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Monday, November 24, 2008
Law School Hiring Thread, Part II: Callbacks/Offers Phase
Here's some of the info agglomerated so far from here. Please use the comments to this thread as a place to share info about callbacks and offers for the law teaching market. And feel free to note any errors and omissions.
updated 11/24:
American (health)
Baltimore (IP)
Barry U
Boston College
Boston University (offer and multiple callbacks) (health)
Brooklyn (health)
Buffalo (offer and callbacks) (property, environmental)
Capital
Cardozo (IP)
Case Western
Catholic (multiple) (criminal)
Charlotte
Chicago-Kent
Cincinnati (multiple) (comparative, crim)
Cleveland-Marshall (2) (health, crim)
Colorado (environmental, property)
Cumberland (IP)
Detroit-Mercy
Drexel (multiple) (business, tax, IP)
Duke (at least one offer made, multiple callbacks)
Elon (health, IP)
Emory (multiple)
Florida (2) (family law)
Florida Coastal
FSU (multiple offers made, multiple callbacks still scheduled) (health, criminal, IP)
George Washington (multiple)
Georgia (2)
Georgia State (tax, business, criminal)
Golden Gate (multiple)
Hamline (health)
Hofstra (IP)
Houston
Illinois
Indiana Bloomington
Indiana Indianapolis
Iowa (multiple) (business, tax)
John Marshall (2) (criminal, IP)
Lewis & Clark (business)
Louisville
Loyola Chicago (health)
Loyola LA
Loyola New Orelans
LSU
Maine (IP)
Maryland (multiple) (corporate, health law) (CBs through January)
Memphis (multiple) (civil procedure, evidence)
Miami (2) (offer-health and callbacks) (health, IP)
Michigan
Michigan State (IP)
Minnesota (IP)
Mississippi College (torts, health)
New York Law School
North Carolina (at least one offer made) (business, tax)
Northern Kentucky (civ pro)
Northwestern (2)
Ohio Northern
Oklahoma City U. (contracts)
Oregon (multiple)
Penn State (criminal)
Pittsburgh (tax, business) (finished with callbacks?)
Quinnipiac (2)
Roger Williams
San Diego (multiple) (business, tax, IP)
San Francisco (property, environmental)
Santa Clara (multiple callbacks) (property, environmental, criminal, IP)
St. John's (criminal)
St. Louis (2) (IP, Health)
St. Thomas (MN) (2)
Seattle (multiple) (IP)
Seton Hall (multiple) (criminal, health, environmental, property)
SMU (multiple) (environmental, property)
South Texas (done with callbacks) (business)
Stanford
Stetson (multiple)
Texas (2)
Toledo
Touro
UC-Berkeley
UC Irvine (environmental, property)
UCLA (multiple) (health, IP)
USC
Utah (IP)
Villanova (3) (criminal)
Virginia (2) (health)
Wake Forest (IP)
Washburn
Wayne State (multiple) (IP, environmental, property)
West Virginia
Western State (multiple)
William & Mary (multiple)
Yale
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For the schools that have made offers (BU, Duke, FSU, UNC), does anyone know in what curricular areas the offers were made?
Posted by: anon | Nov 11, 2008 10:16:49 PM
Florida Coastal
Posted by: anon | Nov 12, 2008 8:11:19 AM
Another one for Seton Hall
Posted by: anon | Nov 12, 2008 8:52:30 AM
Quinnipiac
Posted by: anon | Nov 12, 2008 10:03:05 AM
Western State Univ. (some)
Posted by: anon | Nov 12, 2008 10:43:27 AM
Someone posted that Hamline, Louisville, and Loyola-Chicago all made call-back offers. I know that all three of those are looking for a tax prof, so I'd think that those are tax call-backs. Just my educated guess.
Posted by: Anon | Nov 12, 2008 10:55:48 AM
Yet Another Seton Hall. Touro. Indiana-Bloomington. West VA.
Posted by: anon | Nov 12, 2008 11:29:06 AM
A proposal, based on what seems like reasonable inquiry so far: Would folks consider including their curricular area when they post callback requests?
For example: University of North Pawtucket College of Law (space law)
I'd love to hear people's thoughts on whether this would be helpful, or whether it seems too intrusive/dangerous/etc. For my part, I understand that some schools are reviewing FRC candidates in stages based on curricular need ... so perhaps if you're a tax law scholar and it turns out that all 3 of Catholic's callbacks are for IP folks, you could breathe a little easier, knowing that they haven't gotten around to your subject area. Thoughts?
Posted by: anon | Nov 12, 2008 11:52:36 AM
I completely agree with anon at 11:52:36. I believe, for my part, I have been perhaps worrying needlessly. I don't think their is much danger/intrusiveness as most schools will be undertaking callbacks for more than one candidate per curricular need. However, others may have other thoughts. I would certainly understand if someone did not want to post this info - but if you have no problem doing so, it would be a great help.
Posted by: anon | Nov 12, 2008 11:56:45 AM
Anyone know what curricular areas Seton Hall has called back?
This is a great post - thanks to all participants!
Posted by: anon | Nov 12, 2008 12:21:24 PM
Additional call-backs: SLU (IP/health law); Cleveland-Marshall (health/crim); Miss College (torts/health); Elon (health/IP).
Posted by: anon | Nov 12, 2008 12:23:37 PM
Baltimore, Cumberland, and Maine. All for IP.
Posted by: Anon | Nov 12, 2008 12:54:52 PM
Subject area information for previously posted info: BU offer and callbacks at Miami, American, Seton Hall, and Brooklyn all in health law.
Posted by: anon | Nov 12, 2008 1:13:16 PM
Subject area information for previously posted info: Callbacks at FSU, Loyola Chicago, and Hamline all in health law. Sounds like there's a lot of competition in this area.
Posted by: anon | Nov 12, 2008 1:33:04 PM
Health law: I think checking this blog every 5 minutes like I am doing is bad for my (mental) health ...
Posted by: anon | Nov 12, 2008 1:36:11 PM
Previously posted call backs at Buffalo, Santa Clara, USF, Seton Hall, UC Irvine, Colorado, SMU, and Wayne State all for environmental/property law.
Colorado told me they will be doing their interviewing in phases based on subject area.
Santa Clara told me that they expect to have 5 callbacks based on AALS interviews (mine was beforehand so not included in the 5). They are looking for a property person and a crim person, but might hire up to three. They expect to be done with the entire process by the end of the year.
Irvine appears to be hiring in all subject areas and will be doing interviews over the next few months.
Posted by: anon | Nov 12, 2008 1:58:02 PM
anon at 1:58:02 --
Congratulations on the 8 call-backs already! Goodness gracious!
Question: How are you going to squeeze that all in, assuming you have a job right now? I mean, figure you have to take two days off per call-back, and I notice they are geographically all over the US, so that's 16 vacation days. But, 16 vacations days, all broken up like that, is really quite disruptive at the work place.
For my part, I have zero call-backs so far. However, I think it reasonable to believe I will get 2-4 call-backs. If only two, I think it will be easy to get the time to go to those. In the happy situation it is four, then ... maybe clue in my current employer? I guess I will cross that happy bridge when I get to it.
Posted by: anon | Nov 12, 2008 2:14:38 PM
I second that. Maybe I'll be in the market next year after all! Stressful.
Posted by: anon | Nov 12, 2008 2:18:53 PM
Someone in the previous thread said that most of the "top 20" schools had decided on candidates to call back by last Saturday. But I didn't see many "top 20" schools from here. Is that a hoax?
Posted by: anon | Nov 12, 2008 2:21:09 PM
'Someone in the previous thread said that most of the "top 20" schools had decided on candidates to call back by last Saturday. But I didn't see many "top 20" schools from here. Is that a hoax?'
Or, maybe it says something about the readership of prawfsfest. ;)
Posted by: anon | Nov 12, 2008 2:40:10 PM
Keep in mind: Not everybody who participated in the AALS FRC as a candidate participates on this blog. I actually didn't ask anybody at FRC about this blog, but wish I had. So, there could be a lot more call-backs going on than this blog would indicate, right?
Posted by: anon | Nov 12, 2008 3:02:45 PM
Exactly, anon at 3:02:45. The solution to this perplexing dilemma? Tell all your aspiring prawf friends to visit this blog and post their own progress. More people, more information.
Posted by: anon | Nov 12, 2008 3:17:01 PM
The work/callback issue is perplexing. Having done two callbacks already, I did one vacation day and one sick day. I am thinking about acquiring a serious disease (at least until I get my end of the year bonus). Any suggestions?
Posted by: anon | Nov 12, 2008 3:59:17 PM
I gave up the charade of hiding my future aspirations and simply let my case teams know my plans. I figured it was better that they knew why my hours were light, and that I wasn't just slacking off as a recession descends upon us. Thus far they've all been very supportive, and I made it a point to stress how the odds are stacked against any individual candidate receiving an offer. I was worried about the impact on my bonus, but then I realized that a pattern of unexplained disppearances from the office was at least as likely to have such an impact.
Posted by: anon | Nov 12, 2008 4:06:33 PM
Cleveland-Marshall, Toledo, Ohio Northern, Western State University
Posted by: anon | Nov 12, 2008 6:07:30 PM
Indiana - Indy
Posted by: anon | Nov 12, 2008 6:15:43 PM
Offer at Miami in health law.
Posted by: anon | Nov 13, 2008 11:51:29 AM
Callbacks at Georgia State (pre-AALS), Iowa, Pittsburgh, UNC, Drexel, and San Diego. Tax/Business Law.
Posted by: anon | Nov 13, 2008 12:01:43 PM
Chicago-Kent, Houston
Posted by: anon | Nov 13, 2008 12:11:53 PM
Iowa (business law).
While it's helpful to see the subject matter listed with callbacks, it's a bit daunting to see that information as well! (For those of us in the business law area with few or no callbacks, let's hope that anon @ 12:01:43 PM obtains and accepts an offer soon, so our turn comes!)
Posted by: anon | Nov 13, 2008 12:34:22 PM
Lewis & Clark (business law)
Posted by: anon | Nov 13, 2008 1:43:06 PM
Florida (family law)
Posted by: anon | Nov 13, 2008 1:52:17 PM
UVA (health law).
Posted by: anon | Nov 13, 2008 4:06:41 PM
Buffalo -- offer
Posted by: anon | Nov 13, 2008 6:12:43 PM
Miami
Posted by: anon | Nov 13, 2008 6:31:43 PM
Callbacks at Villanova, Duke, Loyola-Los Angeles, Quinnipiac. Have heard of callbacks from Texas-Austin and Boston College, as well as Miami.
