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Thursday, January 31, 2013
VAPs and Fellowships: Open Thread, 2012-2013
[Originally published 11/26/12; final bump, 1/31/13.]
As requested, here is this year's open thread in which comments can be shared regarding news of interviews for or appointments to VAPs or similar fellowships (for example, the Climenko and Bigelow). (Here is last year's thread.)
[If someone wants to aggregate this information, email me, slawsky *at* law *dot* uci *dot* edu, and I will set you up with an embedded spreadsheet.]
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Does anyone know what tuition remission benefits, if any, are typically available for spouses of T20 VAPs? T5 VAPs?
Posted by: anon | Jan 16, 2013 10:50:22 PM
Yale received 82 applications for max 5 spots. http://yaledailynews.com/blog/2013/01/17/law-ph-d-gets-first-applications/
Posted by: anonanon | Jan 17, 2013 9:41:18 AM
"Applications for the Law School’s Ph.D. program closed on Dec. 15, and accepted students will be notified this spring."
that seems to imply that notifications haven't gone out yet.
Posted by: anon | Jan 17, 2013 10:15:10 AM
At least two other Yale offers have been extended, both to Bigelow/Climenko-like applicants.
Posted by: Nona | Jan 17, 2013 10:19:14 AM
So your understanding is that 3 yale phd offers have been extended? (You know that one of your two offers wasn't the anon from earlier?)
Posted by: anon | Jan 17, 2013 10:50:50 AM
Neither of the two are the earlier anon.
Posted by: Nona | Jan 17, 2013 2:58:50 PM
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Posted by: anon | Jan 17, 2013 3:51:06 PM
I'm obviously biased, but I can say that while it is certainly possible that Yale faculty will back the PHD candidates (I don't doubt it) we know for certain that U of Chicago strongly backs its Bigelows on the market. One big reason that the Bigelow has a strong record of placing all of its fellows is that the institution really both prepares you well for the market, but perhaps more importantly really supports its candidates including things like making phone calls/ being proactive with schools.
Posted by: former Bigelow | Jan 17, 2013 7:41:56 PM
Speaking of the Bigelow, has anyone been contacted recently regarding interviews or offers? Have they filled all three positions?
Posted by: anon | Jan 18, 2013 9:42:51 AM
No interviews, no rejections, no nothing. I'm getting tired of this game.
Posted by: Anon | Jan 18, 2013 12:13:35 PM
what do people think of this: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/18/opinion/practicing-law-should-not-mean-living-in-bankruptcy.html. i wonder how it's likely to impact the law teaching market a couple of years from now - it can't be a good development as far as i can see.
Posted by: anon | Jan 18, 2013 1:02:17 PM
@Anon 12:15:55, same here. It seems like schools outside the T5 have been really slow to get the ball rolling on VAPs for this fall.
@anon 1:02:17, interesting article. Would like to hear others' views on the likelihood that this will come to pass. It's hard to imagine that many people would pay for an "optional" extra year of law school, and professors who teach non-staple courses (even fairly important ones like, say, Family Law) will be in much lower demand as a result.
Posted by: anon | Jan 18, 2013 1:10:54 PM
Radio silence here too. Last Friday I heard from UConn that they are not brining any VAPs on this year. That has been my only feedback, positive or negative. Sounds like we might be in for a wait as schools try to figure out whether to hire anyone given the collapse of the applicant pool this year.
Posted by: VAP-to-be | Jan 18, 2013 6:35:00 PM
*bringing (I suppose UConn is also not going to soak anyone in salt either)
Posted by: VAP-to-be | Jan 18, 2013 6:38:14 PM
I think declarations of a "slow" season are seriously jumping the gun here. Apart from a very few programs (Climenko, Bigelow, the Columbia programs, NYU AAP, the Yale PhD, and perhaps one or two VAP programs), the great majority of VAPs and fellowships have barely reached--or have yet to reach--their application deadlines: Duke, UPenn, Georgetown, Cornell, Northwestern, WashU, most subfield fellowships at Harvard and NYU, and nearly all positions at lower-ranked schools. As far as we know, the ones that have deadlines in the fall are indeed moving along at their usual pace, and the Spring deadline positions have, of course, yet to start their review process.
