Monday, September 19, 2011
Open Thread for Law Review "Angsting"
Updated and bounced to the front:
Redyip has finally been sighted for the season. The question is: has he departed for good until the spring? Are the law reviews still open for business and making offers?
Since we had such a successful thread this past spring about the submission season, I figured we should start a new thread for a joy/gripe-fest, a place where authors and editors can share stories and offer information about the upcoming submission season. Have at it!
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I sent out two articles the last week of July. One ended up with a top 100 placement, the other has a top 100 offer but is still in the expedite process. I haven't heard much out of top 50 journals, although it's not clear whether that's attributable to it being early in the season or whether it's just normal uncommunicativeness.
Posted by: Anon | Aug 9, 2011 9:18:12 AM
Sent an article out last week. Rejections from Chicago and Michigan so far.
Posted by: anon | Aug 9, 2011 4:56:30 PM
sent out an article last week as well. Six rejections already (Penn, Cardozo,among others).
Posted by: anontoo | Aug 9, 2011 7:18:43 PM
Rejections from Yale, Penn., Cal., Baylor.
Posted by: anon | Aug 10, 2011 8:48:54 AM
Got rejection from Utah stating that it's full (although it was still open on Expresso). Also rejection from Cardozo.
Posted by: Anon | Aug 10, 2011 9:54:33 AM
Submitted via Expresso on August 6; followed up with journals that just opened on August 10.
So far, rejection (near instantaneous) from Chicago, confirmation from Michigan, radio silence otherwise.
Posted by: kal | Aug 11, 2011 4:29:02 PM
Rejection from Ohio State.
Posted by: anon | Aug 11, 2011 5:10:48 PM
Made it to the final round of review by the Stanford Law Review. Rejected by Michigan, California, Penn and Baylor. Radio silence from about 50 other law reviews. I haven't received any letterhead rejections yet (namely, rejections that come so promptly that there is no chance the editor even glanced at your article). I'm not sure if the review process for many law reviews isn't in full swing yet.
Posted by: anon | Aug 12, 2011 1:27:22 PM
Rejection from NYU.
Posted by: anon | Aug 15, 2011 11:44:01 AM
Submitted Saturday. Rejection from Baylor. Request to confirm article is still available from Boston University.
Posted by: anon | Aug 15, 2011 4:03:15 PM
Here's my situation; any feedback would be appreciated.
My article was accepted by a law review from a school with a US News ranking in the 80s. I just got another offer from a school about 7 spots "below" the first school on the US News rankings. The school with the higher US News ranking, however, has a much lower W & L ranking for frequency of citation and overall impact. I feel silly asking this, with the focus of the stupid US News rankings being at the heart of my question, but the game is what it is. So, my question is whether I should consider the 7 spots important, or should just go with the school that's 7 spots lower, but much higher in the W & L rankings. Is it silly to even think about this much? It's not like we're talking about a USN 80s versus a 20s or something.
Posted by: Anotheranon | Aug 15, 2011 4:21:27 PM
A small request -- as commenters post the schools they have heard from, I think many of us would find it helpful to know when people submitted. That may make it a little easier to figure out whether our pieces are still alive in the process (if someone submitted after us but has already received a response) or whether the editors simply haven't gotten to our piece yet.
Posted by: kal | Aug 15, 2011 4:38:43 PM
Anotheranon at 4:21, I think your offers are indistinguishable. I'd go with whichever school offers you a better publishing schedule (if that's important to you), lead article status (if that's important to you), or even just with whichever one seems more enthusiastic.
Congratulations on your offers!
Posted by: kal | Aug 15, 2011 4:40:47 PM
Thanks Kal for your input; that was what I figured. Does anyone else have a different take?
FYI, I started submitting on Expresso on the 9th, but most of my submissions were on the 11-12.
Posted by: Anotheranon | Aug 15, 2011 5:41:07 PM
Anotheranon--I'd go with the journal ranked higher in WL. Those rankings tend to fluctuate less than US News. Another helpful decision point can be a school's peer review score in US News.