Posted by: anon | Nov 13, 2008 8:27:05 PM
Callbacks at Northwestern, Duke, Iowa and Florida.
Posted by: anon | Nov 13, 2008 9:18:42 PM
callback at University of Georgia
Posted by: anon | Nov 13, 2008 9:55:26 PM
IP-related call-backs for San Diego, MSU, Cardozo, Santa Clara, Utah, Minnesota, Wake Forest, Hofstra, FSU, John Marshall, and St. Louis. I declined some of these.
Posted by: anon | Nov 13, 2008 10:02:40 PM
To anon at 6:12:43: Did you do your Buffalo callback pre-AALS? And what's your area of law?
Posted by: anon | Nov 13, 2008 10:36:44 PM
Northern Kentucky (civil procedure)
Posted by: anon | Nov 13, 2008 10:55:50 PM
To anon at 10:02:40 PM: Are you on the patent side or other IP?
Posted by: anon | Nov 13, 2008 11:04:06 PM
If you can all note your areas of expertise -- particularly anons at 6:07:30 PM, 6:31:43 PM, 8:27:05 PM and 9:18:42 PM -- it would help a lot. Thanks!
Posted by: Anon | Nov 13, 2008 11:19:58 PM
Maybe it would be helpful if people named themselves something other than anon to avoid posts by Anon at 11:19 PM, which stated "
If you can all note your areas of expertise -- particularly anons at 6:07:30 PM, 6:31:43 PM, 8:27:05 PM and 9:18:42 PM -- it would help a lot. Thanks!"
Just a thought.
Posted by: waitingforcallbacks | Nov 14, 2008 12:09:51 AM
Loveshacks from Creighton, Rutgers, Arizona State. Honorary colonel offer from South Carolina.
Posted by: Pus | Nov 14, 2008 1:46:47 AM
Folks, we seem to be in the heart of the callback season and responses have been good. Here's another aggregation, which includes the useful information that has been posted about field as well. Thanks to all contributors and please keep the data streaming in. Let me know also if I've missed something please.
American (health)
Baltimore (IP)
Barry U
Boston College
Boston University (offer and multiple callbacks) (health)
Brooklyn (health)
Buffalo (offer and callbacks) (property, environmental)
Cardozo (IP)
Catholic (multiple)
Chicago-Kent
Cleveland-Marshall (2) (health, crim)
Colorado (environmental, property)
Cumberland (IP)
Drexel (business, tax)
Duke (at least one offer made, multiple callbacks)
Elon (health, IP)
Florida (2) (family law)
Florida Coastal
FSU (multiple offers made, multiple callbacks still scheduled) (health, criminal, IP)
Georgia
Georgia State (tax, business)
Golden Gate (multiple)
Hamline (health)
Hofstra (IP)
Houston
Indiana Bloomington
Indiana Indianapolis
Iowa (multiple) (business, tax)
John Marshall (2) (criminal, IP)
Lewis & Clark (business)
Louisville
Loyola Chicago (health)
Loyola LA
LSU
Maine (IP)
Miami (offer-health and callbacks) (health)
Michigan State (IP)
Minnesota (IP)
Mississippi (torts, health)
North Carolina (at least one offer made) (business, tax)
Northern Kentucky (civ pro)
Northwestern
Ohio Northern
Pittsburgh (tax, business)
Quinnipiac (2)
Roger Williams
San Diego (multiple) (business, tax, IP)
San Francisco (property, environmental)
Santa Clara (multiple callbacks) (property, environmental, criminal, IP)
St. John's (criminal)
St. Louis (2) (IP, Health)
St. Thomas (MN) (2)
Seton Hall (3) (criminal, health, environmental, property)
SMU (multiple) (environmental, property)
Stetson (multiple)
Texas
Toledo
Touro
UC Irvine (environmental, property)
Utah (IP)
Villanova (3) (criminal)
Virginia (health)
Wake Forest (IP)
Wayne State (environmental, property)
West Virginia
Western State (multiple)
Posted by: Pro Bono Publico | Nov 14, 2008 9:02:34 AM
Virginia, Georgia, Northwestern, Duke.
Posted by: anon | Nov 14, 2008 9:47:09 AM
Oklahoma City University (contracts)
Posted by: name | Nov 14, 2008 10:16:46 AM
Seton Hall, University of Cincinnati (criminal, comparative)
Posted by: anon | Nov 14, 2008 1:54:57 PM
UCLA (health)
Posted by: anon (sorry) | Nov 14, 2008 2:11:03 PM
Another Seton Hall.
Posted by: anon (health) | Nov 14, 2008 3:21:26 PM
It seems that the callbacks so far are heavily tilted towards health and environmental. I sort of wonder whether it is because schools are making concerted efforts to do callbacks in those two areas first (because they figure those areas are hot and they need to act quickly), or it is because the people who post on this blog happen to be health/environmental people. In other words, if your areas are not health/environmental and you haven't got many callbacks, is there still hope? Thoughts?
Posted by: curious_anon | Nov 14, 2008 3:41:25 PM
well all those environmental notes are from one person. So I wouldn't conclude there is something widespread going on...
Posted by: nameless | Nov 14, 2008 3:55:00 PM
curious_anon: I don't have a good feel for how widely known this blog is amongst AALS candidates. Does anybody here have a feel for that? Also, even if they know about it, that doesn't mean everybody is posting what the know.
I have heard this, however: Pittsburgh has made all the call-backs it is going to make.
Posted by: anon | Nov 14, 2008 4:02:13 PM
Yale, Stanford, USC, UCLA, Duke, Michigan, Texas.
Posted by: anon | Nov 14, 2008 4:04:51 PM
Anon at 4:04: Were those "honory colonel" or "loveshack" offers?
No, wait, that's not fair. Let me ask a different question instead, to the group. I have been advised that top, top schools (e.g., Yale) tend to do callbacks very late in the process, like April. So, assuming that anon at 4:04 is being truthful, does this meant that such schools are going early this year? Or, am I mistaken that such schools go late in the process? Or, perhaps, do such schools tend to hold callbacks late but announce them early?
Posted by: Snarky Anon | Nov 14, 2008 5:37:44 PM
I also know for a fact that Yale has told some of its top select choices that they will be bringing them back to campus, especially those with offers and deadlines from other credible schools. The notion that everyone of the top schools waits to have their for their top choices is a myth. They may wait longer to make offers, but at least some of them have begun inviting through some candidates.
Posted by: anon | Nov 14, 2008 6:21:35 PM
South Texas has made its entire first round of callbacks, for business law and other curricular needs.
Posted by: anon | Nov 14, 2008 6:45:28 PM
A lot of top schools are listed here as having invited people through. From what I know, many top schools will invite their top choices early, but many of them also have two separate campus visits prior to making an offer. While a number of schools have made their first invites (i.e., candidates will know if they are a top schoice at many top schools) I am not aware of any top schools other than Duke that have actually made offers (i.e., it will still be a while before most candidates will know whether they receive an offer from Yale, Virginia, Michigan, Stanford, etc.). There are also many non-top schools that have already made offers that are not listed above.
Posted by: anon | Nov 14, 2008 7:03:20 PM
To: anon | Nov 13, 2008 11:04:06 PM I am on the patent side of IP, though I do copyright as well.
Add an IP-callback for Miami.
Posted by: anon | Nov 14, 2008 9:27:31 PM
rejection letter from Seton Hall
Posted by: anon too | Nov 15, 2008 1:14:19 AM
rejection from Southwestern
Posted by: anon three | Nov 15, 2008 8:57:04 AM
Just curious. How long after a call back does it take to get an offer? I did a callback at one of the schools listed above more than two weeks before the AALS. I haven't heard from them. In the meantime, I have received 4 other callbacks, but I would prefer an offer from the school I already gave a talk at. I am going to go ahead and schedule them anyways, but should I let the school know I am doing other job talks??
Posted by: justcurious | Nov 15, 2008 10:10:27 AM
I got a rejection letter from Seton Hall also -- although they encouraged me to apply with them again next year, if I'm interested. Not sure what to make of that.
Posted by: Anon | Nov 15, 2008 10:25:09 AM
anon three:
If you don't think it gives away too much info, would you mind telling us any or all of the following: your subject area, whether the notificiation from Southwestern came via mail or email, and when you received the letter? (I haven't heard from them yet.) Thanks in advance.
Posted by: another anon | Nov 15, 2008 1:44:22 PM
ditto with the Seton Hall people, if you don't mind...also, was the rejection post-call back?
Posted by: anony | Nov 15, 2008 2:04:02 PM
my rejection at Seton Hall was w/o a call back, via letter. Area- admin law mostly, among others.
Posted by: anon too | Nov 15, 2008 4:25:09 PM
To the anon with the following slate of call-backs: Yale, Stanford, USC, UCLA, Duke, Michigan, Texas. Congratulations! Would you be willing to share your area(s) of interest?
Posted by: anon | Nov 15, 2008 4:48:37 PM
another anon:
I'd rather keep the info about subject area to myself, but I can tell you it came by email a few days ago.
Posted by: anon three | Nov 15, 2008 4:52:38 PM
Thanks for that update, it's very helpful. (And semi-encouraging.)
Posted by: another anon | Nov 15, 2008 5:33:19 PM
Would love to know the subject matter at Quinnipiac, if possible.
Posted by: anon! anon! | Nov 15, 2008 6:47:49 PM
Subject area at Quinnipiac is business law. The bad news is that the day after being invited to a full-day interview, I was told by the dean that Quinnipiac just announced a hiring freeze for the next couple of months. So they had to wait and see.
Posted by: curious_anon | Nov 15, 2008 8:42:34 PM
rejected from UC-Irvine (no callback)
Posted by: anon99 | Nov 15, 2008 9:21:50 PM
Wow, curious_anon, that stinks. Let's hope that changes. It's better for all interviewees if there are more jobs out there.
So, was anyone else informed, after the conference, that a school with whom he or she interviewed, that there was a hiring freeze?
I'll start: I understand that Washington informed some interviewees, after the conference, that there was a hiring freeze. (There were rumors before the conference, but apparently it was not decided.)
Posted by: anon! anon! | Nov 15, 2008 9:54:02 PM
The "Mississippi" in the list is Mississippi College as opposed to the University of Mississippi.
