Monday, September 19, 2011
Open Thread for Law Review "Angsting"
Updated and bounced to the front:
Redyip has finally been sighted for the season. The question is: has he departed for good until the spring? Are the law reviews still open for business and making offers?
Since we had such a successful thread this past spring about the submission season, I figured we should start a new thread for a joy/gripe-fest, a place where authors and editors can share stories and offer information about the upcoming submission season. Have at it!
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I sent out two articles the last week of July. One ended up with a top 100 placement, the other has a top 100 offer but is still in the expedite process. I haven't heard much out of top 50 journals, although it's not clear whether that's attributable to it being early in the season or whether it's just normal uncommunicativeness.
Posted by: Anon | Aug 9, 2011 9:18:12 AM
Sent an article out last week. Rejections from Chicago and Michigan so far.
Posted by: anon | Aug 9, 2011 4:56:30 PM
sent out an article last week as well. Six rejections already (Penn, Cardozo,among others).
Posted by: anontoo | Aug 9, 2011 7:18:43 PM
Rejections from Yale, Penn., Cal., Baylor.
Posted by: anon | Aug 10, 2011 8:48:54 AM
Got rejection from Utah stating that it's full (although it was still open on Expresso). Also rejection from Cardozo.
Posted by: Anon | Aug 10, 2011 9:54:33 AM
Submitted via Expresso on August 6; followed up with journals that just opened on August 10.
So far, rejection (near instantaneous) from Chicago, confirmation from Michigan, radio silence otherwise.
Posted by: kal | Aug 11, 2011 4:29:02 PM
Rejection from Ohio State.
Posted by: anon | Aug 11, 2011 5:10:48 PM
Made it to the final round of review by the Stanford Law Review. Rejected by Michigan, California, Penn and Baylor. Radio silence from about 50 other law reviews. I haven't received any letterhead rejections yet (namely, rejections that come so promptly that there is no chance the editor even glanced at your article). I'm not sure if the review process for many law reviews isn't in full swing yet.
Posted by: anon | Aug 12, 2011 1:27:22 PM
Rejection from NYU.
Posted by: anon | Aug 15, 2011 11:44:01 AM
Submitted Saturday. Rejection from Baylor. Request to confirm article is still available from Boston University.
Posted by: anon | Aug 15, 2011 4:03:15 PM
Here's my situation; any feedback would be appreciated.
My article was accepted by a law review from a school with a US News ranking in the 80s. I just got another offer from a school about 7 spots "below" the first school on the US News rankings. The school with the higher US News ranking, however, has a much lower W & L ranking for frequency of citation and overall impact. I feel silly asking this, with the focus of the stupid US News rankings being at the heart of my question, but the game is what it is. So, my question is whether I should consider the 7 spots important, or should just go with the school that's 7 spots lower, but much higher in the W & L rankings. Is it silly to even think about this much? It's not like we're talking about a USN 80s versus a 20s or something.
Posted by: Anotheranon | Aug 15, 2011 4:21:27 PM
A small request -- as commenters post the schools they have heard from, I think many of us would find it helpful to know when people submitted. That may make it a little easier to figure out whether our pieces are still alive in the process (if someone submitted after us but has already received a response) or whether the editors simply haven't gotten to our piece yet.
Posted by: kal | Aug 15, 2011 4:38:43 PM
Anotheranon at 4:21, I think your offers are indistinguishable. I'd go with whichever school offers you a better publishing schedule (if that's important to you), lead article status (if that's important to you), or even just with whichever one seems more enthusiastic.
Congratulations on your offers!
Posted by: kal | Aug 15, 2011 4:40:47 PM
Thanks Kal for your input; that was what I figured. Does anyone else have a different take?
FYI, I started submitting on Expresso on the 9th, but most of my submissions were on the 11-12.
Posted by: Anotheranon | Aug 15, 2011 5:41:07 PM
Anotheranon--I'd go with the journal ranked higher in WL. Those rankings tend to fluctuate less than US News. Another helpful decision point can be a school's peer review score in US News.
Submitted a week ago. Received decisions from NYU, Chicago, Michigan, Cal, Baylor, San Diego, Seton Hall, Tennessee, and Marquette.
Has anyone heard from schools ranked b/w 20-50 other than Cardozo? Many thanks.
