Thursday, January 31, 2013
Law School Hiring, 2012-2013, Thread Two
[Originally published 10/14/12; bumped 11/13/12; final bump, 1/31/13.]
We invite those on the market to leave comments on this thread regarding whether they have received:
(a) a callback from a law school and/or accepted it; or
(b) an offer from a law school and/or accepted it; feel free to also leave details about the offer, including teaching load, research leave, etc. A school listed as "offer accepted" may have made more than one offer and may still have some slots open.
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5. This year's first hiring thread is here. Comments on that thread are now closed.
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Someone said they were on hold at Colorado? Can anyone confirm that callbacks have been issued?
Posted by: anon | Oct 19, 2012 3:20:25 PM
Anyone heard from W&L, BC, or Texas?
Posted by: Anon | Oct 19, 2012 3:27:52 PM
ding Depaul. I'm so sad.
Posted by: SadAnon | Oct 19, 2012 3:58:15 PM
Has anyone heard from / about Fordham?
Posted by: Mahdrof | Oct 19, 2012 4:05:03 PM
any word from GW? American?
Posted by: anon | Oct 19, 2012 4:07:21 PM
what about W & L, beyond the transnational law offer?
Posted by: anon | Oct 19, 2012 4:08:45 PM
Anyone hear anything from U-Hawai'i for the crim position?
Posted by: Hi-anon | Oct 19, 2012 4:13:52 PM
American was still Skyping until at least a couple days ago.
Posted by: Anon | Oct 19, 2012 4:18:08 PM
nothing from Hawaii on my end. Also crim law interview.
Posted by: anon | Oct 19, 2012 4:28:55 PM
On hold at Temple, Colorado, and Tennessee. No other news yet.
Posted by: farnonymous | Oct 19, 2012 4:40:43 PM
From what I understand, NYU rarely hires entry-level but once in a while they do. For that reason, they interview at the hiring conference for doctrinal as well as lawyering folk.
Posted by: nibblesnotbites | Oct 19, 2012 6:09:08 PM
Maryland and Ohio State have made calls.
Posted by: anon | Oct 19, 2012 6:18:40 PM
For what subject areas did Maryland and Ohio State make calls?
Posted by: anotheranon | Oct 19, 2012 6:31:10 PM
Has anyone heard from Texas Tech?
Posted by: anon | Oct 19, 2012 8:49:09 PM
ding Nova Southeastern
Posted by: SadAnon | Oct 19, 2012 9:18:00 PM
ding from Southwestern ... radio silence from everyone else (15+ schools)
Posted by: Axel | Oct 19, 2012 11:00:59 PM
Axel, did you get a ding, saying that they are no longer pursuing your candidacy? A friend of mine got a letter from Southwestern that was not a ding, or a hold, but to state that Southwestern would be in touch within the next 2 months as they assessed needs.
Posted by: Ana Espinosa | Oct 20, 2012 12:00:36 AM
farnonymous, what's your subject area?
Posted by: Anon | Oct 20, 2012 12:10:47 AM
Have not heard from Texas Tech. Anyone hear from Suffolk?
Posted by: anon | Oct 20, 2012 7:24:36 AM
Haven't heard a thing from Suffolk (and they initially had said they'd move quickly).
Posted by: nutmegger | Oct 20, 2012 10:00:18 AM
ding Southwestern by email
Posted by: not Axel | Oct 20, 2012 10:05:14 AM
I also got the unusual hold email from Southwestern. Can't tell from it if other folks got callbacks already, or if everyone is on hold or dinged? Anyone have a southwestern callback?
Posted by: southwestern confusion | Oct 20, 2012 10:06:34 AM
Has anyone heard from Harvard either way?
Posted by: Anon | Oct 20, 2012 10:39:49 AM
Ana Espinosa, it was as ding-y as it gets: "the Committee has chosen other applicants whose backgrounds more closely meet our needs." Definitely not a hold letter.
Posted by: Axel | Oct 20, 2012 11:48:09 AM
Has anybody had word from (or intel on the hiring plans of) Penn, Texas, George Washington, or Emory?