Posted by: anon | Jan 19, 2013 4:22:02 PM
FWIW, last year Duke, Georgetown and UPenn sent out interview requests 3-4 weeks after their deadlines. If they stick to that this year, then we should starting hearing back in 10-14 days.
Posted by: anon | Jan 19, 2013 4:33:36 PM
Does anyone know of a Prawfsblawg/Faculty Lounge/Concurring Opinions/similar site's post on making the most of a VAP? I've been poking around on Google but I can't find anything except this site's "What Makes a Good Fellowship Program?," which seems to target those creating VAPs rather than those serving in them.
Posted by: Anon | Jan 21, 2013 10:14:30 AM
If a professor emails you a rejection notice, do you write back thanking him/her for the information?
Posted by: new-anon | Jan 21, 2013 3:55:05 PM
I wish I was getting any rejections, so far still nothing. No invits, no rejections.
Posted by: Anon | Jan 22, 2013 2:08:27 AM
I have a screening interview coming up, by phone, and I was wondering what I might expect. Are they much like mini-job talks or akin to AALS DC "meat market" interviews? Or less aggressive?
Posted by: pedrera | Jan 22, 2013 1:25:33 PM
new-anon -- You can if you want, but I don't think it's expected. (Personally, I wouldn't.)
pedrera -- It's school-dependent, but my experience is that it's been more like the meat market first round screening interviews.
Posted by: FARout | Jan 22, 2013 2:34:58 PM
pedrera: What school is the phone interview with?
Posted by: anon | Jan 23, 2013 11:14:37 AM
Is this thread due for a BUMP?
Posted by: Bump | Jan 24, 2013 9:39:47 AM
@Bump:
Yes, please!
Posted by: Anon | Jan 24, 2013 11:32:15 AM
Learned that Temple is about to start reviewing applications.
Posted by: Wondering | Jan 24, 2013 11:34:47 AM
any word from Columbia, GWU and Illinois? No rejections or acceptances or emails for interviews on my end...
Posted by: curioustoo | Jan 24, 2013 3:37:57 PM
Same as curioustoo.
Posted by: Anon1 | Jan 24, 2013 4:09:30 PM
Wondering, how did you get the update from Temple? I applied and haven't heard a word.
Posted by: Anon123 | Jan 25, 2013 8:07:08 AM
anon: the interview was with GW
Posted by: pedrera | Jan 25, 2013 12:51:33 PM
I also had a phone interview with GW today.
Posted by: anon6 | Jan 25, 2013 1:22:20 PM
@pedera, anon6
Great, that is exactly what I didn't want to hear.
Posted by: anon | Jan 25, 2013 1:36:58 PM
Anon123--I know someone there who mentioned it. They are just reviewing applications to decide who to interview. They haven't notified anyone yet.
Posted by: Wondering | Jan 25, 2013 1:54:38 PM
Out of curiosity, how did folks go about identifying available fellowships/VAPs and then building a list of those they wanted to apply to? I found that Paul Caron's list was incredibly helpful at providing a foundation, but terribly outdated for much functional value. And PJSD was awfully thin on listings. Particularly with the VAPs, it's a bit of a mystery to me how opportunities aren't missed, especially if, like me, your alma mater doesn't have the academic market infrastructure of Yale.
Posted by: Anon1 | Jan 25, 2013 2:14:20 PM
Survey: how many interviews do you think a school does for each slot? Might the number of slots not actually matter (because the primary constraint is the time of the committee), so whether it's two or five slots, say, ten interviews?
If you're on one of these committees or otherwise have pertinent info, please do tell...
Posted by: anona | Jan 25, 2013 2:15:28 PM
@Anon1, I had geographic constraints/preferences, so I basically reached out to all the local schools about VAPs. I think you're right that things can be missed. It's also worth following schools on twitter and checking facultylounge and any subject-specific blogs, if you've got the time.
Posted by: your favorite VAP | Jan 25, 2013 5:42:17 PM
My Favorite VAP: Did you contact even those local schools that hadn't sent a notice to The Faculty Lounge or listed it on their website or had a traditional program? For example, if you wanted to stay in NYC, would you have reached out not just to Columbia, NYU and Brooklyn--with a history of VAPS--but also Fordham and NY Law School, etc?