Posted by: DCBSM | Aug 16, 2011 10:00:24 AM
I submitted to a number of top 50 journals via Expresso on August 7. As of this morning, the following journals had not even confirmed receipt (via Express or otherwise) of my submission: Alabama Law Review, American University Law Review, California Law Review, Florida Law Review, Fordham Law Review, Georgia Law Review, Notre Dame Law Review, Ohio State Law Journal, Southern California Law Review, Texas Law Review, Virginia Law Review, Wake Forest Law Review, Washington Law Review and Wisconsin Law Review.
I have not heard back from any of the journals to which I submitted, other than a rejection from the Michigan Law Review.
Posted by: MidwestProf | Aug 16, 2011 3:00:10 PM
I have had the same experience as MidwestProf, including the Michigan rejection. I submitted on August 8.
Posted by: anon | Aug 16, 2011 3:44:40 PM
Roughly the same experience as the prior two commenters. I submitted a bit earlier and have been rejected by Yale and Minnesota additionally. Based on a small number of anecdotes, it seems like a substantial number of top 50ish journals are starting serious review this week or next.
Posted by: anon2 | Aug 16, 2011 4:30:29 PM
Pepperdine is full until 2012
Posted by: anon | Aug 16, 2011 6:50:36 PM
Submitted 8/14. Top 150 (is there even such a thing?) offer 8/16. Requested expedites from 50-150ish this morning.
Posted by: anon | Aug 17, 2011 9:42:20 AM
Just to add some levity here, I got a ding email yesterday from Washington Univ. Law Review for an article submitted LAST YEAR around this time and which was published in the Utah Law Review this spring. Thanks for promptly reviewing submissions folks!
Posted by: Brian Clarke | Aug 17, 2011 10:07:50 AM
For offer deadlines, what is the understanding/custom regarding when exactly the offer expires. Five o'clock? Author's time or law review's time?
Posted by: New at this | Aug 17, 2011 12:15:52 PM
If the law review doesn't specify a time, I write and suggest one.
Posted by: Patrick Luff | Aug 17, 2011 12:48:58 PM
Rejections from Georgetown and BYU. Offers from 3 in the US News 90-110 range. Submitted 8/14.
Posted by: Anon | Aug 17, 2011 9:04:48 PM
Georgetown rejection. Submitted 8/8.
Posted by: Anon | Aug 17, 2011 10:23:31 PM
Rejections from Stanford and Kentucky. Submitted 8/1.
Posted by: anono | Aug 18, 2011 2:28:56 PM
Rejection from Chicago. Submitted August 8.
Posted by: anon | Aug 18, 2011 2:41:24 PM
Submitted via ExpressO approximately 12 hours ago and have already received my first rejection from Washington Law Review.
Posted by: anon | Aug 19, 2011 9:09:17 AM
Has anyone had an expedite deadline that fell on a Saturday or Sunday? Any thoughts on whether this is uncommon or problematic? Any input is appreciated!
Posted by: anono | Aug 19, 2011 10:32:27 AM
Ohio State L. J. (a journal which had never confirmed receipt of my submission on Expresso) declined my piece. As noted above, I submitted via Expresso on August 7.
Colorado L. Rev. is also temporarily full.
Posted by: MidwestProf | Aug 19, 2011 12:56:00 PM
When you get a personalized rejection or confirmation of receipt email (i.e., an email directly to you, addressed to you, and referring to your article by title), do folks typically respond with a short thank you? Or do you not respond and wait for further (if any) communication?
Posted by: anon | Aug 19, 2011 1:00:09 PM
Some (subjective) answers to questions above. 1. Probably you shouldn't respond to any correspondence from a journal that does not directly ask you to respond -- they just get an enormous amount of e-mail and occasionally one hears of editors admitting to being irrationally angry at people who needlessly clog the inbox. Most of the stuff that looks "personalized" is automated.
2. I've had expedite deadlines on a Sunday. Not always problematic at other journals, but if so you can ask for an extension. (But I reiterate my general view that you shouldn't ask for extensions if you don't have good reason to believe another journal actually needs more time).
Posted by: BDG | Aug 19, 2011 4:03:02 PM
Just received a third offer; this time from a law review from a school with a US News ranking in the 60s. Sorry I can't be more specific.
Posted by: Anotheranon | Aug 19, 2011 4:44:01 PM
Oh, and I should also mention my dings: Columbia, Chicago, NYU, Penn, Boalt, Northwestern, Georgetown, Georgia, Hastings, Colorado, American, Baylor, Case Western and Kentucky.
