Monday, August 27, 2012
Law School Hiring, 2012-2013, Thread One
NB: Bounced to the front every ten days or so.
We invite those on the market to leave comments on this thread regarding whether they have received:
(a) a first round interview at a school (including the subject areas the school mentioned, if any, as being of particular interest, and whether the interview offer was accepted);
(b) a callback from a law school and/or accepted it; or
(c) an offer from a law school and/or accepted it; feel free to also leave details about the offer, including teaching load, research leave, etc. A school listed as "offer accepted" may have made more than one offer and may still have some slots open.
Law professors may also choose to provide information that is relevant to the entry-level or the lateral market.
Four miscellaneous things:
1. If you don't want your contact information displayed, enter firstname.lastname@example.org or something like that as an email address.
2. There is a separate thread, "A Clearinghouse for Questions," for general questions or comments about the teaching market. Please do not use the thread below for general questions or comments. (Such comments will be deleted, not out of hostility or in a judgy way, just to keep this thread focused.)
4. Finally, in each of the last four years, someone who is on the market has volunteered to aggregate the information on a spreadsheet. If you would like to volunteer, please contact me directly at slawsky *at* law *dot* uci *dot* edu, and I will get you set up.
We now have an aggregator, and we will thus continue our spreadsheet approach: All information should come in through the comments. Our aggregator will use a spreadsheet to aggregate the information. Only the aggregator will be able to edit the spreadsheet, but when the aggregator edits the spreadsheet, those changes will be reflected in the embedded, downloadable version below.
Here is the spreadsheet, which is downloadable.
Please be patient with the aggregator, who will try to update this spreadsheet once a day, but may have a job, and perhaps may even be on the market.
Update: Here is a link to the last page of comments.
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someone (not me) got a request for more info from Pepperdine today
Posted by: FARout | Aug 21, 2012 7:00:45 PM
Vandy has made some calls
Posted by: Good Samaritan | Aug 21, 2012 10:06:57 PM
Ditto on the Pepperdine request for more information.
Posted by: anon | Aug 22, 2012 8:25:19 AM
Also ditto Pepperdine. Anyone have a sense of how many people get that email?
Posted by: anotheranon | Aug 22, 2012 9:57:22 AM
I got that Pepperdine email too. Ha, I thought I was special!
Posted by: optimist | Aug 22, 2012 12:07:09 PM
Does anyone know the hiring chair at Vanderbilt?
Posted by: moreanon | Aug 22, 2012 1:04:24 PM
Additional info from Pepperdine.
Posted by: Anon | Aug 22, 2012 6:42:34 PM
Posted by: FARout | Aug 22, 2012 6:49:33 PM
Posted by: five little peppers and how they grew | Aug 22, 2012 6:51:10 PM
It would be helpful if, in listing schools, people would note their broad teaching/research area(s) (perhaps keyed to the school's list of areas on the other thread or in the bulletin). So, for Temple, for instance, Securities, Family Law, Health, etc.?
Posted by: anon | Aug 22, 2012 7:33:46 PM
The email from Temple doesn't specify, and the table does list 10 different things, so it's hard to say. None of those 10 things were in my FAR top 3 but several were in my slots 4-7.
Posted by: gwen stefani | Aug 22, 2012 7:53:32 PM
Temple areas that match my teaching preferences: health, civ pro, complex litigation, torts
Posted by: FARout | Aug 22, 2012 9:05:21 PM
FARout: pls wear a flower in your lapel so I can spot you in Philly.
Posted by: juniorminted | Aug 22, 2012 9:25:56 PM
This afternoon, I was invited to interview at AALS with Loyola Chicago for an "entry-level tenure track" position teaching criminal law. I accepted. I have been teaching crim law/crim pro for a few years at 4th tier schools, but am in the FAR looking to move up.