Posted by: anon | Nov 16, 2008 10:39:10 AM
has anyone heard from American or Denver AFTER AALS?
Posted by: waiting anon | Nov 16, 2008 10:50:18 AM
To anon! anon!:
When you say "Washington", who exactly are you referring to? Thanks.
Posted by: anon person | Nov 16, 2008 10:51:34 AM
It's U. of Wash.
Posted by: hammer time | Nov 16, 2008 2:27:15 PM
Aggregation to begin the week, recognizing that this pool of knowledge is imperfect and there are obviously callbacks at other places going on. Keep the information coming, please. If I may put in a personal note, I, too, have questions about the extent to which it's good to check in with earlier callbacks (pre-conference) about one's situation, other than to inform them of an offer with a deadline. If somebody's got advice on this score, that'd be terrific.
American (health)
Baltimore (IP)
Barry U
Boston College
Boston University (offer and multiple callbacks) (health)
Brooklyn (health)
Buffalo (offer and callbacks) (property, environmental)
Cardozo (IP)
Catholic (multiple)
Chicago-Kent
Cincinnati (comparative, crim?)
Cleveland-Marshall (2) (health, crim)
Colorado (environmental, property)
Cumberland (IP)
Drexel (business, tax)
Duke (at least one offer made, multiple callbacks)
Elon (health, IP)
Florida (2) (family law)
Florida Coastal
FSU (multiple offers made, multiple callbacks still scheduled) (health, criminal, IP)
Georgia (2)
Georgia State (tax, business)
Golden Gate (multiple)
Hamline (health)
Hofstra (IP)
Houston
Indiana Bloomington
Indiana Indianapolis
Iowa (multiple) (business, tax)
John Marshall (2) (criminal, IP)
Lewis & Clark (business)
Louisville
Loyola Chicago (health)
Loyola LA
LSU
Maine (IP)
Miami (2) (offer-health and callbacks) (health, IP)
Michigan
Michigan State (IP)
Minnesota (IP)
Mississippi College (torts, health)
North Carolina (at least one offer made) (business, tax)
Northern Kentucky (civ pro)
Northwestern (2)
Ohio Northern
Oklahoma City U. (contracts)
Pittsburgh (tax, business) (finished with callbacks?)
Quinnipiac (2)
Roger Williams
San Diego (multiple) (business, tax, IP)
San Francisco (property, environmental)
Santa Clara (multiple callbacks) (property, environmental, criminal, IP)
St. John's (criminal)
St. Louis (2) (IP, Health)
St. Thomas (MN) (2)
Seton Hall (multiple) (criminal, health, environmental, property)
SMU (multiple) (environmental, property)
South Texas (done with callbacks) (business)
Stanford
Stetson (multiple)
Texas (2)
Toledo
Touro
UC Irvine (environmental, property)
UCLA (3) (health)
USC
Utah (IP)
Villanova (3) (criminal)
Virginia (2) (health)
Wake Forest (IP)
Wayne State (environmental, property)
West Virginia
Western State (multiple)
Yale
Posted by: Pro Bono Publico | Nov 16, 2008 6:14:05 PM
My two cents to add to the fray. In IP: UCLA, Seattle, Wayne State, Drexel, Cardozo.
Posted by: mouse | Nov 16, 2008 8:12:19 PM
Pro Bono Publico:
This is only my personal opinion, but I wouldn't check back unless you had an offer. If you did an actual callback, you can rest assured that you did not fall off the map. I don't think it hurts your candidacy much/at all to call the appointments chair, but it won't help. If all you are doing is trying to satisfy your burning curiousity (and I can't think of any other reason), your recommenders might be able to get you some intel.
Posted by: TJ | Nov 16, 2008 8:53:57 PM
Thanks, TJ. That's a help. Yes, I'm just feeling jittery, and there'd be no particular purpose to my inquiry other than to assuage some frayed nerves.
Posted by: PBC | Nov 16, 2008 9:02:11 PM
PBC,
I'd go ahead and let the committee know. While I agree with TJ that it's unlikely to help, you never know. At the very least, it is an expression of ongoing interest which may have some value.
Posted by: onacommittee | Nov 17, 2008 7:26:43 AM
Maryland (corporate law)
Posted by: anon | Nov 17, 2008 12:48:00 PM
I was one of the Seton Hall rejection letter posts above. I had only the initial 30-minute interview at the AALS FRC; they had not extended a call-back offer.
Posted by: anon | Nov 17, 2008 12:55:58 PM
Just got a rejection e-mail from Loyola
Posted by: enviro anon | Nov 17, 2008 1:41:17 PM
sorry I should have clarified -- Loyola LA. I had an AALS interview, no callback.
Posted by: enviro anon | Nov 17, 2008 2:07:35 PM
California Western rejection letter. Interview, no callback.
Posted by: anon | Nov 17, 2008 2:24:20 PM
enviro anon:
Is the Loyola LA you mentioned the one in Los Angeles or the one in New Orleans, Louisiana? Thanks.
Posted by: anon! anon! | Nov 17, 2008 4:14:48 PM
Rejection from Columbia.
Posted by: anon | Nov 17, 2008 4:15:08 PM
Funny I didn't even think of it being LA for Louisiana. I mean the one in Los Angeles (fires not floods). I have no info on the other Loyolas.
In other news, at least two schools told me at the AALS interview that they planned to meet to make decisions on the 17th or 18th, so we might see another round of calls beginning later this week.
Posted by: enviro anon | Nov 17, 2008 4:37:47 PM
Any thoughts on whether it's a good idea to follow-up (prior to any response as to whether the school will be calling you back) with a committee member to reaffirm interest in the school and/or to indicate that you have a bunch of call-backs but are more interested in their school?
Posted by: anxious anon | Nov 17, 2008 5:19:28 PM
Maryland has extended callbacks (corps & health law); will continue to extend callbacks in health law possibly thru January
Posted by: anon | Nov 17, 2008 7:27:00 PM
to anon | Nov 17, 2008 7:27:00 PM-Does this mean Maryland is still looking for health law applicants or just extending interviews to those they already interviewed at AALS? Is it worth sending a resume -I did not see a health law position for them in the job bulletin (I was in the last distribution of resumes, and I think some schools did not even look at the last distribution?)
Posted by: hmmm | Nov 17, 2008 10:18:10 PM
And, to add to the last post's question: do you know if Maryland is planning to extend call-backs to individuals whose area of interest, or at least primary area of interest, is neither health nor corporate law?
Posted by: hmmm #2 | Nov 17, 2008 10:43:55 PM
Are any of these call-backs for lateral positions?
Posted by: lateral | Nov 18, 2008 12:41:47 AM
As I understand it, South Texas is not necessarily "done" with callbacks (as the list says), but rather, it has finished calling its first round. There is at least the possibility of a second round.
Posted by: anon | Nov 18, 2008 12:12:49 PM
Rejection e-mail from George Mason received with note that they might be interested in calling me for a second round of interviews in February if their first bunch don't work out.
Posted by: enviro anon | Nov 18, 2008 5:34:48 PM
rejection from michigan
Posted by: anyn | Nov 18, 2008 7:33:37 PM
Does anyone else feel, um, physically sick from this process?
Ah well, it'll all be over soon.
Posted by: sad anon | Nov 18, 2008 8:34:43 PM
Physically sick? No, but I am losing sleep to be sure. Stress not just from the AALS process, but from the collateral effects of trying to do a decent job at my full-time day job, as well as doing my duties as a family-man.
I've netted only one call-back (so far) -- that will be in December. There were a couple of other law schools that told me they were on the slow track to deciding when to extend call-backs, but that I should let them know if I need to make an earlier decision. So, I suppose I should circle back with them and let them know I have a December call-back, which may result in a December offer.
Posted by: anon | Nov 18, 2008 8:58:55 PM
Don't be sad! You can make it happen; if not this season, then next. Keep writing and keep applying; that's what you have control over. You haven't any over the committees (even they haven't the power to hire; that's up to the rest of the faculty!)
Posted by: Pus | Nov 18, 2008 9:08:07 PM
The process is taking a physical toll on me, and I know other candidates who are struggling in various ways as well.
Posted by: anon here | Nov 18, 2008 9:13:13 PM
Seton Hall, Georgia State, Penn State, Santa Clara, Cincinatti (Criminal, one offer)
Posted by: thankful | Nov 18, 2008 10:57:30 PM
To enviro anon: I wonder if that's the standard rejection language of George Mason? I got an email along similar lines. Are there people who got outright rejection without the mentioning of the possibility of second-round callbacks after February?
Posted by: tired_anon | Nov 18, 2008 11:02:39 PM
tired_anon:
I don't know about George Mason, but based on past experience it seems that some schools offer two types of rejections, post AALS.
There's the "pure rejection" letter (i.e., "while your credentials are impressive, we had many fine applicants and we do not have a place for you...") and there's the "second tier" letter ("we liked you, but you did not make our first cut; however, if they're all bums, we may call you back later...".
So, it appears that some committees divide their candidates into three groups: (1) rejects (who receive "pure rejection" letter fairly early in the process; (2) backups (who either do not hear back for a while or who receive a "second tier" letter and of course, (3) callbacks.
In my experience, being told I am second tier has never led to a callback. But I have heard of people who got second-tier callbacks.
Thus, while it is possible that the letter you received is the same way that George Mason rejects all of its AALS interviewees who do not receive callbacks, I'd bet that they sent a different letter to some candidates. Or, at least, it seems that some schools have two letters.
Posted by: anon! anon! | Nov 18, 2008 11:44:25 PM
Not physically sick yet, but I just got done with what I think is the last callback I'm doing, and now I have the post-production blues.
Posted by: done anon | Nov 19, 2008 12:24:42 AM
For what little it's worth, for everyone wondering whether to notify schools that they have received callbacks from other institutions - don't. I know it is tempting to try to speed up the process, but it really isn't going to help at all. It may not hurt you, but with nothing to gain it isn't worth the risk.
Schools are going to invite you back based on their own decision-making process, not because another school has called you back. And most certainly do not suggest that because you have a call back, that you may be extended an offer. Just wait until an offer is actually extended.
I know this waiting game is excruciating, but unfortunately that's just the way things are. Until you are extended an offer, nothing you tell a school is going to do you any good.