Submitted a week ago. Received decisions from NYU, Chicago, Michigan, Cal, Baylor, San Diego, Seton Hall, Tennessee, and Marquette.
Has anyone heard from schools ranked b/w 20-50 other than Cardozo? Many thanks.
Posted by: DCBSM | Aug 16, 2011 10:00:24 AM
I submitted to a number of top 50 journals via Expresso on August 7. As of this morning, the following journals had not even confirmed receipt (via Express or otherwise) of my submission: Alabama Law Review, American University Law Review, California Law Review, Florida Law Review, Fordham Law Review, Georgia Law Review, Notre Dame Law Review, Ohio State Law Journal, Southern California Law Review, Texas Law Review, Virginia Law Review, Wake Forest Law Review, Washington Law Review and Wisconsin Law Review.
I have not heard back from any of the journals to which I submitted, other than a rejection from the Michigan Law Review.
Posted by: MidwestProf | Aug 16, 2011 3:00:10 PM
I have had the same experience as MidwestProf, including the Michigan rejection. I submitted on August 8.
Posted by: anon | Aug 16, 2011 3:44:40 PM
Roughly the same experience as the prior two commenters. I submitted a bit earlier and have been rejected by Yale and Minnesota additionally. Based on a small number of anecdotes, it seems like a substantial number of top 50ish journals are starting serious review this week or next.
Posted by: anon2 | Aug 16, 2011 4:30:29 PM
Pepperdine is full until 2012
Posted by: anon | Aug 16, 2011 6:50:36 PM
Submitted 8/14. Top 150 (is there even such a thing?) offer 8/16. Requested expedites from 50-150ish this morning.
Posted by: anon | Aug 17, 2011 9:42:20 AM
Just to add some levity here, I got a ding email yesterday from Washington Univ. Law Review for an article submitted LAST YEAR around this time and which was published in the Utah Law Review this spring. Thanks for promptly reviewing submissions folks!
Posted by: Brian Clarke | Aug 17, 2011 10:07:50 AM
For offer deadlines, what is the understanding/custom regarding when exactly the offer expires. Five o'clock? Author's time or law review's time?
Posted by: New at this | Aug 17, 2011 12:15:52 PM
If the law review doesn't specify a time, I write and suggest one.
Posted by: Patrick Luff | Aug 17, 2011 12:48:58 PM
Rejections from Georgetown and BYU. Offers from 3 in the US News 90-110 range. Submitted 8/14.
Posted by: Anon | Aug 17, 2011 9:04:48 PM
Georgetown rejection. Submitted 8/8.
Posted by: Anon | Aug 17, 2011 10:23:31 PM
Rejections from Stanford and Kentucky. Submitted 8/1.
Posted by: anono | Aug 18, 2011 2:28:56 PM
Rejection from Chicago. Submitted August 8.
Posted by: anon | Aug 18, 2011 2:41:24 PM
Submitted via ExpressO approximately 12 hours ago and have already received my first rejection from Washington Law Review.
Posted by: anon | Aug 19, 2011 9:09:17 AM
Has anyone had an expedite deadline that fell on a Saturday or Sunday? Any thoughts on whether this is uncommon or problematic? Any input is appreciated!
Posted by: anono | Aug 19, 2011 10:32:27 AM
Ohio State L. J. (a journal which had never confirmed receipt of my submission on Expresso) declined my piece. As noted above, I submitted via Expresso on August 7.
Colorado L. Rev. is also temporarily full.
Posted by: MidwestProf | Aug 19, 2011 12:56:00 PM
When you get a personalized rejection or confirmation of receipt email (i.e., an email directly to you, addressed to you, and referring to your article by title), do folks typically respond with a short thank you? Or do you not respond and wait for further (if any) communication?
Posted by: anon | Aug 19, 2011 1:00:09 PM
Some (subjective) answers to questions above. 1. Probably you shouldn't respond to any correspondence from a journal that does not directly ask you to respond -- they just get an enormous amount of e-mail and occasionally one hears of editors admitting to being irrationally angry at people who needlessly clog the inbox. Most of the stuff that looks "personalized" is automated.
