Monday, August 26, 2013
Law School Hiring, 2013-2014, Thread One
We invite those on the market to leave comments on this thread regarding whether they have received:
(a) a first round interview at a school (including the subject areas the school mentioned, if any, as being of particular interest, and whether the interview offer was accepted);
(b) a callback from a law school and/or accepted it; or
(c) an offer from a law school and/or accepted it; feel free to also leave details about the offer, including teaching load, research leave, etc. A school listed as "offer accepted" may have made more than one offer and may still have some slots open.
Law professors may also choose to provide information that is relevant to the entry-level market.
Four miscellaneous things:
1. If you don't want your contact information displayed, enter email@example.com or something like that as an email address.
2. There is a separate thread, "A Clearinghouse for Questions," for general questions or comments about the teaching market. Please do not use the thread below for general questions or comments. (Such comments will be deleted, not out of hostility or in a judgy way, just to keep this thread focused.)
4. Finally, in each of the last five years, someone who is on the market has volunteered to aggregate the information on a spreadsheet. If you would like to volunteer, please contact me directly at slawsky *at* law *dot* uci *dot* edu, and I will get you set up.
We now have an aggregator, and we will thus continue our spreadsheet approach: All information should come in through the comments. Our aggregator will use a spreadsheet to aggregate the information. Only the aggregator will be able to edit the spreadsheet, but when the aggregator edits the spreadsheet, those changes will be reflected in the embedded, downloadable version below.
Here is the spreadsheet, which is downloadable.
Please be patient with the aggregator, who will try to update this spreadsheet once a day, but may have a job, and perhaps may even be on the market.
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first round interview offered but not at AALS -- video interview with the hiring committee instead
Posted by: anon | Aug 27, 2013 6:16:14 PM
Same OP as before. I have volunteered to Sarah to maintain the spreadsheet. I will populate based on the comments thread, but you can also email firstname.lastname@example.org. (Please don't do both and leave me to puzzle over whether I am double counting something.)
Posted by: anon-market | Aug 28, 2013 7:18:03 AM
A suggestion: it would also be helpful to collect information about which law schools have stated that they are not hiring this year. There are quite a few.
Posted by: AN | Aug 28, 2013 2:50:07 PM
As far as I know Denver is not hiring; neither is Seattle.
Posted by: Baconator | Aug 28, 2013 3:38:08 PM
Iowa said it wasn't.
Posted by: anon | Aug 28, 2013 3:49:00 PM
South Texas said it wasn't.
Posted by: 1234 | Aug 28, 2013 3:58:34 PM
(secondhand info) Miami is not hiring.
Posted by: anon | Aug 28, 2013 4:12:33 PM
Tennessee is not hiring.
Posted by: anon | Aug 28, 2013 4:39:07 PM
Texas A&M isn't hiring
Posted by: anon | Aug 28, 2013 5:16:50 PM
Utah, U. Washington, Marquette, Lewis & Clark, Gonzaga, Nebraska, Santa Clara, Minnesota, Davis - all of those are not hiring.
Posted by: anon | Aug 28, 2013 7:58:54 PM
Add Oregon to the list not hiring this year.
Posted by: Prof Hopeful | Aug 28, 2013 8:20:36 PM
Washington & Lee told me they weren't hiring this year.
Posted by: anon | Aug 28, 2013 9:14:47 PM
FRC interview offer at Alabama
Posted by: Anon | Aug 29, 2013 1:54:38 PM
I just want to add that I believe "Answers?" is correct - no hiring at Denver or St. John's.
Posted by: anon | Aug 30, 2013 12:22:47 PM
Alabama for Crim; Florida for civ pro, evidence, PR. Also, I don't think silence means much at this point. I've gotten word from a lot of schools that they are not going to start looking at candidates until after labor day. Just a little bit of hope heading into the weekend.
Posted by: anon | Aug 30, 2013 12:33:00 PM
top 75 school just called. very nice to see "university of" pop up in caller ID.
Posted by: anon | Aug 30, 2013 2:47:53 PM
Traditionally, those who have received calls specify the school in this thread. "Couple of Txx calls" is not very helpful. If you can, specify the school, and ideally the teaching / research area if possible. See anon@12:33 for a good example.
Posted by: anonandoff | Aug 30, 2013 4:06:16 PM
Missouri for IP
Posted by: anon | Aug 30, 2013 4:16:08 PM
Another Missouri for IP :-)
Posted by: anon | Aug 30, 2013 4:27:53 PM
8/30 -- Alabama -- clinical -- AALS FRC interview scheduled
Posted by: person | Sep 2, 2013 10:36:57 AM
Places confirmed as not hiring: Utah, BU, Denver
Posted by: places not hiring | Sep 3, 2013 11:59:54 AM
Alabama for tax.