Posted by: Anotheranon | Aug 20, 2011 7:04:49 AM
Submitted 8/8. Rejections at Yale, Chicago, Michigan, Berkeley, Davis, Ohio State, George Mason (full), BYU, Cardozo.
If people who submitted substantially later than us are getting rejected at journals we have not heard from, does that suggest we are still alive in the process at those journals? Or does that read too much order into the process?
Posted by: kal | Aug 20, 2011 9:49:39 AM
Kal--I submitted around the same time as you, and have not heard from (or even received acknowledgments of receipt on ExpressO from) several journals that both you and Anotheranon have mentioned. So my sense is that randomness prevails.
Posted by: a to the non | Aug 20, 2011 10:59:20 AM
Kal-- I'm in the same boat. It could mean that my submission is still alive "in the process". Or it could mean that the "process" has not even started for my piece-- i.e. that editors have not bothered to review my piece yet based on its subject matter and/or my letterhead.
Posted by: MidwestProf | Aug 20, 2011 12:59:27 PM
Rejections from Florida and BU.
Posted by: Anon | Aug 20, 2011 3:32:08 PM
I'm curious if people are getting fewer email responses to expedite requests and ExpressO acknowledgments of receipt than in previous years. I feel like there's a lot more silence than I'm used to. (Or maybe that says more about my article this time....) I'm also wondering whether anyone this cycle has gotten an offer out of the blue after an expedite request (i.e., not from a journal that responded by email to the request).
Posted by: a to the non | Aug 20, 2011 10:20:57 PM
Is it worth sending out a new expedite request with a deadline that is only one day later than the previous expedite request, but the new offer is from a significantly more highly ranked journal?
Posted by: anon | Aug 21, 2011 9:39:39 AM
Anon @ 9:39 am - Yes, by all means. It extends your deadline and provides potentially valuable signaling about the desirability of your article.
Posted by: Anonity | Aug 21, 2011 9:44:47 AM
If you are contacted by a law review and told that your article has made it past the initial review, what are the chances of getting an offer? I know this probably differs by journal, but any thoughts would be appreciated.
Posted by: anon | Aug 22, 2011 12:52:58 PM
it's like the law professor version of law school admissions. how cute.
Posted by: guest | Aug 22, 2011 1:17:21 PM
Some rejections are much more positive than others (e.g., We have not selected your piece vs. We liked your piece but regret that we have no more space, please keep us mind for future submissions). I have always assumed that all rejection emails are the same for any given law review and that the "positive" rejections don't really convey any opinion about your piece. Can anyone confirm or deny this?
Posted by: Stuart Ford | Aug 22, 2011 5:35:10 PM
Anon at 12:52--it does vary by journal; I think an extremely rough rule of thumb is 1/5.
Stuart--I think you're generally right. However, some journals (i.e., Chicago) will let you know whether you made it to full review (the "normal" rejection is a nice, polite "no thanks," whereas "the rejection after full review" says something like "your article provoked a long and interesting discussion").
Posted by: a to the non | Aug 22, 2011 6:05:30 PM
Submitted to top 70 on 8/19. (Minus several that are full.) rejected quickly from Georgetown, Penn, Michigan. I will probably add another 10-15 journals tonight.
Posted by: Dude | Aug 22, 2011 9:34:41 PM
I submitted on 8/15 and have only received one, very quick, rejection from U. Chicago. Other than that, radio silence. I've never gone this long without several rejections. It just seems odd.
Posted by: Anon-4-evah | Aug 22, 2011 10:04:55 PM
Rejections from Cornell and BYU.
Posted by: anon | Aug 23, 2011 12:43:41 PM
BDG: How do you decide whether a journal has a good reason to ask for more time to review your submission after you put in a request to expedite? At what point are you willing to ask for an extension from the journal that has offered publication?
Posted by: anon | Aug 23, 2011 2:52:39 PM
Per Anon-4-evah's comment. It does seem awfully quiet out there. I got out a bit later than you- but I'm not reading too much into it yet. I mean, who knows?
Posted by: Dude | Aug 23, 2011 6:25:50 PM
Top 50 law reviews are slowly beginning to get back to me... but only after I made an expedite request due to an offer I got from a specialty journal of a top 10 school. After my expedite request, I heard back from the law reviews of Cornell, Vanderbilt, Duke, Boston University, and Washington (Seattle).
