Wednesday, November 09, 2011
Law School Hiring, 2011-2012, Thread Two
NB: Bounced to the front every ten days or so.
We invite those on the market to leave comments on this thread regarding whether they have received:
(a) a callback from a law school and/or accepted it; or
(b) an offer from a law school and/or accepted it; feel free to also leave details about the offer, including teaching load, research leave, etc. A school listed as "offer accepted" may have made more than one offer and may still have some slots open.
Law professors may also choose to provide information that is relevant to the entry-level or the lateral market.
1. If you don't want your contact information displayed, enter email@example.com or something like that as an email address.
2. Members of hiring committees, if you see something incorrect in the comments (e.g., someone says they have an offer at your school, but you haven't made any offers), please email me directly, slawsky *at* law *dot* uci *dot* edu, and I will delete or amend the comment and adjust the spreadsheet, and if the person at that IP address persists in posting incorrect information, I will block the IP address.
3. All information should come in through the comments. Our aggregator will use a spreadsheet to aggregate the information. Only the aggregator will be able to edit the spreadsheet, but when the aggregator edits the spreadsheet, those changes will be reflected in the embedded, downloadable version below.
Here is the spreadsheet, which is downloadable.
Please be patient with the aggregator, who will try to update this spreadsheet once a day, but may have a job, and perhaps may even be on the market.
There is a separate thread, "A Clearinghouse for Questions," for general questions or comments about the teaching market. Please do not use the thread below for general questions or comments. (Such comments will be deleted, not out of hostility or in a judgy way, just to keep this thread focused.)
This year's first hiring thread is here. Comments on that thread are now closed.
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Callback at Brooklyn.
Posted by: anon | Oct 17, 2011 9:48:50 AM
Toledo (health) and Phoenix (civ pro and health)
Posted by: Prawf Hopeful | Oct 17, 2011 12:24:20 PM
anon @ 9:48 - What area at Brooklyn? I'm trying to keep the data as accurate as possible. Thanks!
To all - please specify your area(s) when you post your callbacks.
Good luck everyone!
Posted by: the aggregator | Oct 17, 2011 12:28:12 PM
Posted by: onyx | Oct 17, 2011 12:31:11 PM
Ohio Northern (business associations)
Posted by: Waiting for the Phone to Ring | Oct 17, 2011 2:52:30 PM
Posted by: umlaut | Oct 17, 2011 5:46:20 PM
Keep this in mind, and I think this is true of many (perhaps most) schools: Some people will have call backs immediately, for the most part they will be the superstars who were so identified by nearly every school that interviewed them. They will not only receive multiple callbacks but also multiple offers. But for most of you, it will be a significant wait. Some of you will receive offers after the new year. I've know numerous people who accepted offers in late February and even early March. In the meantime, send any resume updates to hiring committee chairs, keep yourselves occupied, and be reassured that some of the most successful professors in legal academia found this process to be trying.
Posted by: Hiring Committee Member | Oct 17, 2011 6:01:56 PM
Fordham, Ohio State, and Iowa. All this morning. Area: Crim
Posted by: Surprisingly Happy | Oct 17, 2011 8:30:02 PM
UC Davis and Ohio State. Area, IP
Posted by: Anonymusk Ox | Oct 17, 2011 10:15:50 PM
South Carolina, yesterday, rule of law.
Posted by: anonanon | Oct 18, 2011 11:12:30 AM
Posted by: Anon | Oct 18, 2011 6:07:24 PM
Yes - faculty are reporting in as well... usually by means other than posting here, but faculty could also be posting here.
Posted by: the aggregator | Oct 18, 2011 6:58:07 PM
Northern Kentucky Univ. Salmon Chase College of Law callback Sunday, October 16, 2011
Posted by: anonome | Oct 18, 2011 9:26:08 PM
Widener and Ave Maria - tax - callback on 17 October.
Posted by: Anon tax | Oct 18, 2011 10:39:41 PM
University of New Mexico.
Posted by: Want to be a prawf | Oct 19, 2011 2:15:32 PM
Campbell for business associations.
Posted by: Anons | Oct 19, 2011 2:29:43 PM
If you want to report off-site, please email me your callbacks at AALSaggregator [at] gmail [dot] com. Thanks.
Posted by: the aggregator | Oct 19, 2011 3:55:14 PM
I don't think an email address, in and of itself, will encourage reporting, since people are concerned about a school's reaction to their reporting. However, what might help is the ability to say to the aggregator (via the email address), school X has called me and you can post it if you hear from at least one other person. This way, risk averse individuals can feel free to disclose to the aggregator knowing that the school won't know it was them. Thoughts?