Posted by: T.J. | Nov 19, 2008 8:45:31 AM
A quick note of mild dissent on TJ's point above. I suspect some people at some schools are impressed, whether consciously or unconsciously, by the signal value of callbacks at other schools or conversely, there's likely to be less rush to process a candidate through committee and a faculty vote if the committee knows there's little competition for that person. I'm not endorsing this practice but I think it may happen b/c there's an atmosphere of triage that attends a process as chaotic as this one. Others may weigh in and disagree so YMMV.
Posted by: Dan Markel | Nov 19, 2008 9:36:33 AM
for those who went through the meat market more than once and were successful, did anyone get a 2nd interview or callback from a school they had already interviewed with the year before? I am wondering if this ever happens (since the schools seem to indicate so in their reject letters)
Posted by: question | Nov 19, 2008 10:41:28 AM
To answer the previous question: yes, this does happen. That said, some schools have a soft res judicata practice--but clearly not all!
Posted by: Dan Markel | Nov 19, 2008 11:39:14 AM
I have found that having an offer in hand seems to light a fire under those schools where I have callbacks, but it seems awkward to call schools who I haven't heard from post-AALS to mention either my offer or my callbacks...
My law school circulated an e-mail advising that if you haven't heard from a school 3 weeks post AALS, then you shouldn't expect to ever hear from them. Does that ring true to you guys? Any faculty members out there who could chime in on that?
Posted by: curious | Nov 19, 2008 12:28:32 PM
How refreshing it is to find some humanity in this arduous process. I just got a lovely e-mail from well-ranked school with an honest and helpful status update. They report that their priority for callbacks before the holidays is in one specific curricular area (not mine), and that they will find out soon whether they have the resources to make additional hires in other areas. They write that although they really enjoyed meeting with me at AALS, they're not in a position to extend me a callback offer right now ... and though they recognize this may put them at a disadvantage as compared to other faster-acting schools, they "hope we can keep each other in mind as we see how things develop over the next several weeks."
Note to any hiring committee members who may be reading these posts: A forthright and courteous e-mail like this can do wonders for a candidate's perception of a school and its hiring process. One of the biggest stressors (for me, at least) is trying to make decisions without adequate information about what prospects may lie on the horizon. Hearing a school say, "Look, here's the deal: We like you, but things are up in the air right now," is incredibly refreshing. I understand why schools might want to leave things unspoken for the "B-grade" or "backup" candidates, but to the extent schools are willing to share information about where they are in the process, I imagine most candidates would be thankful to hear it. Same goes for rejections -- if you're not seriously considering a candidate, let him/her know so that they can move on.
The reason we candidates sought out this hiring thread is because it helps to fill what seems like an "information black hole." Schools should be aware of this sentiment as they proceed.
Posted by: just one anon | Nov 19, 2008 1:30:04 PM
Anyone heard from Tennessee?
Posted by: Anon | Nov 19, 2008 1:30:09 PM
or Denver?
Posted by: anonanon | Nov 19, 2008 3:17:45 PM
Several things:
(1) "just one anon" is SO right. Sending out a "second tier" or "pure rejection" letter -- or even the of "we haven't decided what tier you're in because we're focusing on other needs now" letter that "just one anon" received -- is super helpful to us as candidactes. And I don't think it necessarily hurts schools' competitive positions.
(2) Having been on the market more than once, I have had multiple schools that did not grant me a callback the first time interview me a second time at AALS. And they knew (i.e., admitted to me, explicitly) that they had interviewed me before (so it wasn't an oversight). However, none of these resulted in callbacks, so I'm not sure how serious the second round of interviews were.
(3) In the past, if I recall correctly, I have received callbacks in December (which I attended in January). But after January, no.
Posted by: more anon than before | Nov 19, 2008 4:27:34 PM
Rejection letter from New York Law (i.e., NYLS not NYU). Subject area is business law. It was the "we will not be giving you a callback" type of letter, not the "we might give you a callback later" type. Received hard copy via snail mail within the last few days.
Posted by: I guess I'm not going to NYC | Nov 19, 2008 4:31:04 PM
Of schools not already listed, I am aware of callback invitations issued from George Washington and William and Mary.
Posted by: anon333 | Nov 19, 2008 5:53:03 PM
I am also curious about Denver.
Posted by: evolutive | Nov 19, 2008 7:49:48 PM
If a school where you did a callback recently requested written reference letters from your references (after the callback), what does it mean? Any thoughts?
Posted by: somanyanons | Nov 19, 2008 9:18:08 PM
somanyanons - that's a good sign, i think. i see no reason for written reference letters unless they want a record before they make you an offer.
Posted by: anon | Nov 19, 2008 9:40:41 PM
I have heard nothing from Denver, too.
Posted by: anon222 | Nov 19, 2008 10:50:45 PM
curious, I think Brian Leiter once guesstimated that 70% of callback invitations are issued within 1 week of AALS, 90% within 2 weeks, and a very few thereafter (though not zero). Myself, I received either a callback or an email saying "we need more time to evaluate you" from every school that eventually called me back by the end of the first week. Everybody knows of an exception to this rule, but the reality is that after three weeks the odds become heavily stacked against you.
btw. there appears to be two TJs on this thread. I do not use periods after my name.
Posted by: TJ | Nov 20, 2008 2:33:53 AM
Is ANYONE getting calls this week? It seems to be the flood of post-AALS calls has slowed to a trickle.
Posted by: anon | Nov 20, 2008 10:58:20 AM
Callback from Maryland came early this week.
Posted by: anon (health) | Nov 20, 2008 11:10:01 AM
So many questions...
1. It would be helpful if those lucky folks who have already accepted offers (or narrowed down their choices such that they've discontinued their candidacy at some schools) would be willing to share this info (along with their curricular area). For those of us in "hot" fields, knowing a colleague is already happily off the market can be comforting.
2. Is anyone willing to share information on exploding/expiring offers? Specifically, is anyone aware of schools that are giving offers of 4 weeks or less? Are other schools generally giving Feb. 1 deadlines? Even if you're not willing to name the school, perhaps we can infer some trends this year ....
Posted by: anon | Nov 20, 2008 11:15:37 AM
say i have a couple callbacks, but i am still holding out hope for a particular school i haven't heard from (and who doesn't appear on this list so far)... should i contact that committee and tell them about my other callbacks--try to put a little pressure on? or is that likely to backfire...
Posted by: anon | Nov 20, 2008 12:58:49 PM
About the question asked by somanyanons above about schools requesting written reference letters: could it be because they want to have written reference letters for faculty debate and vote?
Posted by: double_anon | Nov 20, 2008 2:14:29 PM
A nice rejection from Cardozo, but not a George Mason-type letter (which I also received) that suggested a future callback was possible. In regards to an earlier post, being asked for references is definitely a good sign (or at least not a bad sign).
Posted by: yet another anon | Nov 20, 2008 4:20:12 PM
This thread has been a great help. However, I worry that it isn't providing me as much information as I initially thought. I agree, based on past my limited experience, with Brian Leiter's estimates about the percentage of callbacks that occur after the first two weeks. But right now, those number just do not seem consistent with the information posted on this thread. There are too many holes.
I am starting to think that the majority of people who interviewed at AALS and are getting callbacks are not posting here. Or, perhaps, if most AALS interviewees are posting, then many schools are not sure if they will hire this year, or have quietly decided not to hire.
I, for one, interviewed at AALS with TEN schools (none of which have announced, or been subject to rumors about, a hiring freeze) that are not listed on this thread as having made any callbacks whatsoever.
In addition, FOUR more schools are listed as having called back, but explicitly for other subject areas. NONE of these schools has either rejected or second-tiered me yet; only a few have even said "we will get back to you". (Other schools with which I interviewed are listed on this thread as having called back, but without identifying an area.)
That leaves 14 schools who have either called back and avoided mention here, or who do not plan to call back within the expected Leiter timeframe (unless they call Fri/Sat/Sun) -- or who perhaps may be part of Leiter's guesstimated 10%. (I wonder if my experience is atypical.)
So let's hope, for all of us candidates, for another slate of callbacks. Perhaps this year, a larger % of schools are waiting two weeks plus to make callbacks. It's far better than the alternative...
Posted by: anon-again | Nov 20, 2008 4:35:15 PM
The primary utility of this thread seems to be either to make some feel good about themselves or to make others clinically depressed. If there's a middle ground, I'm not seeing it.
Posted by: not anon | Nov 20, 2008 5:14:56 PM
I agree. I'm in the depressed camp.
Although, I will point out that just receiving a lot of callbacks (and announcing them on this site, thereby making others cringe) does not guarantee any job offers. And, conversely, all it takes is one callback to get a job (if all the stars align). So for those of us who had a decent number interviews, but who are depressed at the lack of callbacks so far, there is still hope. Or so I hope.
Posted by: anon-again | Nov 20, 2008 5:26:18 PM
I endured the meat market about five years. I came in with high spirits having lined up 25 interviews. Post-meat market, I endured two months of radio silence at which point I got a callback at my last place school. A month (mid-February), I got a callback at my third place school and ended up getting the job.
Posted by: There is still hope | Nov 20, 2008 5:41:30 PM
I also got one of those California Western rejection letters (in the mail, post-AALS, no callback).
Posted by: anon55 | Nov 20, 2008 6:08:55 PM
There is still hope = the best post in this thread. Thank you thank you!
I was offering hope w/out an anecdote. Theoretical hope is so much better when someone has an actual experience to back it up...
Posted by: anon-again | Nov 20, 2008 6:25:51 PM
Re: anon-again's math -- I agree. The numbers don't add up. You know, I'll bet there's only like five people posting on this board, and the VAST majority of callbacks are going unreported. That would also explain why nearly every callback seems to be in IP, health law, environmental, or property -- it's the same folks posting over and over. That said, I think having some information is better than none, and I would rather be depressed with my eyes open than hopeful with my head in the sand. (Or so I say now - my perspective may change!)
On my end, a recent rejection e-mail from Cardozo.
Posted by: anon | Nov 20, 2008 6:45:27 PM
To anon at 6:45:27:
Was your Cardozo rejection a "regular" rejection or anything saying they might look at you in the future? Thanks.
Posted by: still anon | Nov 20, 2008 7:10:07 PM
Capital called with a callback offer today.
Posted by: anon | Nov 20, 2008 8:37:32 PM
"still anon": Cardozo was a regular rejection letter: "We liked you, but not enough to invite you back." I was disappointed, but not particularly surprised-- this was the only one of my interviews that I left thinking, "Crap. I really did a bad job there." And apparently they thought so too! So at least I have the satisfaction of knowing that I was right about that...
