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Saturday, February 11, 2012

VAPs and Fellowships: Open Thread, 2011-2012

As requested, here is this year's open thread in which comments can be shared regarding news of appointments to VAPs or similar fellowships (for example, the Climenko and Bigelow).  (Here is last year's thread.)

Update: We have an aggregator! Below is the spreadsheet, which you can view and download here.

Additionally, this link will always take you to the last page of comments for this thread.

From the aggregator:

The column titles should be self-explanatory. Most columns are populated by dates, each of which may have a descriptor next to it indicating (method of notification) AND/OR [slots filled/total slots].

Dates correspond to the posting date or the date I (VAP Aggregator) received an email directly.

Reports on some programs leave outstanding questions based on the information provided. I have highlighted those in yellow in the hopes folks will provide additional info.  (Committees, you are especially encouraged to correct me if I make a mistake!)

Some programs are not running this year (either via their webpage and/or reports). I have marked those rows in gray, but preserved them to help make the spreadsheet reusable next year.

Submit any questions/comments/corrections to vapaggregator (at) gmail (dot) com.

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Thanks for this. I'm very interested to hear which VAP/fellowship programs have been in contact with applicants. I know that Bigelow at Chicago and the Lawyering Program at NYU have done some interviews, but besides that I haven't heard anything. anyone know?

Posted by: anon | Nov 14, 2011 11:08:28 AM

Chicago-Kent is in open application season

Posted by: anon | Nov 14, 2011 12:50:07 PM

Both Illinois and BU said they are looking at applications starting in January.

Posted by: Dream On | Nov 14, 2011 12:59:18 PM

Loyola LA's Tax VAP has been conducting screening interviews.

Posted by: a2 | Nov 14, 2011 1:13:56 PM

Same question as on the other thread... does anyone know the status of Texas's Emerging Scholars Program?

Posted by: anon | Nov 14, 2011 2:03:43 PM

Re: Texas. The program is not running this year. It seems it is down for the count.

Posted by: anon | Nov 14, 2011 3:03:56 PM

Does the VAP application process ever require a jobtalk, or is the app package, recos, and an interview or two usually it?

& Can anyone recommend a good online resource for sample research agendas? Thanks!

Posted by: junior mint | Nov 14, 2011 4:17:12 PM

Where are people finding these VAP postings. Although I know of the list at TaxLawProf, many of those links are outdated. Also, there must be another source, since the link to the Chicago-Kent VAP does not show that they are currently taking applications, it just shows that they weren't taking them last year.

Posted by: anon | Nov 14, 2011 6:55:05 PM

The Stetson Jacob Fellow program did require a job talk. I don't know that very many others do.

Posted by: anon | Nov 14, 2011 7:03:32 PM

Having done the VAP/fellowship hunt the last few years, sadly, I didn't find an up-to-date list of all of them. The Taxprof post was invaluable, but I also found out about others through random blog posts and tweets. Word of mouth was also key, and I found out about three or four fellowships, including the job I'm in now, from law professors I know who forwarded me announcements they thought I might find interesting. The job I'm in now was announced on a lawprof mailing list; a former professor of mine saw the email, knew I was interested in that sort of program, and forwarded it to me urging me to apply. So definitely keep in touch with your former professors and let them know you're interested.

Posted by: Roger | Nov 14, 2011 7:13:38 PM

Has anyone heard from the Climenko program?

Posted by: anon | Nov 15, 2011 9:44:04 AM

Lewis & Clark sent out an email advertising their VAP program.

Posted by: anotherduda | Nov 15, 2011 10:30:20 AM

Would it be possible to repost the Lewis & Clark info here? I can't find it in an obvious place on their website.

Related: I worry that there's an incentive for people applying for VAPs not to share information about open positions, so if any faculty are able to share openings or opportunities at their schools, it would be appreciated!

Posted by: anon2.0 | Nov 15, 2011 11:03:33 AM

Contents of the email I received from Lewis & Clark are copied here:

Lewis & Clark Law School is now accepting applications for a visiting assistant professor position (VAP) for a two-year term for
fall 2012-spring 2014 in its environmental and natural resources law program. For more information go to our website at:

Posted by: Prawf Hopeful | Nov 15, 2011 1:28:50 PM

Has anyone heard from GW's new program?

Posted by: District denizen | Nov 15, 2011 2:55:21 PM

thanks prawf hopeful!

Posted by: anon2.0 | Nov 15, 2011 3:23:45 PM

A number of VAPs require jobtalks, including the Bigelow, the program at Stetson, and Chicago Kent.