Posted by: Anon1 | Jan 25, 2013 8:47:15 PM
Does the prestige of the school offering the VAP matter, or is it a similar situation to TT jobs, where simply landing one is "good enough"?
Posted by: Anonyme | Jan 26, 2013 12:28:57 PM
Has anyone heard about the Yale ISP? Does anyone know if they are going to have funding this year?
Posted by: 123456 | Jan 26, 2013 7:12:46 PM
@Anonyme: Of course prestige matters, as it does in every aspect of this profession. And the stories from the frontlines back this up in a new way--lots of people with VAPs from good but not necessarily top 5 schools are not getting jobs this year.
As for VAPs, even the least "prestigious" are going to be far more competitive than normal because of the glut of market candidates who struck out and will be looking for a VAP and the already existing VAPs who wil be looking for another. Trickle down hiring economics at its best!
Posted by: anon | Jan 27, 2013 10:35:19 AM
@Anon1, I did not, but I did push hard at schools that sometimes had slots but weren't actively advertising them that year-- applied, followed up with contacts at the school, had my recommenders call, etc.
Posted by: my favorite VAP | Jan 27, 2013 10:56:11 AM
@anon 10:35:19 AM Sorry, I could have phrased my question better. Obviously, all things equal, one would choose to VAP at a higher-ranked school. I guess what I'm wondering is whether the name of the school one is VAP-ing at does more of the work, or if the quality of the scholarship produced during that VAP (and, I suppose, the quality of the relationships formed with the faculty during that VAP) will carry the day.
Posted by: Anonyme | Jan 27, 2013 11:14:54 AM
@Anonyme, you might pull up Glenn Cohen's post(s) about what makes for a good VAP if you haven't already. Name carries a lot of weight (and lead to recos from bigger-name scholars) but other features of a program will make it better or worse in terms of preparing you for the market. Also depends on the types of schools you're better suited for-- tier 3 and 4 schools may be more excited about VAPs who have gotten real doctrinal teaching experience and have teaching evals, vs. fellowships with no teaching or only legal writing. They look at you like someone who can talk intelligently about approaches to various courses and who can hit the ground running, plus you've (hopefully) proved you can handle teaching and writing at the same time.
Posted by: your favorite VAP | Jan 27, 2013 12:19:06 PM
Has anyone heard from Duke yet?
Posted by: 123456 | Jan 27, 2013 7:36:41 PM
@anon 10:35:19 AM--I too have heard anecdotally that even VAPs at T20 schools have struck out thus far in this hiring market. I'd be very curious to know about placement statistics--what percent of of people doing a VAP actually get a job and where. Bigelow has the stones to put up their stats for obvious reasons. Columbia too. I think I've seen Cornell and Duke list past fellows. NYU lists the past lawyering profs but not where they are now so you have to do a little googling. Curiously, Northwestern used to put up its stats, but doesn't have them this year, leaving one to speculate that they aren't batting 100% of late.
Any other sources out there for calculating risk and success rates of placement?
Posted by: anon | Jan 29, 2013 9:06:17 AM
@ 9:06:17 am - it's hard to say how much of a candidate's success is due specifically to the VAP. Also, I'm not sure all of these lists are complete in any case.
Posted by: canon | Jan 29, 2013 11:04:11 AM
And of course there's this to consider: http://leiterlawschool.typepad.com/leiter/2013/01/law-school-applications-likely-to-hit-an-all-time-low-for-the-last-30-years.html
Posted by: pleepleus | Jan 29, 2013 11:52:03 AM
@anon, if you get offers from places, you can then ask them to share the success rate of previous fellows/vaps with specificity. if you're deciding between/among 2 or more, people on this board and at your alma mater can help.
Posted by: vapstar | Jan 29, 2013 12:02:12 PM
Any advice for a phone interview next week?
Posted by: Anon | Jan 30, 2013 3:13:23 PM
Anon @ 3:13: My experience has been that they go by very fast. Just be prepared to talk about your resume, past publications, research and teaching agenda. If you don't mind sharing, where is the phone interview?
