Monday, September 19, 2011
Law School Hiring, 2011-2012, Thread One
NB: Bounced to the front every ten days or so.
We invite those on the market to leave comments on this thread regarding whether they have received:
(a) a first round interview at a school (including the subject areas the school mentioned, if any, as being of particular interest, and whether the interview offer was accepted);
(b) a callback from a law school and/or accepted it; or
(c) an offer from a law school and/or accepted it; feel free to also leave details about the offer, including teaching load, research leave, etc. A school listed as "offer accepted" may have made more than one offer and may still have some slots open.
Law professors may also choose to provide information that is relevant to the entry-level or the lateral market.
Four miscellaneous things:
1. If you don't want your contact information displayed, enter firstname.lastname@example.org or something like that as an email address.
2. There is a separate thread, "A Clearinghouse for Questions," for general questions or comments about the teaching market. Please do not use the thread below for general questions or comments. (Such comments will be deleted, not out of hostility or in a judgy way, just to keep this thread focused.)
3. There's quite a cache of materials relevant to the law job market under the archive category Getting a Job on the Law Teaching Market. The clearinghouse for questions thread from 2010-2011 is here.
4. Finally, in each of the last three years, someone who is on the market has volunteered to aggregate the information on a spreadsheet. If you would like to volunteer, please contact me directly at slawsky *at* law *dot* uci *dot* edu, and I will get you set up.
4. We now have an aggregator, and we will thus continue our spreadsheet approach: All information should come in through the comments. Our aggregator will use a spreadsheet to aggregate the information. Only the aggregator will be able to edit the spreadsheet, but when the aggregator edits the spreadsheet, those changes will be reflected in the embedded, downloadable version below.
Here is the spreadsheet, which is downloadable.
Please be patient with the aggregator, who will try to update this spreadsheet once a day, but may have a job, and perhaps may even be on the market.
UPDATE: Members of hiring committees, if you see something incorrect in the comments (e.g., someone says they have an entry-level interview at your school, but you haven't scheduled any entry-level interviews), please email me directly, slawsky *at* law *dot* uci *dot* edu, and I will take corrective action (which sounds more exciting than it is--I'll delete or amend the comment and adjust the spreadsheet, and if the person at that IP address persists in posting incorrect information, I will block the IP address).
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Let the hang ringing begin!
Posted by: Patrick Luff | Aug 16, 2011 8:57:09 AM
See what this process does to people. Make that *hand wringing".
Posted by: Patrick Luff | Aug 16, 2011 8:58:44 AM
2 prior comments were deleted because we have hashed out the pros and cons and all the meta-discussion on this topic endlessly before. I will continue to delete any meta-conversation about this thread on this thread or others on Prawfs. Sorry in advance to those who are not benefited. Please avert your eyes.
Posted by: Dan Markel | Aug 16, 2011 1:15:08 PM
I accepted a first-round interview invitation from a school ranked in the 50-100 range this afternoon. My areas are CivPro and related subjects. I'm not sure if the law school would appreciate me stating their name. I know it's not much help to the aggregator, but at the very least, it lets you know that at least one school is calling. A VAST majority probably have not started calling, however, but I'm no authority on that.
Posted by: Anonolicious | Aug 17, 2011 5:39:39 PM
GSA: It is up to you what you decide to share with the rest of this community, but I will not be adding information to the spreadsheet without the name of the school.
My personal take: It may be true that no particular school wants to be the first one out of the starting gate. Then again, maybe the opposite is true. Anonolicious, I encourage you to repost with the school's name as the process progresses.
Best of luck to everyone.
Posted by: the aggregator | Aug 17, 2011 6:47:28 PM
Another tier four AALS invitation via email. Will post the name of the school early next week. (It seems things are starting to pick up.) My areas are civ pro and health law.
Aspiring Prawf - I hear 5 is a good minimum.
Posted by: Prawf Hopeful | Aug 19, 2011 5:31:01 PM
I dunno what constitutes Tier 1-4 (what are the specific parameters?), but I accepted an interview on Friday with a school in the 50-75 range. My teaching interests are fairly specialized, but I guess my first year type courses would be Property and Corporations.
Posted by: Boourns | Aug 21, 2011 9:09:06 AM
Folks, it seems there are a fair number of schools issuing interview invites. Please start posting the names of the schools. Thanks.
Posted by: the aggregator | Aug 21, 2011 1:14:48 PM
Toledo, health and civ pro.