Stetson interivewed people at AALS, but for all I know they may also be doing non-AALS interviews. I can also confirm that Chicago has done at least some screening interviews by phone.

Has anyone heard anything from the Bigelow program after doing the phone interview, or from Stetson after doing the AALS interview?

Posted by: anon | Nov 15, 2011 4:56:14 PM

The idea of doing a job talk as a VAP is confusing. Isn't the main point of VAPs to help one develop things like a job talk? At least, that's the way it used to be.

Posted by: anon | Nov 15, 2011 5:48:36 PM

Thanks for the response, anon @ 4:56. It's a bit confusing when the postings on the schools' websites are so vague. (As anon at 5:48 points out, if I had a job talk, I would have gone to AALS.)

Posted by: junior mint | Nov 15, 2011 5:53:13 PM

As far as I know the Bigelow does not require a job talk. It does require a a day of interviews and questions about the applicant's research agenda.

Posted by: a2 | Nov 15, 2011 6:16:49 PM

This is anon at 4:56. I stand corrected on the Bigelow program. I know they fly you to Chicago for a day of interviews, and I thought I remember hearing there was a job talk, but I don't really remember.

I believe that many of the VAP programs do not require a job talk. The Climenko doesn't (or at least didn't a couple years ago).

The job talk shouldn't really be seen as a huge obstacle. I interviewed with a number of VAP programs a few couple of years ago, and every screening interview had the same basic set up: why do you want to be a VAP? Describe the project you would work on as a VAP. Q&A to follow on the work in progress. Although I have published papers, no one wanted to talk about them---the focus was on what I would write as a VAP. So every interview was really a mini job talk. For an actual job talk, just expand your summary a bit. By the way, for programs that require a job talk, I think expectations are a bit lower than tenure track, and I would guess that an outline would be sufficient.

I hate to say it, but if you don't have any specific ideas for what you would write as a VAP, I think you may have a very hard time on the market (unless maybe you are a SCOTUS clerk or something)

Posted by: anon | Nov 15, 2011 7:56:34 PM

Thanks, that's very interesting. My understanding is that a TT jobtalk really does require a full-length, basically complete and very polished LR article that forms the basis for the talk, and while I do have published pieces and an agenda for future ones, I don't have anything current to speak on. The possibility that a VAP jobtalk might not require that type of written work product (i.e. a candidate can circulate an old article but talk mainly about future ones) makes sense and seems in line with what VAPs are supposedly about.

Posted by: junior mint | Nov 15, 2011 9:24:34 PM

Does anyone have a rough sense of how many candidates compete for these slots, i.e. what size is the applicant pool for GW, Bigelow, Stetson, etc.?

Posted by: vappable | Nov 16, 2011 5:33:01 PM

I don't know how big the applicant pool is, but it seems like a lot of people who are on the AALS tenure-track market are also applying for VAPs as a backup. I could be wrong, I am not one of them, but I know that Harvard and other schools encourage their alums to apply for VAPs in case a tenure-track gig doesn't pan out. This is too bad for us applicants who are applying for VAPs because we still need time to develop some scholarship. As junior mint said, that's what they're supposed to be about.

Posted by: anon | Nov 17, 2011 7:38:30 AM

ugh, i wonder if that means the harvard vap goes to one of their own alums.

Posted by: pippi | Nov 17, 2011 10:31:29 AM

NYU has been conducting interviews as well.

Posted by: anon | Nov 18, 2011 7:52:22 AM

Stetson has made callbacks.

Posted by: Dream On | Nov 28, 2011 8:30:21 PM

Stanford is doing phone interviews for its Legal Research & Writing fellowship.

Posted by: anon | Nov 30, 2011 6:11:41 PM

Is Brooklyn doing a VAP program this coming year?

Posted by: anon 3.0 | Dec 1, 2011 4:37:18 PM

I emailed Brooklyn about their VAP a few weeks ago. They said they would be looking in the spring after they were finished their tenure track hiring process. So watch the website for updates.

Posted by: anon | Dec 1, 2011 4:48:05 PM

I've noticed a (very) wide spread in timing on the VAP application process. I sent out a few apps in November, and haven't heard back - even confirmations of receipt - yet.

Is that normal? My gut instinct it to assume yes, and that faculties are busy with tenure-track hiring and end-of-semester issues, but want to check and see if anyone finds this odd/worth a follow-up.

Posted by: anon | Dec 5, 2011 11:42:07 PM

A couple of schools very kindly told me that they got my application but they wouldn't be looking at VAP/fellowship applications until January at the earliest-- they're tied up with the tenure track reviews. So I wouldn't be surprised if some of your schools just haven't turned to that part of the process yet. That said, places like Stanford/Chicago (Harvard?) have all done some form of interview, so if you haven't heard from them, you may not be going to.