Posted by: MidwestProf | Aug 23, 2011 11:05:49 PM
Midwest Prof--sorry, do you mean you received decisions from these journals or that they sent an email acknowledging your expedite request? Thanks.
Posted by: anon | Aug 23, 2011 11:21:47 PM
Submitted 8/22 to a number of general journals in the top 100 range, plus a few specialty journals. Quick ding from Baylor. Receipt acknowledgements from several general journals, including: BC, Columbia, Connecticut, Cornell, Duke, Emory, FSU, Michigan, Minnesota, NYU, Chicago, Vandy, Wash U, and Wisconsin.
Posted by: TF | Aug 23, 2011 11:48:23 PM
Anon @ 11:21:47 PM, I received decisions from said law reviews-- all within 72 hours of my expedite request and all declining to publish.
Posted by: MidwestProf | Aug 24, 2011 12:08:38 AM
@anon 2:52 -- my rule of thumb is that I won't ask for an extension unless another journal has told me that they're potentially interested but they need more time (e.g., I was recently told by one very good journal that they won't be making any decisions on expedites until Sept. 1). Your mileage may vary, but something other than silence or rejection seems like a minimum fair standard to me. Others might argue that offers with only one- or two-week windows are unreasonably short, and that there is therefore nothing wrong with asking for an extension. I don't agree with that view (as I've said before, because I think the system doesn't work especially well if everyone routinely asks for extensions), but I don't think it's obviously wrong.
Posted by: BDG | Aug 24, 2011 9:27:07 AM
Thanks MidwestProf, and congrats on your offer. I've recently received dings from Chicago, Michigan, Virginia, Columbia, Stanford, and BU.
Posted by: anon | Aug 24, 2011 10:41:21 AM
Does anyone know if I should I attach significance to the fact that my submission (my first experience w/ this process) did NOT get an acknowledgement or receipt from many of the journals who sent TF and others a receipt? Is acknowledgement an automatic process such that I should consider the possibility that something went amiss in transmission of my article, or is it a matter of different student editors getting around to these things at different times, or, (alas) another layer of school-status discrimination? (I sent my article to about 70 journals from 7/31 to 8/15, using a mix of Expresso and direct email, and I did receive some acknowledgements.) Thanks.
Posted by: novice anon | Aug 24, 2011 10:44:04 AM
I submitted three days ago and just received an offer from a high tier-two (low tier-one, depending on which rankings you use) specialty journal. They've given me a very short deadline, so I asked for an extension. My question is this: should I name the specialty journal in the expedite request? Or, would it be better to not disclose this information?
Posted by: dt | Aug 24, 2011 10:46:10 AM
Any thoughts on offers from T14 specialty journals in comparison to offers from main law reviews outside of the top 50 or so schools?
Posted by: anono | Aug 24, 2011 11:11:24 AM
After declining unsatisfactory offers last Spring, I made significant changes and resubmitted the piece in this cycle. I didn't realize, however, that I should have signaled this in my cover letter. Does anyone have thoughts about whether the editors recognize re-submissions, and how likely it is that I will get a fair reading in this cycle?
Posted by: MoreAnon | Aug 24, 2011 11:16:07 AM
dt -- my understanding is that if you fail to provide the name of the journal, it's very unlikely that your expedite request will be taken seriously.
novice anon -- you shouldn't worry about not receiving an acknowledgment. For those submissions that you made through Expresso, you can check to see if the journal acknowledged receipt electronically. If you hadn't received any acknowledgments, it might be cause for alarm, but given that many folks have mentioned that things have been very quiet (even on the acknowledgment side) you're fine.
Posted by: Expediter | Aug 24, 2011 11:33:15 AM
MoreAnon at 11:16: There is another thread devoted to this topic. (See, "Resubmission Etiquette") As I read that thread, there is a marginal concern if an identical piece is submitted to the same board with no signal, but no established norm that requires "signaling" - especially if the resubmission is to a different board.
A piece that has been truly "substantially revised" is not a "resubmission."
Posted by: anon | Aug 24, 2011 11:41:44 AM
On 8/2, I submitted to journals around 40 and lower. Quick rejection from Cardozo. Around 8/5 I submitted to more journals higher up.
Offer from main journal at school in US News 70s early the following week. Expedited.
Rejections from Ohio State, Utah (said was full but still open on Expresso). Asked for more time on the offer because was told a few schools couldn't get to it in time.