Posted by: Prawf Hopeful | Aug 21, 2011 1:44:57 PM
U Oklahoma, no particular area
Posted by: anon | Aug 21, 2011 2:56:33 PM
And to you as well, Aspiring Prawf!
Posted by: Prawf Hopeful | Aug 21, 2011 3:08:53 PM
From one law professor to aspiring prawfs everywhere, people should start posting their interviews and stop being paranoid. Hiring chairs are law professors who are absorbed with 30,000 things and aren't cyberstalking their interviewees (i.e., they couldn't care less whether 1 person they've extended an interview to has posted it anonymously on a website). Also, you're not the only person. Schools don't extend 1 interview and stop. So just post your interviews and don't be paranoid.
Posted by: don't be paranoid | Aug 21, 2011 3:12:29 PM
Ditto on Toledo, health law.
Posted by: anon | Aug 21, 2011 3:22:32 PM
University of Illinois
Posted by: Anon-o-lite | Aug 21, 2011 8:36:20 PM
Posted by: anon | Aug 22, 2011 12:46:18 PM
When did Indiana-Indianapolis call? For what area(s)?
Posted by: Curious | Aug 22, 2011 1:05:37 PM
I also heard from Indiana-Indianapolis for commercial law.
Posted by: Anon | Aug 22, 2011 1:39:53 PM
St. Louis University
Posted by: Annon | Aug 23, 2011 9:00:46 AM
Posted by: Acandidate | Aug 23, 2011 11:08:01 AM
Sorry, make that "UNC". Got to get coffee...
Posted by: Acandidate | Aug 23, 2011 11:12:35 AM
What areas for UNC and St. Louis? I don't understand why it's so hard for people to give that information ... maybe it's the lack of coffee!
Posted by: anon | Aug 23, 2011 11:18:45 AM
I also received a call for St. Louis for commercial law.
Posted by: Anon | Aug 23, 2011 12:19:42 PM
Loyola - L.A.
Posted by: anon | Aug 23, 2011 7:02:00 PM
Posted by: anon | Aug 24, 2011 8:57:47 AM
Western State, for torts.
Although I think that everyone should feel free to include as much information as they are comfortable sharing,I agree with "don't be paranoid". Unlike us faculty candidates who are checking this thread obsessively and desperate for information (myself included), appointments committee members have many other things occupying their time. Additionally, there is no reason to think that the fact that a school is starting to call candidates is some sort of top secret information that appointments committees want to keep others from knowing about. It isn't. So, don't be paranoid and just share what you know.
Posted by: anon | Aug 24, 2011 6:47:37 PM
Posted by: Bob Loblaw | Aug 25, 2011 7:06:19 AM
Houston and UC-Davis
Posted by: Saul Goodman | Aug 25, 2011 8:38:29 AM
Posted by: optimist | Aug 25, 2011 10:52:30 AM
I wanted to comment on the question about how many interviews justify attendance. I think that each prospect has to weigh the pros and the cons. For some, the expense to travel to the conference can be considerable. One interview may, or may not, justify the expense. This decision is a personal choice. When I was seeking to get into the academy I found it very competitive and challenging. Having now been in the academy for a number of years and also having chaired and served on the hiring commmittee for many years I can tell you that it is incredibly unscientific and, in many ways, unpredictable. Personally, if I could afford the expense, I would attend AALS if I had only one interview. This assumes that I would be willing to take a job at that school if offered. That said, please do NOT accept an interview with a school if you are not willing to accept a full-time position with them. We seek to find professors who fit our needs and fit our personality. The first step in the process for many is the initial AALS interview. Having gone through the process for many years, we quickly ascertain whether we want to bring a candidate back for additional interviews on campus. I do remember how difficult the process is and I wish everyone the best of luck.
Posted by: Committee Chair | Aug 25, 2011 11:01:20 AM
I was on the market in 2006. As of August 25, 2006, I had zero AALS interviews. Zero. I ended up with over thirty interview offers.
Posted by: Anon | Aug 25, 2011 12:25:30 PM
Case Western. Clinical.
Posted by: elle woods | Aug 25, 2011 1:30:21 PM
William & Mary, no specific area
Posted by: Anon | Aug 25, 2011 10:58:43 PM
Golden Gate University, civ pro
Posted by: Prawf Hopeful | Aug 26, 2011 3:06:17 PM
University of Florida
Posted by: Gene Parmesan | Aug 26, 2011 3:20:35 PM
Phone call from Western State, in Business Associations and Torts. E-mail from William & Mary, subject matter not disclosed.