Posted by: Dream On | Dec 6, 2011 10:51:38 AM

Has anybody actually heard anything from Harvard (as distinct from Stanford/Chicago)?

Posted by: anon 3.0 | Dec 7, 2011 4:21:21 PM

Yes Harvard has done some Climenko interviews.

Posted by: Anon | Dec 7, 2011 9:31:47 PM

has anyone gotten a climenko rejection, or are the choices just a) phone call or b) silence?

Posted by: junior mint | Dec 13, 2011 12:28:39 PM

NYU Lawyering has made some offers.

Posted by: anon | Dec 16, 2011 7:37:18 AM

NYU Lawyering made some offers? I was told by the committee that they would probably not make any decisions until February/March. Did you get an offer from the NYU Lawyering program after getting an offer elsewhere and then contacting the NYU folks, or did your offer come unsolicited?

Posted by: anon | Dec 16, 2011 3:50:13 PM

I didn't personally get an offer, but I'm very sure that they have made some, from knowing other people who are on the VAP market. just trying to share info, however tenuous it may be!

Posted by: anon | Dec 16, 2011 5:46:43 PM

Climenko has also made offers.

Posted by: anon | Dec 16, 2011 7:50:53 PM

Bigelow has also contacted some applicants to ask for additional writing samples.

Posted by: anon | Dec 20, 2011 9:14:05 PM

re Bigelow: Are these pre or post callback requests?

Posted by: a2 | Dec 21, 2011 10:50:23 AM

Re Bigelow, my request was pre-interview. I also received a ding from the GWU program via snail mail last week, so they are starting to make decisions.

Posted by: VAP Hopeful | Dec 21, 2011 1:02:57 PM

Thanks for the update VAP Hopeful.

Posted by: a2 | Dec 21, 2011 8:10:58 PM

Illinois has done some screening interviews for their VAP program

Posted by: anon | Dec 22, 2011 1:54:27 PM

GW is fairly far along in its selection process.

Posted by: anon | Jan 7, 2012 4:29:52 PM

What does "fairly far along" mean? It has made offers, has started to conduct interviews, has rejected lots of people, etc.

Posted by: anon | Jan 7, 2012 5:25:13 PM

I think GW has made some rejections already (see an earlier comment) and is actively reviewing applications now. I get the impression that they've made some preliminary decisions for some, but potentially not all, of their open VAP slots, but that's just a hunch and not on any authority.

Posted by: VAPapp | Jan 8, 2012 2:37:34 PM

UW is not hiring a VAP this year.

Posted by: VAPapp | Jan 9, 2012 1:08:38 PM

Neither is Fordham.

Posted by: VAP Hopeful | Jan 9, 2012 3:42:39 PM

What about Brooklyn?

Posted by: anon 3.0 | Jan 11, 2012 5:07:19 PM

Does anyone know if Florida State is hiring VAPs this year? They do appear to have current VAPs and there's been references in past years to their program, but I can't find anything on the web (or taxprofblog's list) about it...

Posted by: anon | Jan 18, 2012 1:51:27 AM

Any word from GW?

Posted by: VAPapp | Jan 18, 2012 3:56:59 PM

I heard that they've made one offer but still have one or two other positions

Posted by: anon | Jan 18, 2012 4:01:04 PM

A reliable source tells me that Stetson's two VAP positions have been filled.

Posted by: anon | Jan 18, 2012 6:17:14 PM

Anyone know if Penn State is running this year? The website still references applying for 2011-2012 positions...

Posted by: anon | Jan 19, 2012 2:28:40 AM

Villanova announced two VAP positions on Monday - here's a link to the post via tax prof blog:

Posted by: anon | Jan 25, 2012 8:55:23 AM

LSU is still accepting applications for its Future Law Teachers Fellowship Program for the 2012-2013 academic year. For more information, please visit http://www.law.lsu.edu/index.cfm?geaux=fellowship.home.

Posted by: Christina Sautter | Jan 27, 2012 9:46:55 AM

The LSU website says that applications will be accepted through October 31. Have they extended the deadline and just forgotten to post the extension on the website?

Posted by: VAPHopeful | Jan 27, 2012 11:05:00 AM

VAPHopeful, I heard they extended the deadline.

Posted by: Anon | Jan 27, 2012 12:38:11 PM

I believe Duke is done hiring.

Posted by: VAPapp | Jan 30, 2012 3:41:13 PM

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