Posted by: crimprof | Aug 22, 2012 10:52:06 PM
AALS interview with UC Irvine; subject matter not specified
Posted by: Prof2b? | Aug 23, 2012 12:14:40 AM
crimprof - is yours a typicaly strategy? I guess the message is that you are willing to start over? [I am in a similar position].
Posted by: Tier4 | Aug 23, 2012 9:51:26 AM
Tier4 - No, I am not willing to start over at Assistant Prof. I made that clear to Loyola after they said "entry level". They then said rank would be commensurate with experience and was negotiable with the Dean. I have transferred laterally once before (from one 4th tier to another) at the associate professor rank and the new school honored my rank. The difficulty may be in negotiating over credit towards tenure and credit for your publications. If you lateral you may have to wait a bit longer than if you stay where you are.
Posted by: crimprof | Aug 23, 2012 11:07:40 AM
crimprof - when you lateraled previously, did you also go back into the FAR? How did you handle your search with your current school(s)?
Posted by: maybelateral | Aug 23, 2012 11:25:39 AM
maybelateral - Let's take this conversation private. You can e-mail me at email@example.com crimprof
Posted by: crimprof | Aug 24, 2012 11:04:09 AM
Got calls today to set up AALS interviews with Texas and Pittsburgh and email invitations from Loyola Chicago and Georgia State. I also got that email from Pepperdine. I imagine they use it as an early indicator of interest levels. My area is corporate law.
Posted by: CorpReport | Aug 24, 2012 9:58:16 PM
Also received the Pepperdine email.
Posted by: anon | Aug 25, 2012 3:10:56 PM
Requests for more information from UVA and UChicago.
Posted by: CorpReport | Aug 26, 2012 1:02:09 PM
@FARout and @gwen stefani: Was the Temple communication an invitation for an interview or a request for more information?
Posted by: el agregador | Aug 27, 2012 12:55:10 AM
@el agregador: Invitation for AALS or pre-AALS interview (choice left to me).
Posted by: gwen stefani | Aug 27, 2012 2:01:17 AM
el agregador - interview for AALS or pre-AALS if I could get to Philadelphia in advance of the FRC
gwen - is one of your subject areas health, family law, or business/securities?
Posted by: FARout | Aug 27, 2012 2:34:53 AM
For those of you who've had a "request for more information" from a school other than Pepperdine: what sort of information do they ask for, if you don't mind sharing? Copies of drafts?
Posted by: Anonanon | Aug 27, 2012 10:33:44 AM
@Anonanon: They have asked for (some combination of) a copy of the job talk paper, evaluations from courses taught, copies of law school / other grad school transcripts, and a research & teaching statement.
Posted by: CorpReport | Aug 27, 2012 10:41:57 AM
Thanks for the info, CorpReport. I'm a little disheartened that I'm not getting those requests.
11:42, I think some schools generally follow the first approach, and some the second. But I can't imagine any school has filled all its interview slots yet, so I wouldn't assume you're out of consideration anywhere.
Posted by: Anonanon | Aug 27, 2012 12:25:27 PM
CorpReport - Do you mean UT or South Texas when you say "Texas"? I assume the former, but I've heard the latter is hiring in your area and so thought it might be the latter.
Posted by: televised execution | Aug 27, 2012 12:35:23 PM
Anonanon- David Hoffman was nice enough to post updates on this board last year. Perhaps someone from Temple will do so again this year?
Posted by: on the market (again) | Aug 27, 2012 12:36:32 PM
ding from UC Hastings in response to a target packet
Posted by: FARout | Aug 27, 2012 12:57:29 PM
@televised execution: I meant UT (Austin)
Posted by: CorpReport | Aug 27, 2012 1:21:31 PM
Anonanon: Most schools don't do the "request for information" thing, so there's no problem in not getting them. (If you're upset because Virginia and Chicago are sending requests out, and you have your heart set on getting a job at either Virginia or Chicago, then you'd be well-served by a more flexible approach.)