Rejections came from Penn, Lewis & Clark, Chicago, Stanford, Colorado (actually rejected me twice, once because they didn't want the piece and then again because they're full), Boston University, Boston College, Michigan, and UCLA.
Ended up with offer from main journal at school in US News 40's. After expedite, additional rejections from UC Davis, NYU, Duke, California, Florida, and Georgetown. Accepted my offer.
Can't speak to whether it's quieter than normal because this was my first fall submission. This is definitely more lively than an offseason submission I did last December, but obviously quieter than spring.
Other advice: think nothing of a school's failure to acknowledge either a submission or an expedite and include journal name in expedite.
Posted by: 2dYrProf | Aug 24, 2011 12:04:17 PM
Thanks, Anon@11:41. The resubmission etiquette post is what made me think I did something wrong. The piece is substantially changed, but I did not signal that in the cover letter, and kept the title the same. I'm afraid the editors might be rejecting without reading, assuming it's the same piece. Is this worth an ExpressO update with a new cover letter???
Posted by: MoreAnon | Aug 24, 2011 1:11:56 PM
My sense is that the 3rd tier and low-2nd tier schools actively are reviewing and offering while the 1st tier schools are a bit behind them (perhaps intentionally deferring to them to sort the wheat from the chaff?) My story...Submitted 8/13 to Tiers 1 through 3 (generally). Quick rejections from Baylor and BYU. Received 3rd Tier offer. Expedited to 2nd and some 3rd tier schools. Peer-reviewed offer. Rejections from BU, UVA, UC-Davis, OSU, Georgia, Georgetown, Cornell and a few secondary journals. Received a few more offers from low-2nd and high-3rd tier schools. On 8/21, sent expedite requests to 1st tier schools and updated expedite requests to 2nd tier schools. Over the last few days, I have received a handful of "we will expedite" confirmations from NYU, Duke, Harvard, Columbia, UCLA and others. I have not received any post-expedite rejections yet (emphasis on the "yet"). Also just received another low-2nd tier offer (with which I'm quite happy) yesterday.
Bottom line...stay patient. And if you're getting nervous, perhaps dig a little deeper in the rankings with your submissions. There are some great law reviews housed at schools with low-ish US News rankings.
Posted by: happy 4th tier prof | Aug 24, 2011 1:29:51 PM
More Anon: I would recommend that you stop this questioning on these blogs. The original post to which you refer stated, quite clearly, that no definitive answer is possible. No one can answer your question. At this point, you are belaboring (and perhaps creating) an "issue" based on a post by someone who prefaced the entire discussion "with the warning that my sense of ethics may be a little over-developed."
Posted by: anon | Aug 24, 2011 1:44:49 PM
Anyone know how to access a recent listing of the W&L law review rankings based on article citations and/or court citations? The actual W&L site has been down for a while and I bet many of us are approaching decision dates. I think at least seeing a list would help some of us newbies make decisions among multiple offers. I found an article on SSRN from '07 but am looking for something a bit more current.
Posted by: happy 4th tier prof | Aug 24, 2011 3:11:12 PM
It's not strictly W&L rankings, but the Hofstra "Submission Tracking Spreadsheet" available at http://law.hofstra.edu/FacultyStaff/facsta_services.html uses a mixture of W&L and USnews, I think?
Posted by: still hoping | Aug 24, 2011 3:16:23 PM
Anon @1:44, I'm not sure I understand the hostile tone of your response. The post on "resubmission etiquette" does not actually respond to my questions about (1) whether editors RECOGNIZE a re-submission, and (2) whether editors are likely to give what they perceive to be a resubmission a 2nd read without a signal that the piece has been significantly changed. In fact, the post seems to suggest that editors might NOT be able to identify a re-submission, hence the conclusion that it is only fair to disclose so that editors can decide whether to benefit from their initial screening. In any event, I was hoping to get a sense from others on this thread for what their experience has been in this regard. If you don't like my questions, then please don't respond to them. If others feel the same, they won't respond either, and that'll be the end of my line of questioning. Good luck to you in this submission cycle.
Posted by: MoreAnon | Aug 24, 2011 3:20:04 PM
novice anon -- As others have said, I wouldn't worry. My list came from both ExpressO confirmations and emails from the student editors. (Why more student editors do not click the "acknowledgement" button is beyond me, but that is beside the point.) Rest assured that your ExpressO submissions arrived.
dt -- Include the name. I once didn't and it was to my detriment.
happy 4th tier prof & still hoping -- That list is perhaps more useful than nothing at all, but it intermingles the specialty journals with the general journals, which I think can be more confusing than helpful.