Posted by: Anon | Aug 26, 2011 3:53:44 PM
U. of Washington. Temple. (torts)
Posted by: Anon | Aug 26, 2011 6:11:40 PM
Ditto on Temple.
Posted by: anon | Aug 26, 2011 6:13:51 PM
William & Mary and St. Mary's. No specified area.
Now I just need Maryland to complete the Mary trifecta. :P
Posted by: Kramer | Aug 26, 2011 7:47:29 PM
Temple, Miami (commercial/corporate)
Posted by: Anon123 | Aug 26, 2011 9:19:47 PM
U North Dakota, no area
Posted by: Anonidonis | Aug 26, 2011 9:50:22 PM
Worried about not yet having interviews! Are you kidding me? I'm on a hiring committee, we have been meeting for hours every week (no exaggeration) going over resumes, preferences, needs, candidates' potentials, colleagues concerns, etc., and we have yet to call one person. For those who are too nervous to understand: We have not made any calls to fill our interview slots. But we'll start soon.
Candidates should expect calls until the day of the conference. It's easy to become overly anxious with this process, but avoid that feeling through various distractions (preferably writing an article being among them)to the extent you can.
And don't make much of people having lots or few interviews. There's simply no way of knowing who'll have a job until offers a tendered.
See you in D.C.!
Posted by: AnonProf | Aug 26, 2011 10:24:54 PM
North Dakota, Indian law and unspecified
Posted by: Anonobot | Aug 26, 2011 11:05:40 PM
Vanderbilt, WashU, Illinois, UC Davis, UMKC, LSU, UC San Diego, Temple plus past Chicago's first screening round. (Civ Pro)
[LAWSKY: We have been advised that as of the morning of 8/30/11, WashU has not yet extended any offers for interviews.]
Posted by: anon | Aug 27, 2011 12:05:20 AM
Notre Dame, unspecified
Posted by: anon | Aug 27, 2011 12:32:05 AM
Posted by: Cantouchthis | Aug 27, 2011 2:54:46 AM
Kentucky, for an unspecified position
Posted by: al-anon | Aug 27, 2011 9:28:56 AM
Posted by: anon | Aug 27, 2011 11:04:34 AM
It might be worth adding, for people who are looking at this thread and seeing that a school has called others but not them, that many committees take a look at the distributions a piece at a time, over multiple meetings. Just because you haven't been called by a school that is calling others does not mean you won't be called, and it really doesn't signify much about the school's interest, or lack of interest, in you. It is still very early.
Posted by: dave hoffman | Aug 28, 2011 7:53:55 PM
Folks, let's try to keep the commentary to a minimum and focus on the reporting. Let's also try to keep in mind that this is a stressful and uncertain process for all of us. Many thanks.
Posted by: the aggregator | Aug 28, 2011 8:39:52 PM
Miami, commercial law.
Posted by: anon123 | Aug 29, 2011 11:02:32 AM
William & Mary, FSU, ASU
Posted by: anon | Aug 29, 2011 11:56:03 PM
BYU, no subject area stated.
Posted by: Anon | Aug 30, 2011 12:02:08 PM
Akron and Northern Kentucky, for torts.
Posted by: anon | Aug 30, 2011 12:46:14 PM
Posted by: anon | Aug 31, 2011 2:59:34 PM
My focus is commercial law/bankruptcy and I have 3 interviews:
2) Texas Tech
Posted by: Hopeful | Sep 1, 2011 7:56:19 AM
Georgia State University; health.
University of Missouri-Kansas City, health. thanks for collecting this info!
Posted by: mama | Sep 1, 2011 2:18:05 PM
Seattle University and Lewis & Clark, both for torts.
Posted by: anon | Sep 1, 2011 2:57:43 PM
Oklahoma. Univ. of Richmond. Neither with any particular subject in mind.
Virginia, Alabama, and Pepperdine have asked for more stuff (job talk, etc.).
Posted by: Shadowlighter | Sep 1, 2011 8:37:16 PM
Akron, Thomas Jefferson (Civ Pro)
Posted by: anon | Sep 1, 2011 10:59:29 PM
Posted by: al-anon | Sep 2, 2011 7:07:42 AM
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