Posted by: Anon | Oct 20, 2012 2:04:30 PM
Maryland has made some calls, and so has Cincinnati and Ohio State
Posted by: anon | Oct 20, 2012 5:07:50 PM
I can confirm that callbacks have been issued at Colorado
Posted by: anon | Oct 20, 2012 5:09:25 PM
@ anon | Oct 20, 2012 5:09:25 PM
Do you know if they were issued for their clinical position?
Posted by: anon | Oct 20, 2012 5:16:45 PM
Posted by: anon | Oct 20, 2012 5:54:58 PM
Yes, I do. But, perhaps it is wrong to say that they are not hiring. Maybe more accurate is that there is almost zero chance that they are going to hire. However, rumors do get blown out of proportion. Maybe they are going to hire lots of people. Time will tell.
Posted by: on the market (again) | Oct 20, 2012 6:01:31 PM
Anon @5:54, did the Suffolk ding come today by email?
Posted by: anon | Oct 20, 2012 6:22:54 PM
Anon @5:54: Yes.
Posted by: anon | Oct 20, 2012 6:35:34 PM
Thanks. I'm sure it's annoying to answer follow-up questions about a ding & I appreciate your responding.
Posted by: anon | Oct 20, 2012 6:43:15 PM
Anon @5:54: No problem. Sad, but it wasn't among my strongest interviews. Letting the universe be my guide. Good luck.
Posted by: anon | Oct 20, 2012 6:55:47 PM
Extremely classy (and I mean that) and detailed quasi-ding by email from Richmond. Based on the email I think I may be on the B group if they have one based on their needs. Made me feel warm and tingly inside. I wish all schools were this nice. Still waiting to hear from some other schools that appear to have dinged other candidates from what I see on this message board. Good luck to all and stay positive.
Posted by: newanon | Oct 20, 2012 7:12:26 PM
The NYU rumor is false.
Posted by: Anon | Oct 20, 2012 7:55:26 PM
Richmond sure is nice.
Posted by: Anon | Oct 20, 2012 8:03:47 PM
Anon at 7:55 - does that mean they have made calls?
Posted by: Anon | Oct 21, 2012 6:34:36 AM
Callback interviews with Tennessee and Memphis. Very nice rejection email from Kansas. Hold at California Western.
Posted by: ccart | Oct 21, 2012 12:33:16 PM
ccart - what subject areas at Tennessee?
Posted by: beenthere | Oct 21, 2012 10:55:01 PM
Has anyone heard back from Wyoming?
Posted by: TaxPrawf | Oct 22, 2012 9:16:33 AM
Posted by: anon anon | Oct 22, 2012 10:31:53 AM
Can anyone confirm Duke has called?
Posted by: Anon | Oct 22, 2012 11:05:58 AM
has anyone heard from cincinnati?
Posted by: anon | Oct 22, 2012 11:08:53 AM
Posted by: anon | Oct 22, 2012 11:10:15 AM
For those who got calls from Seattle, can you tell me/us what area? I know they were looking at several needs and I'd like to hold out hope that they called the, say, torts people and not the commercial law people like myself. But, disappoint me if you must!
Posted by: on the market (again) | Oct 22, 2012 11:23:57 AM
My Seattle call back is for torts, FWIW.
Posted by: Awesome | Oct 22, 2012 11:32:26 AM
I'm wondering if anyone has heard from Vanderbilt?
Posted by: Anon | Oct 22, 2012 11:42:38 AM
My sources tell me that Seattle has made all the calls it's going to make for the moment. If you haven't gotten a call and you don't get a ding in the next week or so, then you're on the B list.
Posted by: FARout | Oct 22, 2012 11:57:25 AM
Has anyone heard from or about University of South Carolina or University of Oklahoma?
Posted by: anon | Oct 22, 2012 11:59:17 AM
There seem to be a number of top 50 schools outstanding: Georgetown, Wisconsin, Vanderbilt, Emory,and Penn.
Posted by: Ana Espinosa | Oct 22, 2012 12:01:30 PM
Ana Espinosa, yes there are a lot of them that have not made calls. Add to that list Harvard, Yale, George Washington, Berkeley, NYU, Columbia, Chicago and Texas... I am betting these will all make their calls this week.
Posted by: Anon | Oct 22, 2012 12:14:13 PM
Everyone is on pins and needles. Who will these schools call back?