Posted by: anon (at 6:45:27) | Nov 20, 2008 9:50:15 PM
Anyone hear from Memphis yet?
Posted by: a | Nov 21, 2008 8:48:15 AM
I know that Memphis has made call back decisions. Obviously, not to anyone who is posting on this thread.
Posted by: not anon | Nov 21, 2008 9:16:26 AM
I know that Memphis has made call back decisions. Obviously, not to anyone who is posting on this thread.
Posted by: not anon | Nov 21, 2008 9:17:45 AM
any word on Ohio State?
Posted by: anonnn | Nov 21, 2008 9:33:18 AM
For those still waiting, remember that the FRC was late this year, about the latest I've seen. Most schools will be done with classes right after Thanksgiving break, and some on Nov. 26, so it is hard to schedule that many call-backs in the short window between the FRC and the point when everyone scatters -- few schools like to call in a candidate when the building is completely empty (save for students chugging Red Bull and Jolt!) and the only faculty there will simply glare at the candidate for "making" them come to the school for an interview & job talk. It may be that more call-backs will come in January than previous years as (a) candidates accept offers that leads to (b) schools digging down on their list for those they could not schedule for call-backs in the first semester. It is a difficult time, but keep hope alive.
Posted by: Super-Anonie | Nov 21, 2008 9:58:00 AM
Anyone hear from Emory?
Posted by: Anon155 | Nov 21, 2008 10:39:39 AM
Does anyone know how long it usually takes between a callback and an offer (if at all)?
Posted by: anon | Nov 21, 2008 11:05:01 AM
Anon155:
Yes, Emory has apparently started making calls.
Posted by: anon on market | Nov 21, 2008 11:13:48 AM
A few responses to questions raised based on my experience.
How long it takes between callback and offer (as with everything) depends a lot on the school and the timing of the callback. Most schools don't make offers without having a full faculty meeting/vote about it, and those meetings are only scheduled so often. It also seems like schools regularly do some additional checking (calling references, etc.) after a callback interview. So it may take some time. I know one school that did it in 3 weeks (callback to offer). But that seemed pretty quick.
On the question of whether any schools are calling this week/any have yet to decide, my strong impression is yes. I know of 3-4 schools that have just started making callback offers this week (and are scheduling callback interviews well into January). And 1 school that made a callback offer more than a week after the school's name first appeared on the callback list on this website.
In short, I'm becoming increasingly skeptical that that 3-week-post-AALS cutoff expectation makes much sense.
Posted by: oneresponder | Nov 21, 2008 12:13:03 PM
oregon, anyone?
Posted by: nwanon | Nov 21, 2008 12:13:22 PM
Much like the anon-again post above, 10 of the schools I have interviewed with have not been mentioned on this blog. Three were mentioned as having called back folks only who interviewed before AALS. I am surprised not even to have receiving rejection letters. I am surprised a bit at how few callbacks are mentioned becuase many people posted about AALS interviews at these schools in the first round so it seemed that people participating in this blog were interviewing at those schools.
I have heard from a few faculties however (ones where I had callbacks and ones where I did not) that many schools are having to revisit the number of people they will be able to hire this year. Pure rumor has told me that USC and UCLA may not end up hiring and Santa Clara and USF may be hiring fewer than they originally intended [sorry for the obvious California bias in my info and no guarantees on its accuracy].
About the exploding offer dilemma. I have an exploding offer (at a school that I like but is not my top choice) expiring December 1st, and it is giving me heart palpitations. Other schools where I have had callbacks have told me they will not even be meeting until 12/4 or 5 and couldn't possibly make decisions before then. And some of my other callbacks aren't until after December 1st. I will ask for more time, of course, but it is pretty difficult to turn down an offer without having another one in hand. Any advice on this issue will be embraced warmly.
Posted by: stressed out | Nov 21, 2008 1:45:07 PM
Oregon told me at the end of my AALS interview that they would make callback decisions within "one to two weeks." It is the only school that ever told me a decision timeline.
Posted by: happy anon | Nov 21, 2008 2:08:07 PM
I got one phone call that I appreciated where a school said they are going to call me back if a certain faculty member (in my field) decides to go work for the Obama administration. Not what I hoped they were calling to say, but I really appreciated the honesty and having the information now instead of just being on hold until January.
Posted by: enviro anon | Nov 21, 2008 2:08:42 PM
Happy Anon - Can you confirm whether you've received a callback at Oregon or are just sharing their intended time line?
Posted by: anonymous | Nov 21, 2008 2:35:00 PM
No, I haven't heard back from Oregon. Just wanted to share the timeline.
Posted by: happy anon | Nov 21, 2008 2:37:20 PM
to stressed out: i too have an offer set to expire on dec. 1, from a school at which i had a pre-AALS on-campus visit. i wonder if it is from the same school and, if so, whether it might be worth communicating offline in order to coordinate a strategy for seeking an extension. do you have an anonymized email address?
Posted by: expiring anon | Nov 21, 2008 2:37:47 PM
Oregon has made callback offers.
Posted by: oregon | Nov 21, 2008 2:48:55 PM
Expiring anon -- the school is Buffalo. I am too lazy to create an anonymous e-mail address, but feel free to send yours
Posted by: stressed out | Nov 21, 2008 3:02:23 PM
Stressed out: congratulations on the Buffalo offer. When did you do your on-campus visit and what is your area?
Posted by: anon33 | Nov 21, 2008 3:12:38 PM
Temple rejection letter. Flat-out rejection (but very nice -- suggests they are addressing other needs). I did not have a callback.
Posted by: no cheesesteak for me | Nov 21, 2008 3:33:25 PM
Has anyone heard from Pace or Loyola of NO? Callbacks, rejections, time-frames, hiring freeze -- anything?
Posted by: waiting in vain? | Nov 21, 2008 3:36:15 PM
Was the Temple rejection via e-mail or US mail? I have not heard a peep from Pace.
BTW -- most of my friends on the market are doing fellowships. None of those folks care to post on this blog although they all know about it. It may be that people with fellowships have such good support networks they don't feel the need. Those folks are also usually more attractive candidates and may be the ones stacking up the callbacks.
Posted by: curious anon | Nov 21, 2008 3:53:48 PM
US mail. Received very recently.
Posted by: no cheesesteak for me | Nov 21, 2008 4:04:03 PM
Just wanted to out myself as a person with a fellowship who is eagerly posting and reading. Re: curious anon's comment, I suspect that there are varying degrees of support/openness depending on the fellowship/school. For example, I have heard that Bigelow fellows at Chicago are blessed with a go-getter faculty member who is willing and able to collect information and run interference for then (i.e., if a fellow has a couple of callbacks but really wants to be in City X, said faculty member will call the schools in City X and tell them, "Look, this candidate is really interested in you, and if you made them an offer, I'll bet they would accept pretty quickly.") I think this kind of proactive behavior is pretty unusual, though. Perhaps my advisors are doing similar things without my knowledge ... but if they are, they're certainly not telling me.
Posted by: fellowship anon | Nov 21, 2008 4:08:34 PM
UCLA rejection email received on Wednesday (pure rejection).
Posted by: disappointed anon | Nov 21, 2008 4:14:22 PM
Memphis call back in Civil Procedure/Evidence.
Posted by: anon | Nov 21, 2008 4:52:09 PM
FWIW, I also have a fellowship and am reading and posting. I've been very grateful for the support I've received, but it definitely hasn't made me omniscient about what schools are thinking and why. As for incentives to post/not post, I'd think it might be easier for fellows to post anonymously with credibility. Given the number of people (at least several) I've been sharing my callback status with, I could imagine any one of them (advisors, faculty recommenders, etc.) posting what they know to the list. My impression is both faculty and candidates have been posting to/reading this list. In any case, none of the schools I've been in touch with have asked that I keep the information to myself.
Posted by: different fellow anon | Nov 21, 2008 5:21:49 PM
Another Temple rejection letter in the mail.
Posted by: anon | Nov 21, 2008 7:16:25 PM
You can add Loyola New Orleans, Washburn, Detroit-Mercy, Charlotte, and New York Law School to the list of schools that have scheduled at least some post-AALS callbacks.
Posted by: anonona | Nov 21, 2008 7:39:28 PM
anonona:
Is your subject matter business law? (Based on the distributions of schools you mentioned, it sounds like it.) If so, can you report when (as precise as you feel comfortable being) you received the calls? And for when did they schedule the callbacks, again, approximately? Thanks!
Posted by: questioner | Nov 21, 2008 8:09:57 PM
anonona (or anyone who's heard from these schools): When did you hear from Loyola New Orleans. Same question for Washburn. Tx
Posted by: anonjdx | Nov 21, 2008 10:08:16 PM
To "stressed out": What I would try to do is ask yourself if you'd be happy at Buffalo without just thinking about whether you'd be happi-er elsewhere. At some point, virtually everyone here will have to make a decision without having yet heard from absolutely every school on his or her list.
So I would say that if you do think you'll be happy at Buffalo, then (especially in the current market), it would make sense to go for that. Also keep in mind that whatever happens, if you do good work, different options may turn up in a few years wherever you end up going.
At the end of the day, though, I think you need to go with your gut because it's a world of imperfect information. Good luck!
Posted by: anon advice | Nov 22, 2008 12:48:52 AM
Weekend aggregation. I agree with the comments of some here that our list is missing lots of information. It seemed that we had a more complete data set for the initial interview list (but then again, we were asking for less information than now and the disclosure of information gets more sensitive as one gets closer to an offer...perhaps). There are likely many, many reasons for this. But it strikes me as still useful to continue to try to collect as much as possible, and I've learned anecdotally that more and more folks are learning about this list as time goes on.
Good luck to everyone as the process starts gradually to come to a head. Hang in there.
