, wait a bit, and slowly climb higher starting the last week of august if radio silence continues.
also, my rejections: Chicago, Penn, NYU, Cornell, BU, SMU, Cardozo and a top specialty. submitted middle of last week.
Posted by: angsting | Aug 12, 2013 11:55:07 AM
Submitted 8/1 to top 50-ish and a few specialty journals. Quick rejections from Yale, Chicago, NYU, Cornell, SMU, and Baylor. Offer from top 30 journal on 8/7, with short expedite period (deadline was 8/11). Expedited to top 15-ish, and withdrew from all others. Only UCLA responded to my expedite request, saying they could not make the deadline. Happily accepted offer.
Posted by: Anon Prof | Aug 12, 2013 12:07:55 PM
Anything else going on out there? I submitted on Friday, and between the end of "confirmation of receipts" on Expresso and the near-silence on this thread, it was a long weekend. SMU and Harvard dings, otherwise nothing...
Posted by: Impatient | Aug 12, 2013 6:12:42 PM
Submitted 8/8. Dings already from Yale, Cornell, Chicago, and Minnesota.
Posted by: Fidgety | Aug 12, 2013 9:06:52 PM
Do you all say yes when Expresso asks you to certify an offer? I know the journals know we all play the expedite game, but I still feel a little bad about being so explicit about it.
Posted by: Anon | Aug 12, 2013 11:20:26 PM
Submitted T100 (non-scholastica) and to specialty journals in my area on 8/7. Indiana ding but otherwise almost complete silence (some insignificant acknowledgments of receipt by lower specialties).
Posted by: Acrossthewater | Aug 13, 2013 3:10:11 AM
Rejection from Richmond after an expedite (submitted 8/5, expedited 8/9).
Posted by: Research Fellow | Aug 13, 2013 4:04:02 AM
I also submitted 8/1-ish, and I've received rejections from: Harvard (on 8/5, they day they said they started reviewing), University of Pennsylvania (8/4), Notre Dame (immediately, told they were full), NYU (rejected 8/2), University of Chicago (8/5), Florida (8/7), Loyola of Los Angeles (told it was full on 8/5), SMU (rejected 8/1)
Posted by: Thick Skin (Sort of) | Aug 13, 2013 8:57:40 AM
For people who have done an exclusive submission to a journal before, is it typical to get a rejection from the journal before the window ends or is radio silence standard?
Posted by: jr. anon. | Aug 13, 2013 9:37:13 AM
Radio silence has become the norm. If a journal is interested in a particular piece - it contacts the author.
Posted by: anoff | Aug 13, 2013 10:34:58 AM
Anyone heard a peep from Stanford or Columbia?
Posted by: anon | Aug 13, 2013 10:50:25 AM
Can I just say that UCLA has the nicest form expedite email? We will definitely get to your article by your deadline. Yes, it was sent 4 minutes after my expedite at 10pm, but it really felt like someone actually wrote it to me. No snark here, it was really very nice.
Posted by: Anon | Aug 13, 2013 12:03:22 PM
hearing nothing.... i applied to mainly specialty journals beginning of aug...no rejections or acceptances...only one confirmation
Posted by: anon | Aug 13, 2013 2:14:04 PM
re query by Anon | Aug 12, 2013 11:20:26 PM, this is the message that expressO sends to the journal when you ask for certification of an offer:
Author [ ] claims that the paper titled, "[ ]", has an active offer from [ ]. If this is correct, please certify the offer in ExpressO by clicking the link:
To avoid this in the future, please certify your offers to publish through ExpressO. Doing so allows an author to accept your offer and automatically withdraw the paper from other law reviews.
Posted by: quandry | Aug 13, 2013 3:33:34 PM
Thanks, quandry. I did see that letter, I guess I just feel bad that I told the journal that gave me an offer: thanks, but I'm going to see if I can do any better, so can you confirm my offer? Anyway, I know it's the nature of the game so I guess I shouldn't feel too bad.
Posted by: Anon | Aug 13, 2013 5:53:25 PM
Dinged by SMU today (8/13) about 5 hours after I submitted.
Posted by: Ta-dow | Aug 13, 2013 8:05:02 PM
Yeah, SMU is the new Michigan. Got my ding in a couple of hours, too.