Posted by: Ana Espinosa | Oct 22, 2012 12:22:20 PM
Posted by: Anon | Oct 22, 2012 12:22:58 PM
Two of the schools that Anon at 12:14 listed have, indeed, made calls.
Posted by: Anon | Oct 22, 2012 12:24:51 PM
i don't think UCLA has called yet either? Or Stanford? Or have I missed something?
Posted by: anon | Oct 22, 2012 12:25:32 PM
Anon @ 12:24, could you please share which two of the listed schools has made calls?
Posted by: anon | Oct 22, 2012 12:34:12 PM
Colorado. Fresh intel that the clinical serach sub-committee will make decisions on callbacks over the next few weeks.
Posted by: anon | Oct 22, 2012 12:36:30 PM
Ding Texas Tech - environmental (possible B list).
Posted by: anon | Oct 22, 2012 12:39:10 PM
For those of us who didn't interview with T14 schools, I think there are similarly a number of schools that haven't yet been reported here. Any news on West Virginia, for example?
Posted by: FARout | Oct 22, 2012 12:44:50 PM
As far as I can tell, OU has not made any post-AALS callbacks.
Posted by: ado annie | Oct 22, 2012 1:50:50 PM
Confirming Cincinnati has made calls
Posted by: anon | Oct 22, 2012 2:34:31 PM
Any word from UConn?
Posted by: anon | Oct 22, 2012 3:12:57 PM
How can you people justify teaching at a non-T14 school? You are charging outrageous tuition only to leave starry-eyed kids with no jobs. It's fraudulent and immoral. Wake up and look at the job statistics!
Posted by: skeptic | Oct 22, 2012 4:09:34 PM
Before the storm errupts here in response to skeptic's comment, I'm going to request that we please keep this thread limited to relevant announcements of callbacks and offers. That comment is controversial, I'll grant you, and many people will want to weigh in, but can you please start a separate thread to do so?
Posted by: anon | Oct 22, 2012 4:19:29 PM
Yes, decorum is important amongst thieves.
Posted by: skeptic | Oct 22, 2012 4:28:22 PM
Temple ding via snail mail
Posted by: FARout | Oct 22, 2012 4:47:57 PM
On hold at Northern Illinois via e-mail.
Posted by: farnonymous | Oct 22, 2012 5:04:48 PM
BC has extended invitations to 3 candidates in contracts and related fields. Clinical hiring is also proceeding on a separate track.
Posted by: BDG | Oct 22, 2012 6:05:04 PM
Anyone heard anything about S.Dakota, Wyoming, or Nebraska? Or is it all quite on the midwestern front for them?
Posted by: anon | Oct 22, 2012 7:09:34 PM
Email ding from Baltimore (which sounded very professional).
Posted by: BlindLuck | Oct 22, 2012 8:27:57 PM
A really bitchy ding letter from Temple - "we have decided that further pursuit of your candidacy will not be productive at this time"
Posted by: G Ice | Oct 22, 2012 10:56:16 PM
ding from UNC
Posted by: Like a G-6 | Oct 22, 2012 11:12:15 PM
Email ding from Baltimore. Knew it was coming, but it was very professional.
Posted by: Ana Espinosa | Oct 23, 2012 1:24:10 AM
Florida State? Anyone heard from Fla State?
Posted by: on the market (again) | Oct 23, 2012 8:41:39 AM
Posted by: anon | Oct 23, 2012 8:52:37 AM
G Ice, why is that bitchy? Other than the fact of the ding, which never feels good, it just looks pretty straightforward and honest. If only all the schools were that direct.
Posted by: Anon | Oct 23, 2012 8:55:37 AM
Florida State - Ding 10/19
Kansas - Ding 10/18
Mercer Callback 10/14
Temple Callback 10/13
Posted by: Hopeful | Oct 23, 2012 9:46:30 AM
ding from Maine via email
Posted by: anon | Oct 23, 2012 9:49:00 AM
If schools have been reported as both making callbacks and dings, and I have heard only silence, does that mean team B?
Posted by: team B | Oct 23, 2012 9:53:30 AM
Posted by: anon | Oct 23, 2012 10:12:52 AM
What does it mean if you get a "hold"? One school (already named above) contacted me to say they've invited others to callbacks and will let me know "if my status changes." I assume that's a hold. But practically, is there any way to know how big of a chance I have of getting a callback?