Posted by: anon | Oct 19, 2011 4:15:03 PM
Disagree with anon at 415. Since reporting can come from either faculty or candidates, if it comes through the aggregator, it's not necessarily an identifier. While there may be only a few candidates who receive a callback at a specific school, there are a ton of faculty.
Posted by: Anon | Oct 19, 2011 4:46:10 PM
Sorry, to clarify, I agree that people should report away, but I think that might be a way for the completely risk averse who would never, ever otherwise say anything to report.
Posted by: anon | Oct 19, 2011 4:48:47 PM
Given how skittish some people apparently are, why don't we (AALS and everyone) just keep secret the fact that any new professor has been hired? After all, if the new professor's hiring gets announced anywhere, that law school will probably punish him/her by denying tenure someday.
Posted by: Shadowlighter | Oct 19, 2011 4:52:15 PM
I'm not sure that I follow your 446 comment Anon. Postings on this blog can also come from both faculty or students, with no way to differentiate (ex. if the wording was "Yale is calling candidates"). If a student emailed "Yale called me" and then it appeared on the spreadsheet the school would know that it was the student who reported since they would know if they posted or not.
Posted by: i wish yale was calling me... | Oct 19, 2011 4:54:09 PM
When callbacks are reported directly into the spreadsheet, are they entered next to the relevant area? I.e.,Miami callback is listed next to commercial, not health. Does that mean the callback is for the commercial slot?
Posted by: anon | Oct 19, 2011 5:10:47 PM
Posted by: not paranoid | Oct 19, 2011 6:33:13 PM
anon @ 5:10 - To the best of my ability, yes, I align the callbacks with the appropriate substantive area. Of course, I can only do that if the substantive area is reported with the callback. If it's multiple schools at once, I can sometimes infer the substantive area. (For example, if someone reports multiple callbacks without the area and one of the schools on the list is only hiring in one area but other schools are hiring in multiple areas, including the one in which the first school is hiring, then I can usually figure it out.)
Posted by: the aggregator | Oct 19, 2011 6:35:41 PM
South Carolina on the 17th, clinical.
Posted by: anon | Oct 20, 2011 11:20:44 AM
Posted by: anonymous | Oct 20, 2011 2:43:23 PM
Posted by: anon | Oct 20, 2011 10:25:32 PM
Mississippi has asked folks to "continue the dialogue" (which apparently includes filling out some forms).
Whittier should be making decisions today, if nothing went out yesterday.
Please keep the emails coming. Good luck to all.
Posted by: the aggregator | Oct 21, 2011 10:00:13 AM
Please limit comments on this thread only to specific information about hiring. General comments about the meat market should go on Clearinghouse for Questions.
Posted by: Sarah Lawsky | Oct 21, 2011 2:03:26 PM
I've heard that Minnesota has called.
Posted by: lip | Oct 21, 2011 5:04:54 PM
Posted by: FWIW | Oct 21, 2011 7:11:43 PM
Indiana University - Indianapolis, Texas Tech, and U of Cincinnati, all for commercial law.
Posted by: Anon | Oct 22, 2011 9:11:46 AM
"Top" schools that I know have made callbacks: Chicago, Berkeley, Virginia, Cornell, Georgetown, UCLA, Vanderbilt, USC, GW.
Any others that folks have heard about?
Posted by: duda | Oct 22, 2011 4:14:51 PM
Posted by: anotherduda | Oct 22, 2011 5:14:14 PM
Posted by: Anon | Oct 24, 2011 10:19:14 PM
Good schools are still definitely calling; I got callbacks yesterday and today from top-20 schools that had already been mentioned here. It seems to be a bit of a rolling process.
Posted by: yahuh | Oct 25, 2011 12:33:01 PM
Posted by: anon | Oct 25, 2011 12:37:16 PM
I had a screening interview with Chicago for their Bigelow program
Posted by: anon | Oct 25, 2011 1:12:34 PM
Posted by: anon | Oct 25, 2011 3:34:08 PM
Posted by: anon | Oct 25, 2011 11:06:10 PM
Posted by: a person | Oct 26, 2011 9:41:04 AM
FWIW, Thomas Jefferson has sent "no thanks" e-mails to some people who interviewed with them at AALS, so if you interviewed with them and haven't gotten either a rejection or a callback, you're pretty likely on a B list.
Posted by: Want to be a prawf | Oct 26, 2011 10:06:03 AM
Barry University and U of Louisville
Posted by: anon | Oct 26, 2011 10:42:40 AM
Posted by: anon | Oct 26, 2011 10:56:10 AM
Anyone hear from Richmond? I know Wayne State and Buffalo have called people back (not me)...