Posted by: Anon | Aug 14, 2013 1:40:51 PM
Minnesota and Indiana dings.
Posted by: Ding Ding | Aug 14, 2013 1:59:02 PM
So with all these dings coming through, is it too late to submit Aug. 15?
Posted by: aerialprof | Aug 14, 2013 4:45:43 PM
Another ding from Indiana today.
Posted by: Young prof | Aug 14, 2013 7:31:40 PM
Ding from Yale
Posted by: Thick Skin (Sort of) | Aug 14, 2013 9:16:07 PM
It's not too late to submit on 8/15. I'd say only half the T100 are up and running.
Posted by: anon | Aug 14, 2013 9:16:44 PM
finally got my baylor ding! and indiana (indianapolis, not bloomington)
and i agree, 8/15 is not too late to submit.
Posted by: angsting | Aug 14, 2013 10:25:27 PM
Does anyone have a sense of whether the LRs that are frequently mentioned here are actively reviewing and accepting, or just rejecting the articles they absolutely don't want?
Posted by: anonyprofs | Aug 14, 2013 10:57:00 PM
Dings from Wisc, Baylor and Virginia. After a few days of complete silence (submitted a week ago), seems that at least something begins to move. Still complete silence from specialties.
Posted by: Acrossthewater | Aug 15, 2013 12:13:21 AM
Vandy ding, to go with NYU, Chicago, Yale, Harvard, and Cornell dings. Submitted 7/31 - 8/4.
Posted by: Grizzlish | Aug 15, 2013 7:19:06 AM
Indiana (Indianapolis) is making offers.
Posted by: Anon | Aug 15, 2013 7:45:22 AM
My NYU ding came 9 minutes after my submission. But I'm sure they did indeed "read it with interest".
Posted by: ILprof | Aug 15, 2013 10:37:43 AM
slowest week in history. i'd be grateful even to receive dings, though that still wouldnt justify the amount of time i've spent checking my email hoping for any kind of affirmation that my article's not in a black hole.
Posted by: arrrrrggghhh | Aug 15, 2013 10:42:05 AM
There's definitely some activity. I've gotten several of the same dings as others and a couple of T3 offers in the last week. Submitted on the 9th.
Posted by: Anon | Aug 15, 2013 11:09:17 AM
So, any help/insight would be much appreciated.
I'm about a year out from having graduated and am looking to publish -- I'm a judicial law clerk, which is something, but not a professor and certainly not a name that is well known (and I only have a minimal publishing history, but at least one exists). So I understand that I've got quite the uphill climb. I went to W&L's Top Law Journal Rankings and sent my material to all the journals in the Top 200 that accept submissions that are by email or their online submission (e.g., not Expresso or Scholastica because $$$). That's about 50-ish journals, sent out at the beginning of the week. Should I just suck it up and throw down some money and submit via Express to the lower end schools (no sense in wasting money on the higher ranked journals, I know)? If so, should I wait a few weeks, or send now lest I miss a window? Any help would be appreciated.
And, to be on topic: I sent an "exclusive" submission to Yale on 8/2, received a rejection on 8/12. Yes, I wanted to be *that* guy whose first post-grad publication was in Yale because his insight was just *so* amazing (yes, plenty of sarcasm). Aiming high, hoping to hit somewhere in the middle.
Posted by: New_Guy | Aug 15, 2013 11:22:04 AM
Yep, this is exactly the stage where silence could easily mean further consideration, black hole, or a combination of both.
Posted by: Acrossthewater | Aug 15, 2013 11:38:19 AM
Got my wish. Virginia and Baylor dings.
New_Guy, the answers to your questions depend on a lot of fact-specific info, for example whether you are hoping to be a law professor and when you are planning to go on the market. If you're applying for academic jobs this year and need this publication to get attention, for instance, then it would be worth spending the money to submit to every top100 journal still reading articles this cycle, in order to ensure the best possible placement. Your best bet at getting accurate advice is to talk to a law prof (e.g., someone from your law school) about your specific situation and goals.
Posted by: arrrrrggghhh | Aug 15, 2013 11:42:15 AM
I love and hate the blind hope that comes with no ding from the frequent dingers listed here...