Posted by: former hiring chair | Aug 27, 2012 1:40:09 PM
The request for more information that I received was for my job talk paper and research agenda.
Posted by: Aspiring | Aug 27, 2012 1:52:35 PM
AALS invitation from SUNY Buffalo.
Posted by: CorpReport | Aug 27, 2012 2:26:58 PM
AALS with Chicago, Irvine, and Virginia.
Posted by: sportanon | Aug 27, 2012 2:56:40 PM
Should I be worried that I haven't gotten any calls yet? Or is it still early?
Posted by: alternaprof | Aug 27, 2012 3:30:39 PM
sportanon--what are your subject areas?
Posted by: anon | Aug 27, 2012 3:48:17 PM
alternaprof - it's early.
Posted by: anonprof | Aug 27, 2012 3:52:09 PM
anon @ 348pm, it doesn't really matter what sportanon's areas are. S/he is a best of breed candidate. Chicago, Irvine, and Virginia aren't all calling because they have the same need in environmental law.
Posted by: anonanon | Aug 27, 2012 4:03:58 PM
@CorpReport - Thanks. That is reassuring.
Posted by: on the market (again) | Aug 27, 2012 5:18:48 PM
What does it mean to get dinged by Hastings at this stage? never heard of such a thing. don't schools usually just ignore folks
Posted by: anonding | Aug 28, 2012 2:04:46 AM
Some schools simply don't contact those they aren't interested in who have applied directly, but most will have the courtesy to let you know that they are not interested if you have applied. Some do it early (I've already received two such rejection notices myself) and other wait until after the hiring season is over and send a note saying that decided not to pursue your candidacy. I wouldn't read anything into an early rejection by one school. It probably just means your course package doesn't meet their current needs. I got a rejection letter last week from USD and the next day was invited to interview with a better school that I hadn't applied to. Remember, it is still very early, less than 5% of interview invitations have been extended.
Posted by: beenthere | Aug 28, 2012 8:10:04 AM
I've noticed that a few people have already sent out their target packages. Is that typical? I was planning to wait until next week, but perhaps I should get moving!
Posted by: alternaprof | Aug 28, 2012 8:42:13 AM
AALS with Texas Tech. Property, environmental law.
Posted by: anon | Aug 28, 2012 9:11:53 AM
@alternaprof: The advice I received was to try to beat the first AALS distribution, because hiring committees would start getting swamped. That being said, I'm pretty sure this is one of those "better late than never" situations.
Posted by: one-warm-line | Aug 28, 2012 9:50:27 AM
AALS with Florida State. No subject matter specified.
Posted by: aspiringprof | Aug 28, 2012 10:00:52 AM
Beenthere- would you please post which other school sent you a ding and where you've been invited to interview, along with your subject area? Thanks!
Posted by: FARout | Aug 28, 2012 10:02:41 AM
alternaprof - I was similarly advised to send out before the first distribution. As you can see, calls are already being made. My FAR doesn't scream "best athlete" (no Ct. of Appeals clerkship, no EIC at Harvard, etc) and so I tried to tailor my package to show that I deserve a look anyway.
Posted by: on the market (again) | Aug 28, 2012 10:57:55 AM
Interview with Florida State (for corporate).
Posted by: CorpReport | Aug 28, 2012 11:35:54 AM
AALS interviews scheduled with George Mason, Georgia State (corporate), Temple, and Texas Tech (corporate). All calls / emails came in last Thursday and Friday. My interests are securities / corporate / financial institutions.
Posted by: Rundel | Aug 28, 2012 12:43:21 PM
Has anyone else heard from George Mason or other DC schools?
Posted by: curious | Aug 28, 2012 12:52:11 PM
My area - Crim law. Invite Loyola Chicago, dinged at Hastings and USD.
Posted by: beenthere | Aug 28, 2012 1:01:37 PM
Any chance people could keep this thread clean of comments and questions? Those should be on the other thread...