American (health)
Baltimore (IP)
Barry U
Boston College
Boston University (offer and multiple callbacks) (health)
Brooklyn (health)
Buffalo (offer and callbacks) (property, environmental)
Capital
Cardozo (IP)
Catholic (multiple) (criminal)
Charlotte
Chicago-Kent
Cincinnati (multiple) (comparative, crim)
Cleveland-Marshall (2) (health, crim)
Colorado (environmental, property)
Cumberland (IP)
Detroit-Mercy
Drexel (multiple) (business, tax, IP)
Duke (at least one offer made, multiple callbacks)
Elon (health, IP)
Emory (multiple)
Florida (2) (family law)
Florida Coastal
FSU (multiple offers made, multiple callbacks still scheduled) (health, criminal, IP)
George Washington (multiple)
Georgia (2)
Georgia State (tax, business, criminal)
Golden Gate (multiple)
Hamline (health)
Hofstra (IP)
Houston
Indiana Bloomington
Indiana Indianapolis
Iowa (multiple) (business, tax)
John Marshall (2) (criminal, IP)
Lewis & Clark (business)
Louisville
Loyola Chicago (health)
Loyola LA
Loyola New Orelans
LSU
Maine (IP)
Maryland (multiple) (corporate, health law) (CBs through January)
Memphis (multiple) (civil procedure, evidence)
Miami (2) (offer-health and callbacks) (health, IP)
Michigan
Michigan State (IP)
Minnesota (IP)
Mississippi College (torts, health)
New York Law School
North Carolina (at least one offer made) (business, tax)
Northern Kentucky (civ pro)
Northwestern (2)
Ohio Northern
Oklahoma City U. (contracts)
Oregon (multiple)
Penn State (criminal)
Pittsburgh (tax, business) (finished with callbacks?)
Quinnipiac (2)
Roger Williams
San Diego (multiple) (business, tax, IP)
San Francisco (property, environmental)
Santa Clara (multiple callbacks) (property, environmental, criminal, IP)
St. John's (criminal)
St. Louis (2) (IP, Health)
St. Thomas (MN) (2)
Seattle (multiple) (IP)
Seton Hall (multiple) (criminal, health, environmental, property)
SMU (multiple) (environmental, property)
South Texas (done with callbacks) (business)
Stanford
Stetson (multiple)
Texas (2)
Toledo
Touro
UC Irvine (environmental, property)
UCLA (multiple) (health, IP)
USC
Utah (IP)
Villanova (3) (criminal)
Virginia (2) (health)
Wake Forest (IP)
Washburn
Wayne State (multiple) (IP, environmental, property)
West Virginia
Western State (multiple)
William & Mary (multiple)
Yale
Posted by: Pro Bono Publico | Nov 22, 2008 10:31:34 AM
Anyone hear anything about Albany or Pace?
Posted by: anon | Nov 22, 2008 10:47:54 AM
rejection letter from Cornell (no callback).
I have heard that University of Arizona-Tucson will be making callback decisions after the new year and UC Davis as well. I have heard from a couple of schools that hiring decisions will be made before the holday break.
I also have a fellowship and wanted to put in my two cents - The support network at my institution is nothing like what was posted for the Bigelow folks. I suspect that what they do is quite out of the norm. As for me, I read this post regularly and it does help to calm the nerves.
Posted by: anotherfello | Nov 22, 2008 11:18:20 AM
one more thing -- as for the math behind the callback listing .... one reason that we had so many names on the initial AALS interview agglomeration may have been because people were revealing the calls that they received for AALS interviews and not the (slimmer) list of interviews they accepted. I received calls for interviews that I did not take due to the geographical location - but listed these schools anyway when posting to this blog. This is all to say that the initial listing would naturally be longer than the listing we have here because not everyone interviewed with all the schools posted earlier.
Posted by: anotherfello | Nov 22, 2008 11:24:59 AM
Rejection outright from Capital. Sent 11/19 U.S. Mail
Posted by: a | Nov 22, 2008 2:17:31 PM
oregon: do you know what subjects the oregon callbacks were in?
Posted by: anon | Nov 22, 2008 2:54:28 PM
semi-inside info at UNC suggests that: 1) they are focusing on some senior hires right now, 2) their budget is limited, 3) with the limited budget they are looking mostly at tax people right now, 4) other areas may open up but it's likely to be a while, if at all. Don't take that as gospel, though.
Posted by: al-anon | Nov 22, 2008 3:11:50 PM
anotherfello:
Was your Cornell rejection via snail mail, and if so, approximately when did you receive it? I have not heard from them yet -- and I expect a rejection (i.e., no callback) -- but I'm a long way from Ithaca, so it's possible mine is in the mail. Still, any details you have would help.
Posted by: non expecting to hear from Big Red | Nov 22, 2008 3:26:06 PM
To repeat and extend my request to anonona:
Those who have heard from Loyola New Orleans, Washburn or Charlotte -- or Stetson or Toledo -- were these callbacks for business/tax?
Posted by: questioner | Nov 22, 2008 3:32:28 PM
T.J. wrote: For what little it's worth, for everyone wondering whether to notify schools that they have received callbacks from other institutions - don't. I know it is tempting to try to speed up the process, but it really isn't going to help at all. It may not hurt you, but with nothing to gain it isn't worth the risk.Schools are going to invite you back based on their own decision-making process, not because another school has called you back.
This is simply wrong. Wrong! I've been involved in appointments for several years now (at a top-20 school), and I know whereof I speak. Schools care a lot about a candidate's other interviews. This is a common topic in conversations: where else is s/he interviewing? does s/he have any offers? are these offers from our peer schools? To be sure, a callback from a tier-3 school won't impress a committee at Harvard, but an interview at a #30 school will impress schools #20 and below. The bandwagon effect is huge. It does help to tell people about your other interviews.
Posted by: goodluck_everybody! | Nov 22, 2008 3:35:53 PM
any word on (or from) arizona state?
Posted by: suomynona | Nov 22, 2008 3:48:51 PM
All of them are for business, and all but the New York callback came before the 14th.
Posted by: anonona | Nov 22, 2008 5:46:08 PM
Okay so let's say hypothetically I have an interview with a #30 school and there are several schools in the 15-30 range that I interviewed with at AALS and never heard back from.
Is the coventional wisdom to contact those schools and say: "Just checking in on the process --- my callback schedule is getting booked up and I wouldn't want an opportunity to interview with your school if you are interested in me." Even if one contacts schools like that, how do you slip in that your other callbacks are at good schools? Can you do the clerkship thing of "I'll be in your city interviewing with a different school in mid January ... any interest in me?"
I have had the issue of other interviews come up in conversation at my callbacks, and I see how it can speed up decision making on your candidacy post callback, but I am not sure how it gets you a callback in the first place.
I only had one school bold enough to ask me what their competition was. And one schools that said "I assume you are interviewing with X,Y, and Z schools." They were only partially correct (X and Y but not Z), but I didn't correct them.
Posted by: it's hard to be patient | Nov 22, 2008 5:49:03 PM
goodluck_everybody!
Are you suggesting it makes sense to affirmatively shop a top callback....or would you wait to be asked?
Posted by: waiting and nervous | Nov 22, 2008 6:30:18 PM
goodluck_everybody!'s refernece to the "bandwagon effect" suggests how the process can repeatedly drift between being substantive and being vapid. Call me a purist, but as I do my callbacks I don't plan on addressing how much the cool kids on the playground like me.
Posted by: anonymousx | Nov 22, 2008 7:40:12 PM
Fordham rejection letter received today (no callback).
Posted by: anon | Nov 22, 2008 8:48:37 PM
Rejection letter in the U.S. mail from Lewis & Clark. No callback.
However, they did warn me when I scheduled the AALS interview that they probably would *not* hire in my field this year, but thought they'd interview me "just in case." Guess I didn't impress them enough to get over that hurdle.
Posted by: enviro anon | Nov 22, 2008 9:48:24 PM
A couple of responses:
Are you suggesting it makes sense to affirmatively shop a top callback....or would you wait to be asked?
Yes! This act isn't nearly as obnoxious as it may feel to an overstressed candidate. Just call in, express--again--your interest in school X, tell how excited you were to have interviewed with X at the AALS, and then say that you already have a callback at school Y. Your comment re callback should be completely clear--you can even tell the date of your callback, so that the committee at X will have some sense of your schedule. Exploding offers are now become more and more common, at least at the top of the food chain, so such info is entirely appropriate.
goodluck_everybody!'s refernece to the "bandwagon effect" suggests how the process can repeatedly drift between being substantive and being vapid. Call me a purist, but as I do my callbacks I don't plan on addressing how much the cool kids on the playground like me.
Sure, you can do that. Or you can grow up and understand that in a world of limited resources, time of committee members is both scarce and valuable. In such imperfect real world, people often rely on market reputations and on evaluations done by others. A callback at school X won't get you a job at school Y, but it may convince school Y to spend its scarce time evaluating you in serious detail. The system is far from perfect, but it's not entirely bizarre either.
Posted by: goodluck_everybody! | Nov 22, 2008 10:13:54 PM
In a prior response, I meant -- yes, you should affirmatively shop your top callback. This is not embarrassing.
Even if one contacts schools like that, how do you slip in that your other callbacks are at good schools? Can you do the clerkship thing of "I'll be in your city interviewing with a different school in mid January ... any interest in me?"
No, don't do weird cutesey things like "I'm in your town anyway." The key cost of your visit is not your plane ticket, but faculty time. Entry-level hires take a serious toll on the faculty. After 5 or 6 job talks, office interviews, dinners etc., most faculty members simply burn out. Just tell the committee politely but clearly that you received interest from another school.
And one schools that said "I assume you are interviewing with X,Y, and Z schools." They were only partially correct (X and Y but not Z), but I didn't correct them.
I don't think mildly misleading behavior is wise. Committee members routinely talk to committee members of peer schools, so the fact that interviewers don't ask you where else you have callbacks may simply mean they already know. If you give them an erroneous impression of an interview elsewhere, and this will later turn out to be false, committee members won't remember how exactly they learned from you the wrong info. They'll just remember you lied.
Posted by: goodluck_everybody! | Nov 22, 2008 10:29:54 PM
Certainly true, goodluck_everybody!, that there is an obvious validating effect based on a candidate's demand. I also see how informing a school of your deadlines and plans makes absolute sense. But doing that on the callback itself? I just don't want to be the meal that gets sent back if too few people order me. I really appreciate your perspective, the sea of candidates involved in any individual decision and thank you for your advice. For now I'll just cross my fingers and hope that I make for a good meal.
Posted by: anonymousx | Nov 22, 2008 10:58:41 PM
syracuse, anyone?
Posted by: anon | Nov 22, 2008 11:25:23 PM
Nwanon: Oregon has had several callbacks.
Posted by: anon | Nov 23, 2008 11:09:45 AM
what subjects at oregon?