Posted by: anon | Oct 26, 2011 3:52:49 PM
Richmond has made call-backs for international
Kentucky has also made call-backs for their "non-crim" spot.
Posted by: anon | Oct 26, 2011 8:14:55 PM
Lincoln-Duncan University Law in Knoxville, Clinical, October 26.
Posted by: inheritthewindow | Oct 27, 2011 1:36:14 AM
I had a screening interview with Chicago for their Bigelow program
anon, by screening interview do you mean a phone interview or something on-campus?
Posted by: another anon | Oct 27, 2011 3:14:20 AM
SMU has made call-backs.
Posted by: anon | Oct 27, 2011 1:51:40 PM
Posted by: anon | Oct 27, 2011 6:54:18 PM
Penn & UVA have made some callbacks.
Posted by: anon | Oct 28, 2011 10:43:43 AM
Duke has as well.
Posted by: anon | Oct 28, 2011 10:44:26 AM
Posted by: anon | Oct 28, 2011 4:23:41 PM
Posted by: anon | Oct 28, 2011 4:23:59 PM
FYI - Hamline will be hiring ONLY in health law.
Posted by: the aggregator | Oct 29, 2011 9:14:54 PM
Posted by: anon | Oct 31, 2011 10:00:57 PM
Has anyone heard from Oregon?
Posted by: anon | Nov 1, 2011 2:57:57 PM
Below is a list of schools that were reported as interviewing candidates at the FRC but for which we haven't had reports of callbacks. If you have any information about these schools, please post or email. Thanks!
Georgia State (health position)
John Marshall - Atlanta
Loyola - LA
Loyola - New Orleans
U Colorado - Boulder
U New Hampshire
U North Carolina
U North Dakota
Washington & Lee
William & Mary
Posted by: the aggregator | Nov 1, 2011 3:19:24 PM
I know that U Arizona has made callbacks.
Thanks for taking on this task! IMHO, some information (albeit woefully incomplete) is better than no information.
Posted by: anon | Nov 1, 2011 3:50:14 PM
I heard that Stetson made a tax callback (not me)
Posted by: anon | Nov 1, 2011 3:55:36 PM
I know that Georgia state has issued callbacks for their health law position. Uc irvine has issued callbacks also.
Posted by: Anon | Nov 1, 2011 6:18:54 PM
U of Oregon has scheduled interviews. Prof Flunk Out: I've also received one 'thanks but no thanks' email, but I was glad to get it (better than wondering!).
Posted by: anonapalooza | Nov 2, 2011 10:05:14 AM
I have personal knowledge that the following schools have made callbacks: WVU, OU, Ark-L.R., DePaul, Elon, TN, Duquesne, and UND.
Posted by: Anon | Nov 2, 2011 10:23:33 AM
Atlanta John Marshall has made invitations and have begun its callbacks in a number of areas.
Posted by: anon | Nov 2, 2011 10:47:36 AM
Thanks for the updates, folks. Please keep 'em coming.
Re U Arkansas, I meant both... but now we know about Little Rock. Thanks anon @ 10:23.
Continued good luck wishes to all.
Posted by: the aggregator | Nov 2, 2011 3:39:11 PM
Washburn has sent a round of ding letters. I got one, as did a friend.
Temple has (finally) sent the emails Prof. Hoffman had said were coming.
Posted by: hopeful | Nov 2, 2011 3:45:36 PM
William and Mary has scheduled callbacks.
Posted by: anon | Nov 2, 2011 3:47:55 PM
Re schools not yet reported, you can add callback offers for Loyola (LA) and UNC, both of which were extended within 5 days of the FRC.
Posted by: Anonanna | Nov 5, 2011 1:47:58 PM
heard that Marquette held callbacks last week.
Posted by: wshakespeare | Nov 6, 2011 11:53:27 AM
Syracuse mailed out ding letters.
Posted by: optimist | Nov 9, 2011 1:51:11 PM
I understand that CUNY, which didn't attend the meat market in DC, is currently conducting first-round interviews.
Posted by: anon | Nov 11, 2011 1:28:40 PM
I think it'll be helpful for those who are stressing about whether they're on b-lists or just rejected for those of us who have received explicit dings to post who they're from, on the logic that if you interviewed at one of these schools and haven't gotten a ding, there may be some hope that you're still under consideration. At least, it might be worth an inquiry. And all the privacy/angering people concerns about naming specific schools don't really apply to dings, since, hey, they've already rejected you.