Posted by: TF | Aug 24, 2011 3:32:32 PM
happy 4th tier prof (and everyone interested in journal rankings) -- Nancy Levit and Allen Rostron at UMKC Law School put together a great piece each year that focuses on the submissions policies (and contact info) for the journals and that includes the rankings (near the end). It's available: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1019029.
The one downside is that it DOES NOT include specialty journals.
Posted by: anon | Aug 24, 2011 3:39:20 PM
Since it was my post, a word or two on resubmissions. I'm not sure that journal editors can identify resubmissions at the screening stage, which, as another commentator noted, is why I think it's a nice thing to disclose. If articles editors serve as screeners, then in all likelihood the screener who rejected your piece the first time will recognize it, should it advance to a full-committee vote. At that point, it would probably be useful to be able to offer some explanation for why that editor should change her mind.
So I'd view the omission of that explanation from a cover letter as (from the point of view of your own self-interest) most likely at worst just a missed opportunity, and one you can remedy in an expedite request letter to any journal that rejected the ms. previously.
Posted by: BDG | Aug 24, 2011 4:55:08 PM
@anon 3:39 and still hoping - thank you for the links. very helpful. i'm trying to compare a tier 1 specialty journal and a borderline tier2/3 main law review. think i'll go with the former.
Posted by: happy 4th tier prof | Aug 24, 2011 7:47:47 PM
As per an automated email, Michigan is done for its current volume, but will be accepting submissions for its next volume starting October 1st.
Posted by: New at this | Aug 25, 2011 10:57:31 AM
I write mostly in a specialty area (international law), but usually submit to both general and international law specialty journals. This time around I submitted to about 60 general and 60 international law journals. My impression is that the general journals are more on top of the process at the moment than the international law specialty journals. I have received 10 rejections from general law reviews (Baylor, NYU, San Diego, Michigan, Chicago, Ohio State, California and Minnesota - in that order) but only from 5 international law reviews (Stanford, George Washington, Georgetown, Oregon and Yale - again, in that order).
One possible explanation is that general law reviews are simply rejecting my article because of its subject matter, while international journals are giving it closer consideration, again because of its subject matter. But my feeling is that the international law journals are slower to respond this Fall than they have been in the two previous years.
I actually keep my rejection emails for earlier articles, so I guess I could plot the rate of rejections from general and specialty journals for different years, but right now I can't be bothered (my time would be better spent working on my next article). So far I only have three articles' worth of data. Maybe once I have seven or eight articles' worth of data, it might be worth doing some time series analysis of it.
Posted by: anon | Aug 25, 2011 12:45:37 PM
Any thoughts on the latest date it's worth submitting for this cycle? Thanks.
Posted by: anon | Aug 25, 2011 3:44:10 PM
I wonder how many folks (a) withdraw their manuscripts from lower-ranked journals immediately after receiving (or accepting) an offer from a higher-ranked journal versus (b) keeping the manuscript under consideration at the lower-ranked journals, just out of laziness, curiosity or, more cynically, in hopes of collecting an additional publication offer to use as leverage in the expediting process? Option (a) takes extra work: you have to contact each journal to withdraw your submission (or at least click the right boxes on Expresso). Option (b), in contrast, seems unethical, as it creates unnecessary work for already overburdened student-editors and slows down the process for other manuscripts. Any justification for Option (b)? And, if not, do we think folks are diligent about withdrawing their manuscripts from lower-ranked journals?
Incidentally, I can report recent additional rejections from Minn. L. Rev. and Cal. L. Rev. (the latter within 24 hours confirming receipt on Expresso). Also, I recently received an offer from a top-ranked specialty journal, but only after making an expedite request from a lower-ranked specialty journal.
Posted by: MidwestProf | Aug 25, 2011 5:59:31 PM
People throw around the term "unethical" quite lightly on these blogs. It seems that there is no shortage of those who use this term, and in ways that make no common sense.
So, the writer claims, it seems "unethical" to fail to notify a "lower ranked" review of an acceptance?
Really? So, is an "exploding offer" unethical because it requires no further communication by the review after the time has passed to accept it?
What "extra work" for "overburdened student-editors" is created by the passing of a deadline of their own creation without further notice?
Get over it, for the love of Pete!