2. I've had expedite deadlines on a Sunday. Not always problematic at other journals, but if so you can ask for an extension. (But I reiterate my general view that you shouldn't ask for extensions if you don't have good reason to believe another journal actually needs more time).
Posted by: BDG | Aug 19, 2011 4:03:02 PM
Just received a third offer; this time from a law review from a school with a US News ranking in the 60s. Sorry I can't be more specific.
Posted by: Anotheranon | Aug 19, 2011 4:44:01 PM
Oh, and I should also mention my dings: Columbia, Chicago, NYU, Penn, Boalt, Northwestern, Georgetown, Georgia, Hastings, Colorado, American, Baylor, Case Western and Kentucky.
Posted by: Anotheranon | Aug 20, 2011 7:04:49 AM
Submitted 8/8. Rejections at Yale, Chicago, Michigan, Berkeley, Davis, Ohio State, George Mason (full), BYU, Cardozo.
If people who submitted substantially later than us are getting rejected at journals we have not heard from, does that suggest we are still alive in the process at those journals? Or does that read too much order into the process?
Posted by: kal | Aug 20, 2011 9:49:39 AM
Kal--I submitted around the same time as you, and have not heard from (or even received acknowledgments of receipt on ExpressO from) several journals that both you and Anotheranon have mentioned. So my sense is that randomness prevails.
Posted by: a to the non | Aug 20, 2011 10:59:20 AM
Kal-- I'm in the same boat. It could mean that my submission is still alive "in the process". Or it could mean that the "process" has not even started for my piece-- i.e. that editors have not bothered to review my piece yet based on its subject matter and/or my letterhead.
Posted by: MidwestProf | Aug 20, 2011 12:59:27 PM
Rejections from Florida and BU.
Posted by: Anon | Aug 20, 2011 3:32:08 PM
I'm curious if people are getting fewer email responses to expedite requests and ExpressO acknowledgments of receipt than in previous years. I feel like there's a lot more silence than I'm used to. (Or maybe that says more about my article this time....) I'm also wondering whether anyone this cycle has gotten an offer out of the blue after an expedite request (i.e., not from a journal that responded by email to the request).
Posted by: a to the non | Aug 20, 2011 10:20:57 PM
Is it worth sending out a new expedite request with a deadline that is only one day later than the previous expedite request, but the new offer is from a significantly more highly ranked journal?
Posted by: anon | Aug 21, 2011 9:39:39 AM
Anon @ 9:39 am - Yes, by all means. It extends your deadline and provides potentially valuable signaling about the desirability of your article.
Posted by: Anonity | Aug 21, 2011 9:44:47 AM
If you are contacted by a law review and told that your article has made it past the initial review, what are the chances of getting an offer? I know this probably differs by journal, but any thoughts would be appreciated.
Posted by: anon | Aug 22, 2011 12:52:58 PM
it's like the law professor version of law school admissions. how cute.
Posted by: guest | Aug 22, 2011 1:17:21 PM
Some rejections are much more positive than others (e.g., We have not selected your piece vs. We liked your piece but regret that we have no more space, please keep us mind for future submissions). I have always assumed that all rejection emails are the same for any given law review and that the "positive" rejections don't really convey any opinion about your piece. Can anyone confirm or deny this?
Posted by: Stuart Ford | Aug 22, 2011 5:35:10 PM
Anon at 12:52--it does vary by journal; I think an extremely rough rule of thumb is 1/5.
Stuart--I think you're generally right. However, some journals (i.e., Chicago) will let you know whether you made it to full review (the "normal" rejection is a nice, polite "no thanks," whereas "the rejection after full review" says something like "your article provoked a long and interesting discussion").
Posted by: a to the non | Aug 22, 2011 6:05:30 PM
Submitted to top 70 on 8/19. (Minus several that are full.) rejected quickly from Georgetown, Penn, Michigan. I will probably add another 10-15 journals tonight.
Posted by: Dude | Aug 22, 2011 9:34:41 PM
I submitted on 8/15 and have only received one, very quick, rejection from U. Chicago. Other than that, radio silence. I've never gone this long without several rejections. It just seems odd.