Posted by: anon | Sep 3, 2013 12:01:35 PM
Alabama civ pro
Posted by: Anom | Sep 3, 2013 12:29:40 PM
Pitt -- clinical
Posted by: person | Sep 3, 2013 1:56:35 PM
Indiana (Bloomington), UC Irvine
Posted by: anon | Sep 3, 2013 4:23:32 PM
Request for additional materials from Harvard.
Posted by: Anon_2 | Sep 3, 2013 4:25:22 PM
Posted by: anon | Sep 3, 2013 5:00:28 PM
Vanderbilt on Friday
Posted by: anon | Sep 3, 2013 5:01:02 PM
Posted by: anon | Sep 3, 2013 5:31:53 PM
Heard from friend that Wash U St. Louis is not hiring this year.
Posted by: anon | Sep 3, 2013 5:32:50 PM
sorry, to clarify last post- Drexel for IP
Posted by: anon | Sep 3, 2013 5:33:46 PM
Can I get areas for Drexel (first), Vanderbilt, UC Irvine, and Indiana?
T15 interviewee, can you give us schools and areas?
Posted by: aggregator | Sep 3, 2013 6:04:54 PM
Posted by: anonandon | Sep 3, 2013 6:49:08 PM
I will forever assume the best of people and miss trolls and flames. Call me naive and easily manipulated (and you would be right), but it's a better way to live. Anyway, thanks, I will stop worrying about charting the T15s.
Posted by: aggregator | Sep 3, 2013 7:53:42 PM
Southern Illinois, Torts and Legislative and Administrative Process
Posted by: anon | Sep 3, 2013 10:23:01 PM
Idaho for Criminal Law & Procedure as well as Evidence
Posted by: anon | Sep 3, 2013 10:39:46 PM
@ Second Year Prof's comments -- I appreciate your posts, and you raise an interesting possibility. But I have to wonder: how reliable was your intel? *You* may have thought that you weren't in the running, but they didn't know you well enough to write you off completely; couldn't it have been an honest attempt to make sure someone didn't fall through the cracks?
Somehow I tend to believe that the profs at Harvard and Chicago are above such shenanigans, because they are smarter than that. If the scheme actually exists, it would likely be exposed to the public at some point; it would then raise embarrassing ethical questions that could result in serious consequences, from the bar, from the deans, from the university, from the government, from unhired candidates. Might one sue for false pretenses, or on another basis? There are plenty of jobless candidates who, having received no offers, would have nothing better to do ....
In any event, if Harvard and Chicago shared this info with the fellows, why stop there, why not share it with their alums who are also on the market and who they have an interest in supporting?
Posted by: anona | Sep 4, 2013 12:03:55 AM
Believe me, I am an alum of Chicago and I seriously doubt that the faculty would care so much about students - let alone fellows who may or may not have gone to the school- that they would bring more work upon themselves for " intelligence ." I think they can get a fair amount of it from the FAR forms, they are not going to read 30 papers. Also, both HLS and Chicago have people who handle the alumni and they already get intelligence on where their own alumni are interviewing and in many cases they are familiar w their alum's qualifications.
Posted by: Anon | Sep 4, 2013 12:51:37 AM
Also a this stage what benefit is there to "intelligence"? We already know there are some superstars on the market. One cannot magically increase publications, etc overnight. If the fellows don't stack up to the competition nothing much can be done anyway. Everyone is already aiming for top school so it likely would not change anyone's strategy.
Posted by: Anon | Sep 4, 2013 12:55:01 AM
There is a Harvard book of CVs, but I believe it has a few hundred people, obviously not all people who are in FAR so I am not sure how useful it is to committees. I think some just send it in when they are bored w their firm jobs whereas at least w FAR you shelled out $450 so you must be serious!
Posted by: Anon12 | Sep 4, 2013 1:08:57 AM
Aggregator: I think alabama civ pro should just be 8/29 for both, I was the one who posted earlier today. I got the call Thursday but just was on this board today. So I think they made all their civ pro calls all together. They are recruiting for 3 fields as noted in AALS.
Posted by: Anonymous | Sep 4, 2013 1:16:57 AM
I am a fellow at Chicago or Harvard, and I can assure you that if our appointments committee is obtaining information for "intelligence" purposes to benefit fellows, they sure aren't sharing it with us.
Posted by: anon | Sep 4, 2013 2:34:53 AM
Roger. Changed Alabama. I will assume day-of-posting unless explicitly instructed otherwise.