Posted by: C | Aug 28, 2012 1:04:10 PM
AALS interview with George Mason.
Posted by: anon | Aug 28, 2012 1:26:19 PM
AALS for Texas Tech (corporate), Maine (corporate) and request for info from UVA.
I had sent targeted packages to Texas Tech and Maine.
The rest of you --- are you hearing mostly from schools you targeted? Or are most of these cold calls?
Posted by: hopeful | Aug 28, 2012 3:07:10 PM
Hopeful - I have received four invites (for schools mentioned above) in corporate/commercial law areas and all of these were cold calls.
Posted by: AALS | Aug 28, 2012 3:21:46 PM
All of mine have been cold calls, too.
Posted by: CorpReport | Aug 28, 2012 3:30:25 PM
General question. There seems to be a lot of interviews scheduled for Corporate. I appreciate it is a highly sought after hiring need, but I was wondering if hiring committees stagger when they look at applications and schedule interviews? Put another way, a school may want to lock-in candidates from Corporate now but may look at the Constitutional Law candidates (a more general area) in the next few weeks.
Posted by: anon | Aug 28, 2012 3:37:51 PM
To anon at 3:57--in my experience, every hiring committee operates differently--some more haphazardly than others. I think it is certainly possible that a number of the early (which means more organized) schools are going after corporate first. This might correspond to the fact that corporate/commercial hiring is a priority for A LOT of schools right now.
Posted by: bacon = the star of the meat market | Aug 28, 2012 3:55:34 PM
Also, I think this conversation belongs on the other thread, possibly.
Posted by: bacon = the star of the meat market | Aug 28, 2012 4:03:01 PM
NYLS is holding multiple days of pre-AALS interviews. I was offered one of their pre-AALs slots. They didn't specify an area, nor had I sent them a targeted packet, but I am generally in the commercial law space.
Posted by: on the market (again) | Aug 28, 2012 4:32:46 PM
on the market (again), are you in the tristate area?
Posted by: fran drescher | Aug 28, 2012 4:44:51 PM
I'm on the appointments committee at my school. We are having our first meeting tomorrow to discuss who to extend AALS interview invitations to. So, yes, it's early in the game folks.
Posted by: AnonLawProf | Aug 28, 2012 5:41:38 PM
Ditto on NYLS. I am not in the tristate area but in the general northeast.
Posted by: AALS | Aug 28, 2012 5:46:21 PM
Does anyone have some idea of the general % of AALS interviews that result in job talks and, in turn, the general % of job talks that result in offers?
Posted by: AnonVAP | Aug 28, 2012 9:42:20 PM
This seems like a good place to announce that contrary to some list that's going around I'm NOT the chair, or even on, the hiring committee at George Mason this year. Please cease the letters, emails, etc.
Posted by: David Bernstein | Aug 28, 2012 10:11:57 PM
I'm close enough for it to be a day trip.
Posted by: on the market (again) | Aug 28, 2012 10:54:25 PM
Folks, unless it's real information about a particular school calling about an invitation, please don't use this thread for anything else. If you're not sure, err on the side of putting your comments and questions on the clearinghouse for questions thread. Everything not exactly on point after this will be deleted. Thanks.
Posted by: Dan Markel | Aug 28, 2012 11:16:00 PM
Arizona State has extended some AALS interview offers
Posted by: anonyluck | Aug 29, 2012 10:58:14 AM
AALS with University of South Carolina. Environmental law.
Posted by: anon | Aug 29, 2012 12:06:07 PM
Ohio Northern has extended AALS invites.
Posted by: anon | Aug 29, 2012 12:30:30 PM
AALS with U of South Carolina in the area of tax.
