Thursday, January 31, 2013
Law School Hiring, 2012-2013, Thread Two
[Originally published 10/14/12; bumped 11/13/12; final bump, 1/31/13.]
We invite those on the market to leave comments on this thread regarding whether they have received:
(a) a callback from a law school and/or accepted it; or
(b) an offer from a law school and/or accepted it; feel free to also leave details about the offer, including teaching load, research leave, etc. A school listed as "offer accepted" may have made more than one offer and may still have some slots open.
Five miscellaneous things:
1. If you don't want your contact information displayed, enter email@example.com or something like that as an email address.
2. There is a separate thread, "A Clearinghouse for Questions," for general questions or comments about the teaching market. Please do not use the thread below for general questions or comments. (Such comments will be deleted, not out of hostility or in a judgy way, just to keep this thread focused.)
4. All information should come in through the comments. Our aggregator will use a spreadsheet to aggregate the information. Only the aggregator will be able to edit the spreadsheet, but when the aggregator edits the spreadsheet, those changes will be reflected in the embedded, downloadable version below. Please be patient with the aggregator, who will try to update this spreadsheet once a day, but may have a job, and perhaps may even be on the market. [As of 1/31/13, this thread is no longer being aggregated.]
5. This year's first hiring thread is here. Comments on that thread are now closed.
Here is the spreadsheet, which is downloadable.
Update: Here is a link to the last page of comments.
Update: As of 2/27/13, comments on this thread are closed. If you have information about entry level hires, please post that information in the comments to the entry level hiring data collection post.
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Callback from Tulsa this morning. Criminal law. Accepted it.
Posted by: crimprof | Oct 14, 2012 8:48:22 PM
Washington & Lee made an offer for its position in "transnational law" before the AALS. (It hasn't, to my knowledge, been accepted yet.)
Posted by: anon | Oct 14, 2012 9:29:55 PM
I can confirm that Tennessee has extended at least some invites.
Posted by: Anon | Oct 14, 2012 10:19:45 PM
Mercer callback, health law. Accepted.
Posted by: FARout | Oct 14, 2012 10:34:31 PM
Callback from Denver for IBT - intend to accept; callback from Whitier
Posted by: Prof2be? | Oct 15, 2012 12:06:02 AM
Temple extended callbacks while still in DC. Loyola LA has extended callbacks.
Posted by: reporter | Oct 15, 2012 10:35:35 AM
From the other thread, Brooklyn, NYLS, Stetson.
Posted by: nibblesnotbites | Oct 15, 2012 10:37:04 AM
reporter - Do you know if Temple extended *all* of its callbacks? Or perhaps in what area? They're hiring for multiple slots. Thanks.
Posted by: FARout | Oct 15, 2012 11:26:47 AM
For Tennessee would u mind sharing if the area is civ pro?
Posted by: Anon | Oct 15, 2012 11:35:27 AM
For Tennessee would u mind sharing if the area is civ pro?
Posted by: Anon | Oct 15, 2012 11:35:27 AM
Tennessee has not issued callbacks for Civ Pro, only for legal writing, commercial and advocacy.
Posted by: anon | Oct 15, 2012 11:40:07 AM
Anyone know if Tulsa has offered callbacks for all areas or just crim?
Posted by: anon | Oct 15, 2012 12:03:24 PM
For the new york schools, any info on what areas the callbacks were for?
Posted by: yetanotheranon | Oct 15, 2012 12:54:07 PM
Callback from Illinois, corporate
Posted by: CorpReport | Oct 15, 2012 4:07:47 PM
callback from missouri
Posted by: mr. mizzou | Oct 15, 2012 4:18:58 PM
Posted by: nibblesnotbites | Oct 15, 2012 4:35:46 PM
Mr. Mizzou: what is your subject area?
Posted by: Anon | Oct 15, 2012 4:46:34 PM
Callback from Montana
Posted by: Anon | Oct 15, 2012 9:49:17 PM
the woman who told me she had a NYLS callback was also interviewing with U. Chicago and seemed to be a "best athlete" type. Not sure what her specific area is though.