Posted by: anonyprofs | Aug 15, 2013 12:02:38 PM
Submitted 8/9. Virginia ding.
Posted by: anoff | Aug 15, 2013 12:13:32 PM
If I got a low T3 offer and already expedited, do I re-expedite a higher-T3 offer (like 15 USNews slots higher)? Slightly later expiration date, too. And if I do expedite the newer offer, how high should I expedite? All the way?
Posted by: Question | Aug 15, 2013 12:24:52 PM
Does anyone think it's not worth the effort to submit on Monday? I can never quite tell when this cycle begins/ends and I'm debating whether it's worth the destruction of my weekend just to get it out and see what happens.
Posted by: Ambivalent | Aug 15, 2013 2:07:54 PM
to Question: yes, re-expedite-- the combo of higher rank and later deadline is a good one, and makes your article look "hot."
Posted by: lucy peanuts | Aug 15, 2013 2:19:28 PM
are specialty journals on a later schedule? I applied to many specialty journals and have received only one rejection and nothing else
Posted by: anon | Aug 15, 2013 3:04:37 PM
I also have a target for Monday but now it seems unrealistic. I am not going to destroy my weekend working on my footnotes. It seems like maybe Monday is too late for some or too early for others. From what I gather, any date in between August 1 and early September is arbitrary, unless you are targeting specific journals that you know for certain are making decisions in early August.
Posted by: ManicMonday | Aug 15, 2013 4:42:30 PM
I'm a recent graduate working in practice. I have been dinged by Yale, NYU and Cornell but not by a number of law reviews dinging others (e.g., Penn, Wisconsin, Virginia) despite having submitted very early. Might this be a good sign or (what seems more likely) is my submission not even being read? Is expediting the only to way for a newbie to be taken seriously?
Posted by: New Girl | Aug 15, 2013 5:15:04 PM
NYU ding today, to add to the prior collection (Yale, Cornell, Chicago, and Minnesota). 8/9 submission; tomorrow is my one-week anniversary. I'm proud that I'm still in so many relationships. The secret of our happiness is to avoid all communication.
Posted by: Fidgety | Aug 15, 2013 6:12:09 PM
Hard to know, New Girl. I'm likewise waiting on those three. I've got enough of a track record and what I think is a good enough submission this go round that I hope it's being read. But I also submitted very narrowly, so I worry that some journals won't read in the absence of expedite requests that won't be coming because I didn't submit to that many places. Sometimes it just takes a while.
Posted by: Grizzlish | Aug 15, 2013 6:33:21 PM
Could someone advise on how far up the chain ought I expedite?
I submitted my article on 8/5 and so far have received offers from two t2/3 specialty journals. I have so far had silence from some of the regular dingers e.g. Harvard, Virgina, Chicago. I therefore think the article is simply not being read.
Although conventional wisdom says only to expedite partially, surely expediting all the way to the top at least increases the chances that the top journals will read it. I think I will kick myself if I eventually accept one of these offers without at least asking the t50 reviews to expedite the review.
Posted by: Almost newb | Aug 16, 2013 3:30:39 AM
If you've already resigned yourself to the August cycle -- when the Feb/March cycle offers more hope, I think -- you may as well expedite all the way up. Just my two cents.
Posted by: ManicMonday | Aug 16, 2013 3:37:08 AM
Expedited all the way up. Chicago rejection two hours later.
Posted by: Almost newb | Aug 16, 2013 9:48:00 AM
For those who've received quick dings:
Were any of the dings because the piece didn't match something in the review guidelines (ex: review subject area/wrong length)? I've heard that some law reviews complain about not receiving pertinent articles so I'm curious.
Posted by: dinged | Aug 16, 2013 10:23:03 AM
Indiana (Indianapolis) ding. Submitted 8/13, Rejected 8/16.
Posted by: Ta-Dow | Aug 16, 2013 10:51:18 AM
Florida rejection off an expedite.
Posted by: anonyprofs | Aug 16, 2013 12:12:04 PM
Ding from Virginia
Posted by: Young prof | Aug 16, 2013 12:44:35 PM
Anyone else seeing Scholastica down?