Posted by: anon | Aug 25, 2011 6:13:28 PM
Expedite question: Do people find that offers off of an expedite come on the last day of an expedite, or earlier in the process, or that it varies?
Posted by: a | Aug 25, 2011 7:01:12 PM
Midwest Prof: I withdraw from journals at the same time I send out expedite requests. I still remember being a student editor ~10 years ago, and I wouldn't want to make the editors spend their time reading a piece they have no chance of getting.
a: In my experience it's most common to get an offer the day before expiration, but this cycle I got an offer at 7:00pm on the day the expedite expired. At least for me, though, it's rare that it happens much earlier than one day before the deadline. I suspect a lot of the journals are struggling to keep up with expedite deadlines.
Posted by: Still hoping | Aug 25, 2011 10:57:15 PM
I think it is unethical to submit to journals that one intends to use as pawns, thereby keeping them "struggling to keep up with expedite deadlines."
Posted by: anon | Aug 25, 2011 11:31:49 PM
I now have an offer from a journal at a school in the 70s. Do most people expedite all the way up to the top 20 schools at this point? Or would you just expedite to (say) the 60s through 30s and wait to expedite to the top 20 until you had an offer in the 40s or 50s?
I'm still relatively new to this and I don't know whether top 20 schools care about an offer in the 70s. (Or is the offer from whatever journal just the prerequisite to getting top schools to read the article and it doesn't matter too much where the offer is from?)
Posted by: anon | Aug 25, 2011 11:37:01 PM
To anon at 11:37:01. I think at this point you should expedite all the way up. I have been told by several different EICs that an expedite from a main journal at any top 100 school would draw their attention and that they typically do not draw such fine distinctions between an expedite from a school in the 70s and a school in the 30s. Perhaps a school in the 20s would get their attention more, but on EIC of a top ten school actually indicated to me that they feel guilty "stealing" a piece from what they consider a peer school after they had put all the work into reviewing it (that's just one EIC's perspective, so take it with a grain of salt).
Another consideration is that at this stage of the game, there aren't a ton of slots open at the different law reviews. So even if certain law schools do differentiate between an expedite from a school in the 70s and a school in the 40s, the costs to staging the expedite right now may be greater than any marginal benefits that may be gained. And a final cost to staging is that there is always the possibility that no review in the 30-60 would be willing to give you an offer but a top 20 law review would. You just never know. But if you stage the expedite, you may never find out.
Posted by: FWIW | Aug 26, 2011 12:44:45 AM
Does anyone have a ranking list for health law specialty journals?
Posted by: TF | Aug 26, 2011 4:19:31 PM
Has anyone heard of a rule of thumb for weighing an offer from a specialty journal at a highly ranked school versus an offer from a main law review at a school that is ranked lower? I've heard something like add 40 to the ranking of the school of the specialty journal for comparison purposes.
Posted by: anon | Aug 26, 2011 4:25:41 PM
Still Hoping (or anyone else who can answer), I take it that when you got your 7 pm offer, you were waiting until midnight to accept the offer? Do I literally have to stay up until midnight tonight, or can I just accept first thing tomorrow morning if today is the deadline and no offers come in tonight? Sorry if this question seems silly, but I don't want to lose a good offer.
Posted by: Anonolicious | Aug 26, 2011 9:04:41 PM
@anonolicious...I'd accept now or at least before midnight. I doubt that many law students are giving up their Friday night to debate the merits of your piece. Can't see how waiting any longer is worth the risk.
Posted by: happy 4th tier prof | Aug 26, 2011 9:40:16 PM
Still searching for a source that ranks specialty journals in each field or, even better, one that includes both main law reviews and specialty journals on the same scale. None of the above suggested sources does either and I have no idea when the W&L ranking site will be operational again. An printouts available?
Posted by: happy 4th tier prof | Aug 26, 2011 9:43:07 PM
happy 4th tier, thanks for the advice. I just accepted.
Posted by: Anonolicious | Aug 26, 2011 9:50:23 PM
anon @ 4:25:41 PM, I think many people apply the "rule of thumb" you describe, but I also think that this is only a very rough guide, to use only when you have no better information to go by.