Posted by: on the market (again) | Oct 15, 2012 11:57:24 PM
Nibblesnotbites, what do you mean "from the other thread"? Are these callbacks or aals interviews?
Posted by: curious | Oct 16, 2012 8:35:35 AM
curious: nibblesnotbites was moving reports of callbacks from the "Clearinghouse" thread, where they were being reported before this thread was created.
Posted by: pleepleus | Oct 16, 2012 8:46:17 AM
Anon | Oct 15, 2012 9:49:17 PM - re Montana, what is your subject area?
Posted by: anon | Oct 16, 2012 10:17:45 AM
TJSL for Civ Pro.
I believe Montana was only hiring in Environmental? Also, @FARout, I don't think one can say that any school has issued "all" its call backs until much later--in my experience scheduling (and cancelations by candidates) happen on a rolling basis. There are a lot of factors at play--more than in scheduling the AALS interviews.
Posted by: Awesome | Oct 16, 2012 11:09:02 AM
Callbacks at SUNY Buffalo, UC-Hastings & Hofstra. Not sure about subject areas.
Posted by: anon | Oct 16, 2012 11:09:52 AM
anon @ 11:09am - Can you give us a clue as to your specialties? Hofstra, for example, is hiring for two spots: (1) crim, and (2) regulatory systems, including admin and maybe environmental law or something else that heavily relies on regulation. In which camp do you fall? Thanks.
Posted by: FARout | Oct 16, 2012 11:19:01 AM
barry made a callback
Posted by: barrette | Oct 16, 2012 11:27:03 AM
Montana callback (tax)
Posted by: Anon | Oct 16, 2012 12:13:05 PM
Any clinical callbacks?
Posted by: Newbie | Oct 16, 2012 2:41:34 PM
University of Houston, environmental and crim.
Posted by: Anon | Oct 16, 2012 3:34:35 PM
Posted by: five little peppers and how they grew | Oct 16, 2012 7:29:51 PM
callbacks at the University of Washington and Wake Forest
Posted by: anon | Oct 16, 2012 7:56:59 PM
Posted by: Anonybody | Oct 16, 2012 7:57:39 PM
Callback from N. Illinois.
Posted by: Captain Jack | Oct 16, 2012 7:59:42 PM
Posted by: Anon | Oct 16, 2012 8:16:34 PM
Posted by: Anon | Oct 16, 2012 8:34:34 PM
Posted by: peachie | Oct 16, 2012 8:51:52 PM
Ding from Berkeley
Posted by: Anon | Oct 16, 2012 8:53:38 PM
Captain Jack, can I ask your field?
Posted by: Anonster | Oct 16, 2012 10:10:38 PM
Captain Jack or Anonybody, do you intend to accept the callback?
Posted by: Anon_Ind | Oct 16, 2012 10:32:38 PM
I think we can assume people accept their callbacks, unless they say they do not.
Posted by: Anon | Oct 16, 2012 11:44:51 PM
I created a new worksheet for "Callbacks," which is the aggregation page that now appears by default up above. The old data (AALS and other first-round interviews) is still available, untouched, as the worksheet "AALS." Let me know if this is unhelpful; my thinking is that this way, we will see ONLY those schools at which there's been some callback/ding/offer action, as opposed to the massive AALS list.
Posted by: l'aggregatore | Oct 17, 2012 11:57:43 AM
Denver has schedled a half dozen or so call-backs, in civ pro, IBT, and commercial law. I don't know if they intend to make any more.
Posted by: anon | Oct 17, 2012 12:14:37 PM
ding Notre Dame
Posted by: Anon | Oct 17, 2012 3:58:54 PM
Ding Penn State
Posted by: Anon | Oct 17, 2012 4:07:15 PM
Rejection Cal Western
Posted by: SadAnon | Oct 17, 2012 4:53:16 PM
What is the difference between "ding" and "rejection"?