Posted by: Anon12345 | Jan 30, 2013 3:29:06 PM
Have those who applied to Temple received confirmation that their applications were received?
Posted by: anon | Jan 31, 2013 8:29:56 PM
Rejection my mail from GW.
Posted by: anon | Jan 31, 2013 8:52:48 PM
anon- is the GW rejection email or post?
Posted by: curioustoo | Jan 31, 2013 10:34:22 PM
GW per email.
Posted by: anon | Feb 1, 2013 3:24:33 AM
Email rejections were also issued for the Columbia CRR Fellowship and the Harvard Petrie-Flom Fellowship.
Posted by: FARout | Feb 1, 2013 10:38:09 AM
If you didn't get an interview call but didn't get an email, does that mean you're on the dreaded hold list?
Posted by: Huh | Feb 1, 2013 10:41:33 AM
I didn't receive confirmation from Temple. I should email them.
Posted by: pedrera | Feb 1, 2013 10:55:29 AM
What is the dreaded hold list?
Posted by: pedrera | Feb 1, 2013 10:56:24 AM
pedrera -- schools like to keep a handful of people in limbo so that they can dip into that pool if too many offerees turn them down. But it's almost never the case that too many people turn them down, so in reality, the hold list is just a rejection that you don't hear about for a couple of months.
Posted by: Huh | Feb 1, 2013 11:07:21 AM
Another rejection by mail from GW
Posted by: anon | Feb 1, 2013 12:22:39 PM
Do those who get fellowships this year think they'll be able to get a teaching job in 2 years? Things seem pretty grim out there. Has anyone talked to law school administrators/professors about the state of the tenure track job market going forward?
Posted by: curious | Feb 1, 2013 12:58:32 PM
@ curious -- my profs generally have a negative outlook for the TT market over the next few years.
Posted by: canon | Feb 1, 2013 1:04:32 PM
Consider the pattern in this one example: U Illinois hired 5 tenure-track people in 2010, 4 in 2011, only 1 in 2012. I'm guessing this year will be like last year? http://www.law.illinois.edu/faculty/recent-faculty-hires
Posted by: Anon | Feb 1, 2013 1:13:31 PM
Schools are also hiring a lot of laterals to fill entry level spots. Look at the other thread. There's lots of examples of schools that said they were hiring multiple lines and ended up hiring some/mostly laterals. (BC and Richmond come to mind.)
Posted by: Anecdata | Feb 1, 2013 1:22:08 PM
The only hire at Illinois last year was a lateral.
Posted by: Anon | Feb 1, 2013 1:36:17 PM
So the email that Cornell just sent out says they received over 100 applications for a single VAP position. That is....discouraging. For those of you getting dinged by GW, did you have an interview?
Posted by: wanna_be_vap | Feb 1, 2013 2:09:42 PM
Were the GW emails personalized? Mass email from Cornell.
Posted by: canon | Feb 1, 2013 2:10:48 PM
Yuck. Given this and the report on Georgetown makes me think that there are probably 150 people on the market for maybe half that many VAPs/fellowships.
Posted by: Ugh | Feb 1, 2013 2:17:27 PM
Well, at least the Cornell person knew how to use BCC! I'm guessing there was a lot of overlap with the Georgetown applicants.
Posted by: Anon | Feb 1, 2013 2:20:48 PM
What did the Cornell email say?
Posted by: anon | Feb 1, 2013 2:32:56 PM
So we're now estimating that there are only two VAP/fellowship applicants for every one position? Those are a lot better odds than I would have anticipated.
Posted by: 50 percenter | Feb 1, 2013 2:38:12 PM
I'm a current VAP. Things are not good.
Many institutions, including mine, are discontinuing their VAP and fellowship hiring, whether VAP programs or on a podium basis. This is both for financial reasons and because many VAPs/fellows are not getting TT offers this year.
I have not spoken to anyone who thinks the TT market will pick up in the foreseeable future. The reality is there are a lot of people with extremely good qualifications who are clamoring to get into or stay in legal academia at a time when enrollments, faculties, and budgets are shrinking. This will be remembered as the year that legal academia became, in terms of the *difficulty* of getting hired, much like "regular" academia.