Posted by: swanon | Nov 23, 2008 12:12:21 PM
to non expecting to hear about big red:
About Cornell...I received notice from a faculty member that I know that I will not be receiving a callback and that the letters will be snail mailed this coming week.
to enviro anon:
About Lewis & Clark...I have heard that they are on a fast track to bring in business people. Beyond that, they don't know if they will have a slot for anything else - and there are prioritized areas after that. The fact that they didn't call you back does not mean that they truly did not like you - they are very focused this year based on specific needs.
Posted by: anotherfello | Nov 23, 2008 2:02:19 PM
For what it's worth, I also have not heard a word from Pace.
Posted by: anon | Nov 23, 2008 3:55:02 PM
General request- anyone hear anything from schools not on the master list that your willing to share?
Posted by: superanon | Nov 23, 2008 4:36:25 PM
superanon:
I feel like these requests are most effective when you ask about specific schools. Of course, we all would appreciate any and all information, though!
Posted by: Anon17 | Nov 23, 2008 4:52:49 PM
I know Illinois has given out several callbacks, which doesn't seem to have made the list yet.
Posted by: anon-yes | Nov 23, 2008 5:11:56 PM
Any word from Illinois?
Posted by: anon76 | Nov 23, 2008 5:18:26 PM
Schools I wonder about that no one has mentioned: Syracuse, Pace, Case Western, Wyoming, ASU
Posted by: random anon | Nov 23, 2008 5:36:18 PM
Wondering about any word on Appalachian
Posted by: anon | Nov 23, 2008 5:42:43 PM
To "another anon" at 2:02:19 PM:
Do you know how many positions Lewis & Clark is trying to fill in business? And how many candidates have they called back for each position? I indeed have a callback from them, but am curious about my chances.
Posted by: anon | Nov 23, 2008 6:21:03 PM
To random anon: Case Western has made at least one callback in corporate.
Posted by: anon | Nov 23, 2008 6:27:20 PM
I went on a callback at Lewis & Clark. It sounds like they have 2 positions in business. Depending whether or not they fill these, they may open it up to other areas. In any event, they are on a fast track for their busines hires and candidates are expected to hear early Dec.
Posted by: anotherfello | Nov 23, 2008 8:07:09 PM
Has anyone heard from UC-Davis, or University of Arizona?
Posted by: anon | Nov 23, 2008 8:09:22 PM
Any word on Tennessee?
Posted by: TNAnon | Nov 23, 2008 8:20:04 PM
List of schools where info is requested, gathered recent posts.
Syracuse
Pace
Case Western
Wyoming
ASU
Appalachian
UC-Davis
U of Arizona
Tennessee
Posted by: listmaker | Nov 23, 2008 8:38:14 PM
This was posted earlier by anotherfello:
I have heard that University of Arizona-Tucson will be making callback decisions after the new year and UC Davis as well.
Posted by: random anon | Nov 23, 2008 8:42:00 PM
anotherfello: Do you know how many callbacks Lewis & Clark has made for the 2 positions?
Posted by: anon | Nov 23, 2008 10:22:36 PM
Still no information on Ohio State, either?
Posted by: anon | Nov 23, 2008 11:02:52 PM
anon: I am thinking 5 candidates (which is good odds for us!).
Posted by: anotherfello | Nov 23, 2008 11:05:00 PM
Add Berkeley to the call back list
Posted by: yet anotherfello | Nov 23, 2008 11:22:36 PM
goodluck_everybody!: I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I have seen little evidence that apprising a school of other callbacks does any good. In any event, any suggestion that there is one right or wrong answer to this question is - of course - absurd.
Posted by: T.J. | Nov 24, 2008 10:31:50 AM
Notre Dame -- two callbacks (comparative public law, law & economics).
Posted by: Rick Garnett | Nov 24, 2008 10:51:31 AM
Has anyone received a Brooklyn or Georgetown call-back since 11/19?
Posted by: anon | Nov 24, 2008 10:57:56 AM
And does anyone know the status of the Brooklyn health law search? Someone posted a Brooklyn health law callback a while ago, but I'm still waiting to hear anything back from them, good or bad.
Posted by: anon | Nov 24, 2008 11:06:50 AM
Anyone know what the callback subject was at Detroit?
Posted by: anon | Nov 24, 2008 11:08:47 AM
rejection from syracuse, and they apparently have made at least one callback...
Posted by: anon | Nov 24, 2008 2:49:20 PM
A callback at Southern Illinois. B list ("we are still evaluating") at CUNY and Ohio Northern.
Posted by: Grateful for one anon | Nov 24, 2008 5:40:58 PM
Anyone knwo of any callbacks at Elon *non* for health or IP?
Posted by: elonanon | Nov 24, 2008 6:26:07 PM
Eek. Reading all these questions (some of which I myself posted!), I can almost smell the desperation in the air. I wonder whether maybe we should focus once again on posting specific information ("Callback in tax law at Harvard") and questions about the logistics of the process ("How long after a callback should I expect to hear whether I got an offer?"), rather than posting open-ended questions about specific schools ("Anyone know whether Cornell has made any offers?"). Presumably, if someone reading this thread knew that Cornell had made an offer, that information would have already been posted, right? Anyone else have any thoughts on this?
Posted by: anon | Nov 24, 2008 6:44:21 PM
Tennessee has made callbacks -- A colleague of mine has a callback interview there.
Posted by: AnonFriend | Nov 24, 2008 6:49:29 PM
So, for salary information, one can glean some useful information from the database that is now searchable thanks to the Orange County Register:
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/salary-uc-irvine-2238213-employees-pay
It includes 2007 salaries on prawfs at all the UC Schools (except Hastings it appears). The UC salaries (at least for Berkeley and UCLA) are good benchmarks for those with offers in the top 20.
Posted by: anon | Nov 24, 2008 9:54:43 PM
The reason it might make sense to ask about specific schools here is that some people might not be willing to post all the information they have, but might help out a brother in need of specific knowledge.
Posted by: anon | Nov 25, 2008 10:45:56 AM
To echo the above anon's request with my own request for specific information at Cornell: Does anyone know how many positions Cornell is trying to fill and how many callbacks has it issued? And when do they expect to make offers?
Posted by: another_anon | Nov 25, 2008 10:55:35 AM
What about Buffalo--anyone knows? How many positions are there and how many offers have been made?
Posted by: waiting | Nov 25, 2008 11:07:17 AM
I am getting the sense that some schools do not believe they can complete their callbacks before break (due to the lateness of the AALS conference this year, as discussed above), and therefore, they are not making all of their calls before the break. Several schools who have been in contact with me informally implied as much. If so, that would be a good sign for all of us who are worried, because perhaps fewer callbacks have been made before the break this year.
On the other hand, it could just be that the economy is in the crapper, and nobody's going to hire after the break, either. Just great.
Posted by: Hmmmm | Nov 25, 2008 1:06:21 PM
Another idea: We may be at the beginning of a sea change in legal hiring. With an ever-expanding number of schools hiring VAPs and creating post-doc fellowships, and with the economy "in the crapper," schools may be moving away from permanent hires -- or, they may be altering their mix of tenure-track hires as opposed to temporary, full-time hires. (If VAPs are cheaper labor than tenured faculty, and yet they still count as "full time" hires to boost those US News rankings, why keep putting people on the tenure track? Especially if great candidates are available every year to hire as VAPs? And the same could be said for fellows, I suppose...)
So, what we may be seeing is that the super stars among us (you know who you are) will end up with most of the callbacks and offers. And those of us who are just solid candidates (like me) will, for the short term, still obtain many initial interviews (because we're filling out a dance card that remains the same size as ever) -- but few callbacks. Then, eventually, schools will cut back their meetings at AALS from two days to one, and everyone will have a VAP and/or fellowship program -- and the resume requirements for a tenure-track job will keep rising.
In a way, this is similar to the story of the profession in the last decade or so: Many who entered the profession ten and even five years ago have told me that they have no doubt that they could not obtain jobs today based on their credentials when they went "on the market."
Sorry if this is depressing, but I felt I ought to throw this out there.
Posted by: Food for thought | Nov 25, 2008 1:16:34 PM
Yes, depressing. But I appreciate your honesty, Food for thought. Now if only there were a clear way to figure out whether I'm a "super star" or merely a "solid candidate" ...
In similarly depressing news, I understand that Houston is not going to be able to fill its advertised health law opening this year (due, apparently, to changing financial priorities). Just an FYI for you health law folks.
Posted by: anon | Nov 25, 2008 1:57:53 PM
I think this winner-take-all market largely makes those determinations for us. 5+ callbacks? Likely superstar. Scraping by for one or two? Definitely a solid candidate, but no chance you're in the superstar category. (Unless, of course, things change and you get a bunch more in January!) The tough one to call is when you have 3-4 callbacks. That's a good load, and the odds are you'll get a job, based on the number of jobs available per callback in past years. But experience teaches that even 3-4 callbacks is no lock on a job. Which sucks.
Imagine spending 3-4 2-day trips to various schools around the country (some of them in Podunkville, so there are no direct flights)...and yet, those faculties decide to pass on you (and perhaps all of this year's candidates...they are in no rush to hire, you find out). Ugh!
On the other hand, we're all trying to obtain (what many of us view as) the greatest job in the world -- and most of us are passing up the chance at much larger salaries at other (more mundane) jobs. So obviously, even the losers in this market (like, perhaps, me) need to retain some perspective. A lot of people are doing much, much worse.
Posted by: Food for thought | Nov 25, 2008 2:38:19 PM
Has anyone heard whether UPenn is hiring this year? From what I understand they only did very limited interviews at AALS, so I wonder whether there have been any call backs. And if so, in what areas?
Posted by: curiousanon | Nov 25, 2008 2:59:32 PM
I'm aware of one callback at UPenn, but I didn't hear if it was in a specific area.
Posted by: anon | Nov 25, 2008 3:32:05 PM
Based on the conflicting advice given above, I picked one school off my list that I hadn't heard from yet who was listed as giving at least one call back. I felt my interview with this school went quite well and I had a good rapport with the hiring chair, so I sent her an e-mail asking where they are at in the process. I indicated that I already had other callbacks and an offer, but was still hoping to get a chance to meet with them...
The result... within 12 hours a very nice reply explaining that economic hard times means that they do not know how many people they are going to hire any more and they don't foresee making callback decisions before next year. I would not be surprised if this was true for many schools. Perhaps the earlier posted callback was a pre-AALS endeavor or just in a different field.
Also, I doubt faculty will want to waste time interviewing people when they don't have positions. I would guess most schools would want more certainty before lining up too many callbacks. It is a waste of their time and resources to do callbacks without being able to hire.