Posted by: aggregator | Sep 4, 2013 5:35:05 AM
I didn't mean to imply that anything unethical or nefarious was going on. Also, I certainly did not mean for anyone to think that faculty members were sharing information with fellows. But, contrary to what some folks think, faculty really want their fellows and grads to succeed on the market. It is definitely good for the school's reputation. Most of the top schools have dedicated committees whose aim is to facilitate placement for grads and fellows. See, for example:
Posted by: Second Year Prof | Sep 4, 2013 12:26:16 PM
Alabama: specific courses were not discussed but I am not a tax person nor a clinician and could teach about 4 of the other indicated curricular needs.
Posted by: anon | Sep 4, 2013 12:46:34 PM
Second Year Prof, I don't think any of us doubt that top schools want their alumni and fellows to place. I think it's more that we don't understand what requesting information from people they don't intend to hire would accomplish.
Posted by: anon | Sep 4, 2013 4:54:07 PM
Wyoming calling for AALS interviews.
Posted by: anon | Sep 4, 2013 6:14:11 PM
Translation: Wyoming called me on 9/4, position not specified?
Posted by: Aggregator | Sep 4, 2013 6:25:55 PM
American University is not hiring this year.
Posted by: anon | Sep 5, 2013 10:11:20 AM
Posted by: anon | Sep 5, 2013 1:04:41 PM
but i will say that i have had four calls, and i am in the middle of the alphabet. for what it's worth.
Posted by: aggregator | Sep 5, 2013 4:00:17 PM
(my comments are appearing in the wrong order: what i said to baconator is that people are barely willing to admit calls, let alone what field, or when the call came in, so hell will freeze over before people admit the first letter of their last names.)
Posted by: aggregator | Sep 5, 2013 4:01:26 PM
Posted by: Anon | Sep 5, 2013 5:13:42 PM
University of Houston on Sept. 5, no subject specified, first round at AALS
Posted by: RealisticOptimist | Sep 5, 2013 5:22:50 PM
9/4 | Richmond | Subject Area Unspecified | AALS FRC Interview
Posted by: B-non | Sep 5, 2013 5:56:17 PM
Wyoming, area unspecified, from the FAR, call 9/5. Stetson VAP, from the FAR, email 9/5.
Posted by: anon | Sep 5, 2013 8:31:20 PM
am i listing vaps or just TT? sarah?
Posted by: aggregator | Sep 6, 2013 7:29:19 AM
9/2 Richmond for T&E.
Posted by: anon | Sep 6, 2013 8:37:29 AM
UNLV sending email saying "We simply are likely not to do any hiring during this appointments season" despite inclusion in AALS Placement Bulletin...
Posted by: anon | Sep 6, 2013 9:29:27 AM
Aggregator: re listing fellowships, it is up to you. In the past we haven't done VAPs because there are so many fellowships that adding fellowships to this would make the aggregation a much, much harder job. That said, if people want to list VAPs in the comments, of course they are welcome to. And if you want to take on the job of aggregating them, also fine.
Posted by: Sarah Lawsky | Sep 6, 2013 9:37:12 AM
to "whatever": go here to ask questions http://prawfsblawg.blogs.com/prawfsblawg/2013/08/a-clearinghouse-for-questions-2013-2014.html
Posted by: anon | Sep 6, 2013 9:37:46 AM
I will not spreadsheet the VAPs, then. But happy to see them listed in comments. Good luck to everyone!
Posted by: aggregator | Sep 6, 2013 10:19:03 AM
Where the school offers an interview but does not specify which subject, it would be helpful if commenters could indicate what their main FAR field(s) was/were, e.g,. procedure, crim, health, con law. I'm hearing that in this market, except perhaps at top schools, there is likely to be a preference for slot hires.
Posted by: Anon | Sep 6, 2013 11:41:44 AM
I got an interview with Florida A&M for civil procedure.
Posted by: anon | Sep 6, 2013 9:24:21 PM
Colorado, but no specifics on curricular needs
Posted by: anon | Sep 6, 2013 10:04:09 PM
Is there any sense whether the market this year is any better, worse, or equivalent to last year?
Posted by: anonagain | Sep 7, 2013 12:55:04 PM
anonagain, questions usually go in this thread: http://prawfsblawg.blogs.com/prawfsblawg/2013/08/a-clearinghouse-for-questions-2013-2014.html, but the general sense is worse, if not much worse (from the perspective of applicants).
Posted by: anonandoff | Sep 7, 2013 1:13:34 PM
ASU is calling
Posted by: Mr Fake Name | Sep 8, 2013 5:34:46 PM
Houston,9/4. No area specified.