In principle, the next stage would be for *pay* of new hires to drop, and thus to begin to resemble that of "regular" academia -- existing faculty are of course far more expensive, but are a fixed cost due to tenure protections -- but as we saw in law practice during the recession no one wants to cut salaries first for reputational reasons. As far as I can tell, the current solution, industry-wide, appears to be buyouts of senior people plus refraining from hiring, asking your current people to teach more, and cutting all kinds of discretionary things. (And if you're recoiling at the notion of higher ed being an "industry," look up university financials online.)
But cutting out free coffee and $100-150K entry-level hires is not going to get schools in the black. If applications continue dropping for the next few years as they have been for the past few, all bets are off, including for existing, tenured folks. It's demand destruction out there and schools could get aggressive about various provisions in tenure contracts, like post-tenure review, if their survival were on the line. Even if they're not temperamentally inclined to start firing people, their parent institutions may force them to.
So, yes, even if you get a solid VAP or fellowship, I think this is the time to decide if you really, really want to do this. If yes, go for it. If you're on the fence, keep thinking about it until the answer is clear one way or the other. But I wouldn't use the VAP/fellowship as an opportunity to "feel out the academic thing." Too costly. Best of luck.
Posted by: CurrentVAP | Feb 1, 2013 2:38:58 PM
I think everyone expects next year's market to be bad. Perhaps very, very bad. The advice I've gotten is that I'm close and so I'm going to stick it out if I can find a second VAP. Hopefully I'll find a job in my niche.
But I doubt I'll get a job filling general needs. For one, schools (e.g., Hofstra) are going to get their tenured faculty to teach more first year classes. For two, I wasn't the EIC of the Yale/Harvard/Stanford Law Journal and didn't clerk for the Supreme Court or one of the feeder judges, but lots of people did and are on the market. For three, I'm doing a VAP, but not one of the premier VAPs (but lots did and are on the market). For four, I have two publications but they aren't top20.
But a niche job? Teaching in my specialty area that most others don't handle and don't want to learn about? Maybe. If I didn't have a niche area, I'd likely give up.
Posted by: hope they're right | Feb 1, 2013 2:42:46 PM
wow - is this a law blog or an English hiring thread?
Posted by: curioustoo | Feb 1, 2013 2:56:50 PM
I'm similarly situated to "hope they're right," fully endorse what s/he says, and am likewise persisting. I didn't mean to throw cold water on anyone's dreams. But, time was, if you got a VAP or fellowship, there was a perception that you would get a TT job if you were nice, networked, published, got good evals, etc. No longer the case.
Posted by: CurrentVAP | Feb 1, 2013 2:57:50 PM
Could someone please post the Cornell mail? thx.
Posted by: Anon | Feb 1, 2013 3:36:53 PM
has anybody received any rejections/acceptances from the Columbia Associate in Law program?
Posted by: curioustoo | Feb 1, 2013 3:44:28 PM
Check Jan. 7 comments on Pg. 1 of this thread: http://prawfsblawg.blogs.com/prawfsblawg/2013/01/vaps-and-fellowships-open-thread-2012-2013/comments/page/1/#comments
At least one person has received a rejection; I also recall folks saying the Associates-in-Law Program was interviewing. That said, I applied, and have received neither rejection nor interview.
Posted by: 50 percenter | Feb 1, 2013 4:05:25 PM
My Cornell email just said that they created a formal file for me, and included the other info already noted, such as over 100 applications, etc. It's not clear if this means there was already a round of cuts, or whether this is just a confirmation of receipt. It looks like the latter, especially given the small amount of time since the deadline, but I can't be certain.
Posted by: canon | Feb 1, 2013 4:47:16 PM
If there are people who applied to Cornell but didn't get that email (and it sounds like it from some of the questions on this thread), then there may well have already been a preliminary selection. Those (who posted the questions and others in the same boat) can confirm their status, whether they applied and didn't receive the email.