As a practical matter, I would think that if you're researching/ writing in a specific field, you should know which are the top specialty journals in that field. In my field (corporate law), for example, the oldest and top-ranked specialty journal (the Journal of Corporation Law) is published by the University of Iowa and the arguably second (perhaps third) most important specialty journal (Delaware Journal of Corporate Law) is published by a third or fourth tier school (Widner). Both of these journals are older and more well-regarded than the more recently established specialty business journals published by NYU, Virgina, Penn, Berkley Standard, Harvard and Columbia (although Columbia's journal is arguably more established and well-regarded in the field).
Posted by: Corp Prof | Aug 27, 2011 2:49:52 PM
I submitted on Aug. 24. Offer from a top 10 specialty journal/top 25 school and received a will expedite response from 3 top 30 schools. Michigan Law Rev closed auto-reply. Else radio silence. Does it make sense to wait? Have the top 50 law reviews completed their review and just too flooded to reply or is the field still open?
Posted by: anon11 | Aug 27, 2011 8:41:28 PM
@anon11: I have a similar story. I submitted on 8/22, received an offer from a respected specialty journal on 8/26, and expedited the same day. I've received a number of will-expedite responses from 3 journals at tier 1 schools, and some additional tier 1 schools acknowledged receipt via ExpressO. FWIW, I'm waiting a bit. My hunch is that they wouldn't confirm the expedite if they didn't have any space; they'd just reject and tell you to take the other offer.
Posted by: TF | Aug 28, 2011 2:48:10 AM
I've had pieces in the last three August cycles, and this is by far the quietest the top 50 journals have ever been. Few are responding to expedite requests, and even the ones that send "we will expedite" emails are not following up at the deadline. I think they must be beyond swamped!
Posted by: anon | Aug 28, 2011 10:42:01 AM
This is my first time submitting, but it has not seemed so quiet. I submitted on 8/18 to about the top 100, plus specialty journals, got an offer from a lower-ranked speciality on 8/22 and sent out an expedite request. As of now, I'm received some kind of confirmation from about 3/4 fo the top 30ish. The response rate is lower the further I look down the rankings. Not sure why that would be.
Rejections are trickling in at a rate of about 1 per day, but I've still got some time left till my deadline. I'm thinking (hoping) that any additional acceptances will come at the last minute.
Posted by: hey-anon-anon-y | Aug 28, 2011 1:24:35 PM
anon | Aug 28, 2011 10:42:01 AM:
Is it possible that there is an embargo on offers during August? Before Labor Day?
I've been reading this blog, and see very few reports of offers by Tier "1" journals ... It may be that authors are not posting those offers, but, is it possible there is such an agreement?
FWIW, the point of the agreement would be to foreclose numerous expedite requests before the reviews have the opportunity to gear up after the summer to deal with the requests.
Of course, this sort of agreement would disadvantage "lower ranked" journals. Those journals would have a incentive to make MORE exploding offers in August, and that doesn't seem to be happening either.
Posted by: anon | Aug 28, 2011 6:24:59 PM
Anyone have a link to a list of top specialty journals in various fields? I'm fortunately weighing offers from 3 specialty journals (from top 10, top 25, and top 50 schools) versus a tier 2 main law review. I have reviewed recent articles in each but cannot draw any definite conclusions from that process. With the W&L site down, does anyone have another available source? Or should I just curse myself for never thinking to actually *print* a list?
Posted by: confused prof | Aug 28, 2011 7:46:30 PM
Submitted 8/8. Current list of rejections: Yale, Chicago, Michigan, Berkeley, UVA, Cornell, Georgetown, Vanderbilt, Minnesota, Davis, Ohio State, George Mason, BYU, Cardozo.
Finding the process very frustrating and slow this time around. My last piece placed in a top 20 main law review, and I've hit the top 50 several times, so perhaps it will be some comfort to those newer at the process to know that things are just moving slowly.
Posted by: kal | Aug 28, 2011 11:09:55 PM
Similar situation to kal. Decent history of placements. Submitted 8/20 to 50 journals. Rejections from Yale, Chicago, Michigan, Cal, Virginia, Penn, Georgetown, Duke. At least one of them after full committee review.
Posted by: P-rawf | Aug 29, 2011 9:29:26 AM
P-raf and kal:
Keep us posted when you get offers!
Posted by: anon | Aug 29, 2011 3:07:53 PM
Expedited 8/26 and received a better offer earlier today from a main journal at a tier 2 school. Also received a few rejections off the expedite, including Yale, Virginia, Michigan, Minnesota, and Cornell. Wondering what might come from the second expedite...
Posted by: TF | Aug 29, 2011 3:56:24 PM
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