Posted by: nony | Oct 23, 2012 10:45:45 AM
@Nony: yes, that's a hold. No way to know your chances, but if my experience last year is any indication, I wouldn't hold my breath. You should, however, keep them posted on any offers you get (at least if you'd prefer the school that placed you in the "hold" box over the one that has given you an offer).
Posted by: stressedout | Oct 23, 2012 10:53:18 AM
Re: Chances off of the hold list.
I'd just add that the experience of prior years -- a "hold" is just a slow motion rejection -- may not be as true this year. The word on the street is that schools are being very judicious with callbacks, sometimes only calling the top candidate, with the expectation that they'll call someone else only if necessary (i.e., the top candidate rejects them, or vice versa). Obviously, given that the top candidates will tend to have multiple callbacks, you can see where this is going.
That said, if you are near the top of the hold list at one of these schools, I'd expect that the school would probably tell you that. (I got this type of call last week from a school already posted on here as sending hold list emails -- they're only calling back one person so I'm on the hold list, but I'm at or near the top of it, so they'll let me know in a month or so if the first person doesn't work out.)
Posted by: Anon good nurse | Oct 23, 2012 11:07:05 AM
What do I make of the fact that I've had radio silence from most of my AALS interviews, and, judging by these posts, so has everyone else? Does that mean they are still deliberating on the first round, or that they are deciding whether to issue callbacks at all? Or that their first-round picks just didn't post here?
Posted by: still waiting | Oct 23, 2012 11:21:15 AM
I'd like to think it's the first possibility, but I think it's probably more likely to be the last one, with the added wrinkle that fewer callbacks per spots means less of a chance that the called back person is posting on here.
Posted by: Anon good nurse | Oct 23, 2012 11:24:43 AM
@ "all quiet on the midwestern front" commentor - No word from Wyoming yet either. I have a callback interview with another Rocky Mountain school, but not a word from Wyo.
Posted by: anon | Oct 23, 2012 11:30:54 AM
ASU has begun issuing both callbacks and dings.
Posted by: anon | Oct 23, 2012 11:32:42 AM
callback from NCCU.
Separately, heard through the grapevine that South Texas made all the calls it was going to make (for round 1).
Posted by: on the market (again) | Oct 23, 2012 1:50:00 PM
Dear wiser people than me: any idea what it means if a school starts calling your references after a callback? Is that part of what they would do for everyone they call back, or is it likely a prelude to an offer?
Posted by: anon | Oct 23, 2012 2:28:54 PM
@ 2:28:54 - I was just informed from the Dean at a school that offered me a callback that my references would be contacted at this point. However, they are flying others out as well. So I think it might be par for the course that callback = reference calls.
Posted by: anon | Oct 23, 2012 2:37:56 PM
We bring back 2-4 candidates per opening. After they have all interviewed, we then schedule a vote. Prior to the vote, we call references on everyone in that pool. It's just more information for the faculty to have at its fingertips when it decides who to give the offer to.
Posted by: AnonLawProf | Oct 23, 2012 2:57:33 PM
@2:28 - last year it was NOT a prelude to an offer for me, hence I'm on the market again. Some schools vote up or down on multiple candidates and then vote on what order to extend offers...
Posted by: on the market (again) | Oct 23, 2012 2:57:52 PM
What is going on with GW?
Posted by: GeorgeAndMartha | Oct 23, 2012 3:32:52 PM
Has anyone heard anything from Loyola-Chicago?
Posted by: Chi-town | Oct 23, 2012 4:14:54 PM
re contacting references -- standard practice across the board. Some schools called mine even before the meat market conference.
Posted by: FARout | Oct 23, 2012 6:13:40 PM
For those of you who got callbacks at Cincinnati, Fordham, or Wake Forest, what are your subject areas?
Posted by: anon | Oct 23, 2012 6:36:42 PM
Loyola-Chicago has started issuing callbacks.
Posted by: anon | Oct 23, 2012 8:20:12 PM
Same question re: W&M and BU - Any idea what subject areas were called?
Posted by: anon | Oct 23, 2012 9:16:24 PM
And, same question on subject area for Ohio State
Posted by: John | Oct 23, 2012 10:18:11 PM
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