Posted by: anon | Feb 2, 2013 10:47:17 AM
The situation doesn't seem to me as dire as many are making it out to be. Current professors will age out of their jobs, and even if the HYS Law Review EICs and former Supreme Court/top appellate clerks take their places as doctrinal faculty, there will still be a need for professors who can teach clinics and other "practical skill"-oriented courses. The elite candidates mentioned above rarely have the right experience for the latter types of positions. Even after all of this shakes out, I have a feeling legal academia will still be a viable job path for those who could have reasonably expected to land a position in the first place. Yes, it's likely fewer profs will get tenure, so we'll just have to make sure we continue to do our jobs well... like everyone else.
Posted by: Anonyme | Feb 2, 2013 10:57:54 AM
Columbia Academic Fellows Program's application period just ended yesterday. Does anyone know when decisions are due? Does anyone know how many applicants usually apply each year for this fellowship?
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Posted by: IlLaw | Feb 3, 2013 3:12:09 AM
@anon: I received the Cornell email. I would guess that, if they have over one hundred applications to consider,they have not made any initial cuts.
Posted by: pedrera | Feb 3, 2013 10:40:20 AM
Generic rejection letter by postal mail from GW.
Posted by: Anon1 | Feb 3, 2013 4:24:24 PM
received the generic rejection letter by post from GW today.
Posted by: curioustoo | Feb 4, 2013 6:12:26 PM
Ditto GW. Also Chicago-Kent isn't hiring a VAP this cycle.
On the plus side, I had a nice conversation with a head hunter today about moving back to practice!
Posted by: Depressed postal recipient | Feb 4, 2013 7:28:36 PM
That must be a recent development because the two previous correspondences I had with Chicago-Kent were: thanks for your application; and good luck but we require three-years experience for our VAPs.
Posted by: Anon1 | Feb 4, 2013 9:19:53 PM
Kent was extremely quick. They dinged me within a couple of weeks and explained why. I like that (well, the explanation part). I wish the 16 other schools would do the same...
Posted by: Anon | Feb 7, 2013 1:03:04 PM
Anyone have any idea what's going on with the Climenkos? Have they all been selected?
Posted by: Nona | Feb 7, 2013 4:28:09 PM
has anybody heard from Penn or Columbia?
Posted by: curioustoo | Feb 8, 2013 12:37:37 AM
Haven't heard anything the Climenko, Penn or Columbia. I think I saw somewhere that Georgetown has scheduled interviews - can anyone confirm?
Posted by: curious | Feb 8, 2013 1:50:32 PM
I give up. I haven't heard from most of the schools and received two dings so far. I go with my second plan. If something comes through, good, but I don't plan with it anymore.
Posted by: Anon | Feb 10, 2013 5:37:44 PM
I suspect that most of us are in that boat, Anon. Radio silence except for a rejection or two (GW and ___?).
Posted by: Anon1 | Feb 10, 2013 5:39:58 PM
An insider tells me that this year is a really hard year to get a VAP. I believe it.
Posted by: anon | Feb 10, 2013 6:01:41 PM
Of course it is. AALS hiring is way down. Plenty of vaps didn't get jobs this year and will be competing for another vaps. Other places have no funding. Its going to be a brutal few years.
Posted by: anon | Feb 10, 2013 6:26:29 PM
Has anyone heard back from BU or Brooklyn yet?
Posted by: anon | Feb 11, 2013 5:49:04 PM
I got an acknowledgment from Brooklyn when I sent in my application, but nothing more directly.
Indirectly, I've heard that they are not bringing back all of their current VAPs and suggestions that they might be inclined to hire less people than they have in the past. In other words, they may not actually be hiring anyone as a VAP this year.
Posted by: Vapstar | Feb 11, 2013 10:15:40 PM
I can't believe you stole my moniker
Posted by: vapstar | Feb 11, 2013 10:30:13 PM
any word from Temple?
Posted by: anon | Feb 11, 2013 10:46:55 PM
@Nona, Climenko hiring last year didn't wrap up until early March. I think every year some applicants are also on the TT market, so people may sit on offers until they see how TT prospects shake out. I know interviews continued into January this year but I don't know whether they're done.
Posted by: bunhead | Feb 12, 2013 12:49:20 AM