SO, with no further ado. Here's my ding list, in the order in which they rejected me after AALS:
Dear aggregator: any chance that we can get a spreadsheet field for dings?
Posted by: Keep hope alive pt. 2 | Nov 13, 2011 1:55:36 PM
Here is my ding list:
Posted by: anon | Nov 13, 2011 2:00:05 PM
Here's my ding list:
Washington & Lee
Posted by: More dings | Nov 13, 2011 2:18:55 PM
Keep hope alive--which Indiana?
I got a ding from Temple. Which was a particularly painful ding, as it came on the heels of the posting by Professor Hoffman that there were still lots of people on their B-list.
Posted by: anon | Nov 13, 2011 2:22:55 PM
Re: Northwestern and William & Mary dings, did these come by email or letter, and roughly how recently? Just wondering if I should brace myself for Monday morning's office snail mail.
And can anyone report whether Northwestern has scheduled any callbacks, whether b/c you have one or b/c your ding letter included the status of their process?
Posted by: anon | Nov 13, 2011 2:34:13 PM
Ding: Hamline. Very nicely worded ding.
Posted by: anon | Nov 13, 2011 2:58:10 PM
Anon 2:22: Bloomington. & Anon 2:34, my Northwestern ding (which came by e-mail a couple weeks ago) didn't say anything about actually scheduling callbacks, it just said they "don't anticipate" giving me one. William & Mary ding came by snail mail a few days ago, and is the only snail mail one I've received.
Posted by: Keep hope alive pt. 2 | Nov 13, 2011 5:14:45 PM
You can add Case Western to the ding list.
Posted by: Anons | Nov 13, 2011 5:42:59 PM
Ding from Pepperdine.
Posted by: Shadowlighter | Nov 13, 2011 6:12:35 PM
Ding from Toronto.
Posted by: anon | Nov 13, 2011 7:20:15 PM
Dings from Thomas Jefferson (email) and Boston College (paper mail) both a bit ago
Posted by: anon | Nov 13, 2011 8:35:31 PM
Ding from Wake Forest
Posted by: anon | Nov 13, 2011 10:01:31 PM
Dings from Gonzaga, Loyola - LA
Posted by: patient | Nov 13, 2011 10:02:10 PM
Dings from Golden Gate (shortly after the AALS) and from the University of Washington (recently). Both via email.
Posted by: notasuperstar | Nov 14, 2011 8:40:52 AM
Ding from Baylor (paper mail) a few weeks ago.
Posted by: Cake | Nov 14, 2011 11:48:58 AM
ok - one "ding" column coming up! thanks all... please keep the info coming.
Posted by: the aggregator | Nov 14, 2011 1:21:04 PM
dinged by Temple, Washburn, Whittier and Hamline.
Posted by: hopeful | Nov 14, 2011 2:20:47 PM
Dinged by Miami. Awkwardly, after I wrote to tell them I had a paper accepted for publication.
Posted by: anon | Nov 14, 2011 5:22:42 PM
Snail mail ding from U Illinois.
Posted by: Dream On | Nov 15, 2011 9:39:07 AM
Dinged by Boston College via snail mail a couple of weeks back.
Posted by: anotherduda | Nov 15, 2011 10:28:09 AM
Let's please play nice, folks. Keep the dings info coming... it seems to be useful, and it helps set up next year's data aggregation. Maybe they'll start tracking dings earlier in the season, and perhaps segregate out the dings from direct applications.
That having been said, it seems rather obvious that if you haven't heard from a school to which you applied directly, they are not pursuing your candidacy. So, I personally agree with the notion that post-AALS dings are more indicative at this stage of the game, but who knows the specifics of each situation... keep the info flowing in.
Posted by: the aggregator | Nov 15, 2011 1:27:01 PM
William and Mary ding via mail.
Posted by: anon | Nov 15, 2011 3:02:46 PM
William & Mary ding (snail mail); Illinois ding (snail mail/direct app)
Posted by: anon | Nov 15, 2011 4:04:17 PM
Dings from Arizona, Arizona State, and Lewis & Clark, all by email at least a couple weeks ago
Posted by: Anon | Nov 15, 2011 9:41:57 PM
Ding from U Missouri Kansas City
Posted by: anon | Nov 16, 2011 8:37:41 AM
What was the field for UMKC?
Posted by: Anon, good nurse! | Nov 16, 2011 12:34:31 PM
Ding from Marquette via email immediately following aals.
Posted by: deVere | Nov 16, 2011 9:45:37 PM
civ pro for UMKC
Posted by: anon | Nov 17, 2011 2:16:09 PM
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