Posted by: Anon | Aug 29, 2012 1:18:44 PM
AALS with Tennessee (unspecified but I teach crim, crim pro, evidence)
Posted by: crimprof | Aug 29, 2012 5:37:10 PM
AALS interview with Mercer (health law)
Posted by: FARout | Aug 29, 2012 6:49:57 PM
Comments moved to appropriate thread-sorry, Dan.
Posted by: Sarah Lawsky | Aug 29, 2012 7:07:21 PM
Confirming Ohio Northern. No field specified. Also, Richmond made some calls late last week. I've got an esoteric mix of teaching interests so I'm not going to say precisely what they are hiring for, but it generally tracks what's posted on the hiring committee thread.
Posted by: Pessimistic | Aug 30, 2012 11:23:37 AM
ding from vermont--not hiring in my field.
Posted by: salt 'n pepa | Aug 30, 2012 12:57:27 PM
ding from Richmond -- hiring for a trust & estates person, which is not my area
Posted by: anon | Aug 30, 2012 1:02:59 PM
ding from St. John's -- not hiring in my area (but you clinical folks should apply)
Posted by: FARout | Aug 30, 2012 1:18:03 PM
AALS invitation from Seattle University (they are primarily interested in torts); Request for more information from Duke.
Posted by: CorpReport | Aug 30, 2012 2:00:57 PM
St. John's is only hiring for a single position. Trial Ad/Evidence (not tenure track)
Got an AALS invite for Seattle
Posted by: on the market (again) | Aug 30, 2012 6:51:44 PM
aals interview calls from usc and unc. ucla request for more materials.
Posted by: the guy sitting in clint eastwood's chair | Aug 31, 2012 12:23:23 PM
sorry, to clarify previous post, usc is univ of southern cal and unc is north carolina
Posted by: the guy sitting in clint eastwood's chair | Aug 31, 2012 12:30:38 PM
AALS with St. Thomas (Miami) for commercial, bankruptcy and biz orgs.
Posted by: on the market (again) | Aug 31, 2012 2:06:35 PM
@TGSICEC: What subject areas? Thanks.
Posted by: bacon = the star of the meat market | Aug 31, 2012 3:04:52 PM
@bacon--unspecified subject areas
Posted by: the guy sitting in clint eastwood's chair | Aug 31, 2012 3:07:42 PM
Request for more materials from UCLA, Berkeley, Wake Forest, Fordham
Posted by: CorpReport | Aug 31, 2012 5:18:03 PM
AALS interview with St. Thomas in Miami (I assume for corporate)
Posted by: Rundel | Aug 31, 2012 5:51:48 PM
Confirming that ASU has extended interview invitations.
Posted by: anon | Aug 31, 2012 6:35:22 PM
AALS interviews at Maine, Cinncinati, Georgia State; dinged by UC Hastings; more info request from USC.
Posted by: Prof2b? | Aug 31, 2012 6:38:25 PM
Request for more info from USC.
Posted by: Anon | Aug 31, 2012 7:19:53 PM
AALS interviews with George Mason, Fordham, Maine, more info request from Virginia, Chicago, UCLA.
Posted by: mmonmarket | Sep 1, 2012 4:51:41 AM
What area(s) for Maine, if you don't mind sharing?
Posted by: Anonanon | Sep 1, 2012 9:58:13 AM
Requests for more materials from Fordham and Berkeley, no areas mentioned.
Posted by: sub-3 marathoner | Sep 1, 2012 11:14:15 AM
AALS with Arkansas and North Dakota.
Posted by: first timer | Sep 1, 2012 8:47:24 PM
Request for more materials from Cornell.
Posted by: candidate 1a | Sep 1, 2012 8:48:17 PM
has anyone gotten calls for IP?
Posted by: gingerale | Sep 1, 2012 9:41:18 PM
Nope, no calls for IP.
Posted by: FARFromHeaven | Sep 2, 2012 12:23:14 AM
Not the original poster about Maine, but I also got Maine and the area is commercial
Posted by: Anon | Sep 2, 2012 1:53:24 PM
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