Posted by: random anon | Nov 25, 2008 4:42:00 PM
Wyoming (international/ IP)
Posted by: Anon | Nov 25, 2008 5:00:21 PM
We need a list of school's who have either instituted a hiring freeze or who have cut back on or are questioning their open positions.
Posted by: Suggestion | Nov 25, 2008 5:27:17 PM
I am curious about how people balance multiple callbacks/offers. In particular, if you have a time-limited offer (say 10 days or 2 weeks) at one school and upcoming interviews at other schools outside the offer window, what do you do?
Posted by: Balancing | Nov 25, 2008 6:34:16 PM
FWIW, several schools I interviewed with said that their committees would be meeting in mid-December and offers would start getting handed out right away (with the possibility of later offers, if the first round of picks didn't pan out). This includes Houston, Cardozo and Hofstra. Other schools (San Diego, Wake Forest) told me that they would wait until January. It seems like the poor economy is leading some schools to make early offers to prevent funding from being yanked. Also, some schools that were doing subject-specific searches noted that the time frames might be different for, say, an IP person versus a crim person, based on when the relevant interviews were scheduled.
Posted by: anon99 | Nov 25, 2008 10:03:09 PM
I interviewed at L&Clark in health and got a snail mail letter saying they weren't going to interview me further. Did anyone get a health interview?
Posted by: anon lateral | Nov 26, 2008 3:49:37 AM
anon lateral: I interviewed with Lewis and Clark at AALS for health law, and haven't heard anything from them since (good or bad).
balancing: Assuming this school isn't among your top choices (otherwise, presumably, you wouldn't be asking us!), I'd explain that you've got more callbacks coming up, and that you would be reluctant to make a decision without even having seen those other schools - in other words, ask for more time, but explain why you need it. Also, see if you can figure out why they are making you such a short offer -- is it because they absolutely need to hire a tax law person this year, and you are their top choice, but they don't want to miss out on other candidates if you say no? That's totally legit. If, on the other hand, they're planning to hire a bunch of people, they don't have curriculum-specific needs, and they're pushing the deadline only because they think they wouldn't otherwise have a shot at you, then they should be a bit more flexible about the timing if you explain your concerns. In that case, if they won't budge ... well, then I'd think about whether you really want to be playing ball with these folks for the next couple of years.
Posted by: anon | Nov 26, 2008 9:19:47 AM
Is it too soon to start asking people who have already accepted offers to identify themselves (or, at the very least, their research area)?
Posted by: anon | Nov 26, 2008 9:55:48 AM
to anon lateral and anon:
about L&Clark -- I had a callback there in business law. I was told that they have two curricular needs -- torts and business law. They are looking to fill 1-2 positions in business law first; after that, they turn to torts and then, if there is still a slot, they will see if they can hire other fields. This is all that I know.
as far as timing -- My impression from 4 callbacks I've been on is that 3 out of 4 schools are making offers before the break. I have other AALS interviews that I never heard back from, some are on the list that is circulating (so not chance there), and the others are not. I have heard from only one school (Wake Forest) that the economic situation may alter their plans on hiring. Other schools I've appear to be on solid footing (L&Clark, Georgia, American).
Posted by: anotherfello | Nov 26, 2008 11:47:36 AM
To anon lateral: I also interviewed with L&C at AALS for a health law position and got a snail mail rejection letter. From anotherfello's post, it sounds like they're probably not doing health law callbacks. Perhaps they've convinced their visiting health law professor to stay on another year?
Posted by: anon health re: L&C | Nov 26, 2008 1:14:35 PM
Syracuse: I interviewed with them at AALS. At this point, I have not been called back by them, but neither have I received a rejection letter (but, perhaps, that will be in today's mail!).
Posted by: anon | Nov 26, 2008 2:27:45 PM
I also had AALS an interview from Syracuse and havem't heard nothing from them . This is also true for Cornell and Fordham even though other folks noted having received rjection letters. I am assuming folks are getting these via snail mail. As a left coaster, I was guessing they are just still in the mail.
Posted by: enviro anon | Nov 26, 2008 2:47:49 PM
enriro anon: Cornell is mailing out rejection letters this week.
Posted by: anotherfello | Nov 26, 2008 4:18:59 PM
I just learned a lot about Buffalo's process, but don't want to get into the details on this blawg. If you have interviewed/will be interviewing with Buffalo feel free to e-mail me and I'll give you the skinny.
prospectiveprof@live.com
Posted by: anon | Nov 26, 2008 5:41:37 PM
To add to the call back list, Whittier and Northern Illinois. Wyoming's interviewing well into January but making call back offers now. An update on Oregon is that they've made three offers, ADR, con law and IP. Only the ADR one has been accepted at this point (as far as I know).
While reading all of the information here makes me cringe, it's been really helpful, so thank you to everyone who is posting.
Posted by: calanon | Nov 27, 2008 1:03:13 AM
Thank you to all for the L & Clark info.
They told me at the interview they had not made any decision about what they wanted to do in health law--they had a senior person who would be visiting on a regular basis in the spring and were going to hire a consultant to decide what to do next. It made me wonder why I was there! I don't enjoy anyone else's lack of success, but the information I've gotten at least makes me feel less like I blew the interview and more like they really are waiting on health law. Good luck to everyone.
Posted by: anon lateral | Nov 27, 2008 1:37:25 AM
rejections from Duke, UCLA, and Irvine.
Posted by: blahblah | Nov 27, 2008 1:08:28 PM
Did Irvine interview at the FRC? Have they made any callbacks. I just recently saw their 11/21 ad in the Chronicle, and so I thought -- stupidly, perhaps -- that these were new positions. I even considered using their on-line system to apply. But if they interviewing people like everyone else, I see no reason to apply. Any thoughts?
Posted by: Interested in Irvine | Nov 27, 2008 5:19:26 PM
Fordham called last week to let me know that while I was still under consideration, my application would not be considered until spring. I take this to mean I'm on the backup list. My research area is IP.
Posted by: anon99 | Nov 27, 2008 6:22:21 PM
To Interested in Irvine: I interviewed with Irvine at FRC. According to the list, they've made callbacks (I received a rejection right after the conference).
Posted by: anon99 | Nov 27, 2008 6:25:45 PM
Sorry, I did not even look at the callback list. I wonder why they'd advertise in the Chronicle in November if they already went to the FRC? Oh well, I'll assume that's not going anywhere, then.
Posted by: Interested in Irvine | Nov 27, 2008 9:02:24 PM
Georgetown and UC-Berkeley can be added to the "callback" list.
Thanks to everyone who is posting. Good luck!
Posted by: anon | Nov 28, 2008 2:38:28 PM
Today I received a rejection letter from Yale, although I had NOT interviewed with them...
Posted by: Slightly amused anon | Nov 29, 2008 9:20:10 PM
Aggregation to start the week. Hopefully the callbacks will still be coming in. I think our list is starting to look a little more complete, though far from optimal. Thanks for everyone's postings, inquiries, and so on. Also, I haven't seen that many offers posted here. Curious about whether this means that there are few offers extended to date, or whether folks with offers are keeping it to themselves. At all events, please post your offers if you feel comfortable doing so, and please clean up any omissions/errors in the list.
American (health)
Baltimore (IP)
Barry U
Boston College
Boston University (offer and multiple callbacks) (health)
Brooklyn (health)
Buffalo (offer and callbacks) (property, environmental)
Capital
Cardozo (IP)
Case Western
Catholic (multiple, more scheduled) (criminal)
Charlotte
Chicago-Kent
Cincinnati (multiple) (comparative, crim)
Cleveland-Marshall (2) (health, crim)
Colorado (environmental, property)
Cumberland (IP)
CUNY (B-list letter)
Detroit-Mercy
Drexel (multiple) (business, tax, IP)
Duke (at least one offer made, multiple callbacks)
Elon (health, IP)
Emory (multiple)
Florida (2) (family law)
Florida Coastal
FSU (multiple offers made, multiple callbacks still scheduled) (health, criminal, IP)
Georgetown
George Washington (multiple)
Georgia (2)
Georgia State (tax, business, criminal)
Golden Gate (multiple)
Hamline (health)
Hofstra (IP)
Houston
Illinois
Indiana Bloomington
Indiana Indianapolis
Iowa (multiple) (business, tax)
John Marshall (2) (criminal, IP)
Lewis & Clark (multiple) (business, torts)
Louisville
Loyola Chicago (health)
Loyola LA
Loyola New Orelans
LSU
Maine (IP)
Maryland (multiple) (corporate, health law) (CBs through January)
Memphis (multiple) (civil procedure, evidence)
Miami (2) (offer-health and callbacks) (health, IP)
Michigan
Michigan State (IP)
Minnesota (IP)
Mississippi College (torts, health)
New York Law School
North Carolina (at least one offer made) (business, tax)
Northern Kentucky (civ pro)
Northern Illinois
Northwestern (2)
Notre Dame (2) (comparative public law, law & economics)
Ohio Northern
Oklahoma City U. (contracts)
Oregon (multiple) (offers in con law, ADR (accepted), and IP)
Penn State (criminal)
Pennsylvania
Pittsburgh (tax, business) (finished with callbacks?)
Quinnipiac (2)
Roger Williams
San Diego (multiple) (business, tax, IP)
San Francisco (property, environmental)
Santa Clara (multiple callbacks) (property, environmental, criminal, IP)
St. John's (criminal)
St. Louis (2) (IP, Health)
St. Thomas (MN) (2)
Seattle (multiple) (IP)
Seton Hall (multiple) (criminal, health, environmental, property)
SMU (multiple) (environmental, property)
South Texas (done with callbacks) (business)
Southern Illinois
Stanford
Stetson (multiple)
Syracuse
Tennessee (multiple)
Texas (2)
Toledo
Touro
UC-Berkeley
UC Irvine (environmental, property)
UCLA (multiple) (health, IP)
USC
Utah (IP)
Villanova (3) (criminal)
Virginia (2) (health)
Wake Forest (IP)
Washburn
Wayne State (multiple) (IP, environmental, property)
West Virginia
Western State (multiple)
Whittier
William & Mary (multiple)
Wyoming (international, IP)
Yale
Posted by: Pro Bono Publico | Nov 30, 2008 10:47:54 AM
Temple should be on that list. I know they've done at least one callback.
Posted by: anon | Nov 30, 2008 5:14:34 PM