Posted by: a-oui | Sep 8, 2013 6:12:09 PM
Temple pre-AALS interview, cyberlaw
Posted by: anon | Sep 9, 2013 9:52:03 AM
^ Temple contacted on 9/5
Posted by: anon | Sep 9, 2013 9:53:15 AM
ASU. No area specified.
Posted by: ANON | Sep 9, 2013 6:49:23 PM
I also have it on very good authority that almost all T14 schools are still in the early stages of candidate vetting. They may have made some early calls to a few people, for various reasons, but the bulk of their calls won't be going out until probably next week.
Posted by: ANON | Sep 9, 2013 6:52:02 PM
California Western, Torts and Evidence.
Posted by: Baconator | Sep 9, 2013 7:23:36 PM
Just an FYI: it took a while for me to get around to it, but I've just deleted all the extraneous comments on this thread. This post is for sharing information about calls, not emotions and angst. Sorry. But if you want to ask questions, as Sarah notes above in the OP, we have a real thread where questions and feedback can be found. Thanks!
Posted by: Dan Markel | Sep 9, 2013 9:01:39 PM
Ohio State, unspecified, Sep 7
Posted by: anonymous | Sep 9, 2013 9:12:17 PM
Cal Western, Southwestern
Posted by: anon | Sep 9, 2013 10:47:34 PM
Posted by: aggregator | Sep 10, 2013 3:33:21 PM
Posted by: anon | Sep 10, 2013 3:45:48 PM
Michigan State, tax, t&e
Posted by: anon | Sep 10, 2013 4:03:24 PM
University South Carolina, torts
Posted by: anon | Sep 10, 2013 5:37:21 PM
Suffolk, business courses
Posted by: anon | Sep 10, 2013 6:00:07 PM
FWIW, I know someone who got interviews with two T6 schools today, but is not posting them. Can't go into details without permission.
Posted by: anon | Sep 10, 2013 10:28:08 PM
Posted by: anon | Sep 11, 2013 3:32:43 PM
New York Law School 9/10 - international law
Posted by: anon | Sep 11, 2013 7:07:35 PM
Duncan School of Law called for Property on 9/10.
Posted by: 1234 | Sep 11, 2013 7:08:02 PM
When someone makes reference to a T6 school, shouldn't we just assume the school's rank is 6?
Posted by: elmaestro | Sep 11, 2013 8:03:08 PM
I would say you can assume Chicago, Columbia, or NYU, but they shift around so saying 4, 5, or 6 isn't terribly meaningful.
Posted by: anon | Sep 11, 2013 8:07:18 PM
Request for job talk paper from Berkeley.
Posted by: anon | Sep 11, 2013 11:11:58 PM
Duncan School of Law for Criminal Law
Posted by: anon | Sep 12, 2013 8:45:05 AM
Yale & South Carolina, both for a clinical positions.
Posted by: anonymouse | Sep 12, 2013 10:23:37 AM
Not sure how to interpret this, but Yale just sent a request for additional materials (non-clinical).
Posted by: anon | Sep 12, 2013 11:45:23 AM
^ Baffling, isn't it? Obviously, they are dinging you gently. :-)
Posted by: M | Sep 12, 2013 2:48:30 PM
Got a request for additional from a top 14.I suspect more people are getting these from the top schools but people are not posting bc no one knows if they are sending them out to bunches of people or just individual candidates.
I suspect no top 14 is granting aals interviews without even having or reviewing additional materials.
Posted by: AnonUuu | Sep 12, 2013 2:58:31 PM
"I suspect no top 14 is granting aals interviews without even having or reviewing additional materials." This suspicion turns out to be false. Without getting into details, I know of several such interviews.
Posted by: anon | Sep 12, 2013 3:05:33 PM
We are looking to hire an assistant professor in business ethics in our department within the University of Minnesota's Carlson School of Management. We are open to hiring a legal scholar who is writing and teaching in this field. More information about the position and our department is available through our advertisement in the Chronicle of Higher Education website (http://chronicle.com/jobs/0000792619-01/). All applications need to be made through the University of Minnesota on-line system. We will not be interviewing at AALS.
Posted by: Paul M. Vaaler | Sep 12, 2013 5:02:58 PM
Toledo - Evidence
Posted by: anon | Sep 12, 2013 7:08:01 PM
Cardozo, IP, pre-AALS
Posted by: anon | Sep 12, 2013 7:48:15 PM
New Hampshire, 9/12, IP
Posted by: anon1 | Sep 13, 2013 10:20:39 AM
^ me too (UNH, 9/12, IP)
Posted by: Aggregator | Sep 13, 2013 12:31:03 PM
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