Posted by: anon | Oct 17, 2012 5:12:50 PM
I suspect they're the same (ding and rejection). A third variation would be "hold," as in on the B team, but not rejected/dinged outright. They'll call you if their first string takes better offers elsewhere.
Posted by: anon | Oct 17, 2012 5:21:43 PM
"Ding" suggests a mild detached hipsterism and a bit of worldliness, a sense that the speaker has been here before and is taking said ding in stride. Otherwise there is no difference.
Posted by: anon | Oct 17, 2012 5:23:26 PM
Ding from Temple. The committee gods at two other schools gave me callbacks (already posted), so I'll take the mild detached hipsterism when I can.
Posted by: anon | Oct 17, 2012 5:35:45 PM
thanks for posting, all. was the temple ding via email?
Posted by: ryan lochte's one night stand | Oct 17, 2012 5:38:32 PM
Callback @ U Baltimore
Posted by: Manny Machado | Oct 17, 2012 8:07:43 PM
I say we create our own law school and hire each other...
Posted by: frustrated | Oct 17, 2012 8:13:34 PM
Hold at Colorado and Cal Western
Posted by: Ana Espinosa | Oct 17, 2012 11:02:38 PM
Wait, what's a hold? And were those in response to follow-ups?
Posted by: Anon | Oct 17, 2012 11:31:43 PM
what subject at Baltimore?
Posted by: peachie | Oct 18, 2012 12:53:22 AM
callbacks- St Thomas (Miami) and Baltimore- both business
Posted by: newanon | Oct 18, 2012 10:08:21 AM
Any word from Seattle?
Posted by: anon | Oct 18, 2012 11:17:45 AM
Warm and gracious hold email from Mississippi (i.e. I am not in the first round of callbacks).
Posted by: mrs. not sippi | Oct 18, 2012 12:11:57 PM
callback from Seattle
Posted by: rainy day | Oct 18, 2012 12:13:09 PM
Very nice ding from Kansas.
Posted by: anon | Oct 18, 2012 2:50:38 PM
Was the Kansas ding by email or snail mail? Thx!
Posted by: anon | Oct 18, 2012 2:56:31 PM
When did you get the callback from Seattle?
Posted by: anon | Oct 18, 2012 3:17:37 PM
Any callbacks from South Carolina?
Posted by: wardman | Oct 18, 2012 3:51:37 PM
Ding by email from San Diego
Posted by: ding dong | Oct 18, 2012 3:54:50 PM
No word from South Carolina as pertains to this candidate yet...
Posted by: Anon | Oct 18, 2012 4:06:15 PM
Mrs. Not Sipi, is that Ole Miss? or Mississippi College?
Posted by: Ana Espinosa | Oct 18, 2012 4:06:59 PM
Ditto the questions about the Temple and Kansas dings... email? Snail mail? Thank you!
Posted by: FARout | Oct 18, 2012 4:07:13 PM
Posted by: mrs. not sippi | Oct 18, 2012 4:11:21 PM
On hold at San Diego. By email.
Posted by: anon | Oct 18, 2012 5:04:35 PM
What percent of callbacks, by school, do you suppose are being reported? Seems awfully light for a week after the conference.
Posted by: yetanotheranon | Oct 18, 2012 6:04:27 PM
yetanotheranon -- maybe the people with callbacks are too busy prepping for them to post on here.
(Personally, I've got nothing. One school emailed to say thanks, and they'll be in touch if they get funding for a position that would match up with what I do -- but it was the secretary who sent it, so I strongly suspect that they're sending it to everyone who interviewed. Total silence from everywhere else.)
Posted by: An explanation | Oct 18, 2012 6:10:10 PM
I've been told that schools are extending far fewer callbacks than in previous years. So, many candidates have no callbacks at this point because schools are calling only their A+ choices, whereas in previous years they would've invited the A and A- candidates as well. Obviously, this is creating rather large "B lists." But, on a certain level, it's understandable. Callbacks are expensive propositions.