Posted by: aerialprof | Aug 16, 2013 2:50:52 PM
Scholastica is working for me. Just did an expedite this morning and it went through fine as well.
Posted by: Anon | Aug 16, 2013 2:58:04 PM
sorry i am new to this process, if a journal sends an email that says they received the article, are reviewing it, and will let you know a decision by X date (a specific date), does that mean it is getting a higher level of review?
Posted by: new | Aug 16, 2013 4:17:50 PM
new: FWIW, I've never gotten an email like that, but when I have gotten personalized emails (in terms of specific references to my article or specific dates), it has generally meant good things. But then again, it could be a form email. You just never know for sure!
Posted by: CP | Aug 16, 2013 4:35:05 PM
In response to Manic Monday's advice (and likely out of general anxiousness as well), I've expedited up far further than usually advised, but not all the way up. I received a confirmation from one journal, which was nice to see. Mostly silence.
Posted by: Thick Skin (Sort of) | Aug 16, 2013 6:25:20 PM
UCLA ding. I think I'm first. Do I win a prize??
Posted by: We can't don't make us | Aug 16, 2013 7:18:18 PM
I just submitted my first law review article yesterday. I submitted to a lot-- 127. Received one ding from Cornell within a couple of hours of submission. I'm usually pretty cool under pressure but am feeling pretty anxious. I didn't include a cover letter because a colleague/reviewer said she doesn't and she didn't feel it was necessary. I'm hoping that wasn't a mistake. I did upload a cv.
Posted by: Submission Rookie | Aug 16, 2013 7:39:36 PM
new: not likely, unless that date is within the next week, then probably.
Submission Rookie: cover letters are essential, unless you don't have a letterhead, in which case you are pretty screwed anyway, or your name is Elena Kagan or something similar. I'm guessing your reviewer falls into the latter category.
Posted by: anonprof | Aug 16, 2013 8:41:29 PM
angsting @ Aug 12, 2013 11:55:07 AM -- "others have nearly completed their review."
Obviously journals that filled up in spring have completed their review, but which journals actually had a late summer/fall window and have completed their review by Aug 16? I'm highly skeptical that's actually true. But if you have specifics, I defer to you.
I've submitted in the past in October (twice) and gotten T40 placements. Not the best one can do, but candidly I'm not sure the pieces deserved that much better, so it's not clear being late hurt me at all.
Posted by: MC Prof | Aug 16, 2013 9:03:55 PM
There was a thread a while ago about cover letters -- can't remember whether it was here or on another profs' cite. It sounded like most AE's were too busy to read them, but some gave them value. Thus, the conventional wisdom seems to be that letters won't hurt and might help, so you might as well write one.
Posted by: ManicMonday | Aug 16, 2013 9:06:04 PM
I'll be sure to include one next go round. Or are they important enough that I need to resubmit?
Posted by: Submission Rookie | Aug 16, 2013 9:41:54 PM
Oh by the way, I am an Asst. Prof at a non ranked school, so I do have letterhead, but not one that's going to impress anyone. But went to top law school so maybe that will help.
Posted by: Submission Rookie | Aug 16, 2013 9:45:55 PM
CP and anonprof thanks for the advice, the date is within less than a week... guess ill know soon enough...
Posted by: new | Aug 16, 2013 9:51:25 PM
p.s. i have no letterhead... recent grad...
Posted by: new | Aug 16, 2013 10:05:24 PM
Chicago rejection -- submitted 8/12, rejected 8/16.
Thanks for the insight, arrrrrggghhh.
new: Hello there, fellow recent grad. I have no fancy letterhead either! I don't think that fact, standing alone, is going to doom us. I'm sure our rejections will be based on our recent grad status, non-professor status, publication history, and (most important, of course) the quality of the submission. :)
Posted by: New_Guy | Aug 17, 2013 10:09:42 AM
Baylor ding. 8/13 submission, 8/18 rejection.
Posted by: Ta-dow | Aug 18, 2013 12:43:58 PM
Ding from Cardozo, submitted Aug 1.
Posted by: ST | Aug 18, 2013 4:57:15 PM
Yale ding 8/19. Submitted 8/9.
Posted by: Patience | Aug 19, 2013 8:26:12 AM