Posted by: Anon-4-evah | Aug 22, 2011 10:04:55 PM
Rejections from Cornell and BYU.
Posted by: anon | Aug 23, 2011 12:43:41 PM
BDG: How do you decide whether a journal has a good reason to ask for more time to review your submission after you put in a request to expedite? At what point are you willing to ask for an extension from the journal that has offered publication?
Posted by: anon | Aug 23, 2011 2:52:39 PM
Per Anon-4-evah's comment. It does seem awfully quiet out there. I got out a bit later than you- but I'm not reading too much into it yet. I mean, who knows?
Posted by: Dude | Aug 23, 2011 6:25:50 PM
Top 50 law reviews are slowly beginning to get back to me... but only after I made an expedite request due to an offer I got from a specialty journal of a top 10 school. After my expedite request, I heard back from the law reviews of Cornell, Vanderbilt, Duke, Boston University, and Washington (Seattle).
Posted by: MidwestProf | Aug 23, 2011 11:05:49 PM
Midwest Prof--sorry, do you mean you received decisions from these journals or that they sent an email acknowledging your expedite request? Thanks.
Posted by: anon | Aug 23, 2011 11:21:47 PM
Submitted 8/22 to a number of general journals in the top 100 range, plus a few specialty journals. Quick ding from Baylor. Receipt acknowledgements from several general journals, including: BC, Columbia, Connecticut, Cornell, Duke, Emory, FSU, Michigan, Minnesota, NYU, Chicago, Vandy, Wash U, and Wisconsin.
Posted by: TF | Aug 23, 2011 11:48:23 PM
Anon @ 11:21:47 PM, I received decisions from said law reviews-- all within 72 hours of my expedite request and all declining to publish.
Posted by: MidwestProf | Aug 24, 2011 12:08:38 AM
@anon 2:52 -- my rule of thumb is that I won't ask for an extension unless another journal has told me that they're potentially interested but they need more time (e.g., I was recently told by one very good journal that they won't be making any decisions on expedites until Sept. 1). Your mileage may vary, but something other than silence or rejection seems like a minimum fair standard to me. Others might argue that offers with only one- or two-week windows are unreasonably short, and that there is therefore nothing wrong with asking for an extension. I don't agree with that view (as I've said before, because I think the system doesn't work especially well if everyone routinely asks for extensions), but I don't think it's obviously wrong.
Posted by: BDG | Aug 24, 2011 9:27:07 AM
Thanks MidwestProf, and congrats on your offer. I've recently received dings from Chicago, Michigan, Virginia, Columbia, Stanford, and BU.
Posted by: anon | Aug 24, 2011 10:41:21 AM
Does anyone know if I should I attach significance to the fact that my submission (my first experience w/ this process) did NOT get an acknowledgement or receipt from many of the journals who sent TF and others a receipt? Is acknowledgement an automatic process such that I should consider the possibility that something went amiss in transmission of my article, or is it a matter of different student editors getting around to these things at different times, or, (alas) another layer of school-status discrimination? (I sent my article to about 70 journals from 7/31 to 8/15, using a mix of Expresso and direct email, and I did receive some acknowledgements.) Thanks.
Posted by: novice anon | Aug 24, 2011 10:44:04 AM
I submitted three days ago and just received an offer from a high tier-two (low tier-one, depending on which rankings you use) specialty journal. They've given me a very short deadline, so I asked for an extension. My question is this: should I name the specialty journal in the expedite request? Or, would it be better to not disclose this information?
Posted by: dt | Aug 24, 2011 10:46:10 AM
Any thoughts on offers from T14 specialty journals in comparison to offers from main law reviews outside of the top 50 or so schools?
Posted by: anono | Aug 24, 2011 11:11:24 AM
After declining unsatisfactory offers last Spring, I made significant changes and resubmitted the piece in this cycle. I didn't realize, however, that I should have signaled this in my cover letter. Does anyone have thoughts about whether the editors recognize re-submissions, and how likely it is that I will get a fair reading in this cycle?
Posted by: MoreAnon | Aug 24, 2011 11:16:07 AM