This seems to have at least three notable implications. First, those candidates with callbacks have a potentially greater likelihood of landing the job. Second, candidates doing multiple callbacks at this point can only take one job, which means the process might extend into the new year for those of us on various B lists. Third, committees are more carefully evaluating who to call back, so the process of extending even the initial invites may be taking longer.
Posted by: FARout | Oct 18, 2012 7:03:40 PM
Posted by: Awesome | Oct 18, 2012 10:02:11 PM
Posted by: Anon | Oct 18, 2012 10:10:14 PM
Posted by: Anon | Oct 18, 2012 11:47:35 PM
I heard Duke has made some calls.
Posted by: Anon | Oct 19, 2012 6:58:20 AM
William & Mary
Posted by: Anon | Oct 19, 2012 7:24:47 AM
I heard Northwestern has made calls
Posted by: anon | Oct 19, 2012 8:04:40 AM
Has anyone heard either way on NYU?
Posted by: Anon | Oct 19, 2012 9:26:30 AM
Anon, what subject for William & Mary? And, was it entry level?
Posted by: WilliamMary | Oct 19, 2012 10:19:49 AM
anyone hear from UCLA?
Posted by: anon | Oct 19, 2012 10:48:35 AM
I interviewed with UCLA but have not heard either way.
Posted by: Anon | Oct 19, 2012 10:53:34 AM
W&M = entry level. Not sure about subject (it's not my callback).
Posted by: Anon | Oct 19, 2012 11:29:33 AM
Any word on Loyola Chicago? How about Connecticut?
Posted by: Candidate | Oct 19, 2012 11:48:15 AM
Can someone confirm Northwestern has called? And Kansas has sent dings (per this thread), but what about callbacks?
Posted by: anon | Oct 19, 2012 11:52:52 AM
I am surprised to the degree that this board overlaps with the information that I am getting from other back channels (friends, other intel). That is comforting. It gives me hope that schools that are not mentioned on this thread have not yet made calls.
Posted by: Ana Espinosa | Oct 19, 2012 12:03:27 PM
Florida Int'l has issued callbacks
Posted by: jessica rabbit | Oct 19, 2012 12:08:58 PM
Texas Southern (evidence)
Posted by: texanon | Oct 19, 2012 12:13:03 PM
any word from irvine? davis?
Posted by: anon | Oct 19, 2012 12:16:01 PM
Any word from ohio state?
Posted by: Anon | Oct 19, 2012 12:20:07 PM
How about Cincinnati? Western State?
Posted by: FARFromOver | Oct 19, 2012 12:29:00 PM
UNLV is scheduling job talks with laterals who applied for legal writing -- not sure if they've made callbacks yet for folks from AALS.
Posted by: Anon | Oct 19, 2012 12:36:57 PM
Also wondering if someone can confirm Duke. Thanks.
Posted by: Anon | Oct 19, 2012 1:24:53 PM
I can confirm that Northwestern has called.
Posted by: anon | Oct 19, 2012 1:51:30 PM
rumor has it that NYU is not hiring, other than for lawyering (despite interviewing people).
Posted by: on the market (again) | Oct 19, 2012 2:11:34 PM
Any word from Emory or Georgia?
Posted by: anon | Oct 19, 2012 2:19:45 PM
any word from maryland?
Posted by: John | Oct 19, 2012 2:43:38 PM
Can anyone confirm that NYU is not hiring, and if so, is it ok for them not to tell candidates that before taking one of their AALS slots?
Posted by: anon | Oct 19, 2012 2:50:41 PM
I interviewed with Emory, as did someone else I know, and neither of us has heard a peep.
Posted by: ATL | Oct 19, 2012 2:51:11 PM
Wow, you really think NYU would send professors to AALS even if they were not hiring? I interviewed with NYU and they said nothing about not hiring . . .
Posted by: Anon | Oct 19, 2012 3:03:39 PM
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